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Did some of us start this way? :)

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Tim Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course, I avow to it on my website. ;-)

Tim
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Some of you may get something out of this.


Did I hear that right?

"...an extreme intuition about of all things mechanical and electrical
and....utter social ineptitude."

I started with the 75 in 1 Radio Shack electronics kit.

Now I can't see the tiny parts, my circuits 'blow up' graphically in
spice, my test equipment is not fast enough and I still find
everything difficult. :p


D from BC
 
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Dave

Jan 1, 1970
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D from BC said:
Did I hear that right?

"...an extreme intuition about of all things mechanical and electrical
and....utter social ineptitude."

I started with the 75 in 1 Radio Shack electronics kit.

Now I can't see the tiny parts, my circuits 'blow up' graphically in
spice, my test equipment is not fast enough and I still find
everything difficult. :p


D from BC

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a 101 in 1 electronics starter kit for my birthday,
when I was 13 and the damn thing was broken to start with. But it gave me
parts to play with. Ended up raiding the junk pile behind a TV rapair shop
for more parts, and building whatever hit my interest. Got a job with a
major competitor with Big Blue a year out of high school, and made my
reputation for finding weird bugs and always having the last of whatever
small part it was someone wanted in my toolkit. During one meeting on
cutting Code A costs (for overnight shipping of parts), my boss actually
told everyone that if they needed a B-list item (counted by the handfull) to
get a machine up and running but there weren't any in stock, "Call Dave.
He'll have it."

Yeah, I got spanked for taking the phone apart. And if they had let me put
it back together it would have saved them a pretty penny.

Love the video. Thanks.

Dave
 
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JosephKK

Jan 1, 1970
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Dave [email protected] posted to sci.electronics.design:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a 101 in 1 electronics starter kit for my
birthday,
when I was 13 and the damn thing was broken to start with. But it
gave me parts to play with. Ended up raiding the junk pile behind a
TV rapair shop
for more parts, and building whatever hit my interest. Got a job
with a major competitor with Big Blue a year out of high school, and
made my reputation for finding weird bugs and always having the last
of whatever
small part it was someone wanted in my toolkit. During one meeting
on cutting Code A costs (for overnight shipping of parts), my boss
actually told everyone that if they needed a B-list item (counted by
the handfull) to get a machine up and running but there weren't any
in stock, "Call Dave. He'll have it."

Yeah, I got spanked for taking the phone apart. And if they had let
me put it back together it would have saved them a pretty penny.

Love the video. Thanks.

Dave

I think i got started at about 6, i was reassembling clocks that ran
correctly or even kept correct backwards time when i was 8. I got my
101 in 1 kit with a tube when i was 10 for christmas, i was already a
gonner by then.
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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Some of you may get something out of this.


I saw a math for kids article on how to make a half-adder out of
relays, and I already knew how to make a relay from a dry-cell
battery, and some scraps of metal, wood, and wire. I started
designing an electric adding machine which morphed eventually into a
Tic-Tac-Toe game machine. The whole project came to a hlat when I
realized that my design req
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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I saw a math for kids article on how to make a half-adder out of
relays, and I already knew how to make a relay from a dry-cell
battery, and some scraps of metal, wood, and wire. I started
designing an electric adding machine which morphed eventually into a
Tic-Tac-Toe game machine. The whole project came to a hlat when I
realized that my design req

(I don't even know what key I hit to do the send in middle of typing
command. I hate google groups. I'm going back to my other reader,
even if it doesn't include sci.physics)

Back to what I was typing when I so rudely interrupted myself: The
whole project came to a halt when I relaized that my design would need
a dry cell battery at every relay.

As
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard said:
(I don't even know what key I hit to do the send in middle of typing
command. I hate google groups. I'm going back to my other reader,
even if it doesn't include sci.physics)

Back to what I was typing when I so rudely interrupted myself: The
whole project came to a halt when I relaized that my design would need
a dry cell battery at every relay.

As

Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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[snip]
Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...

Maybe in Virginia. When I had a garage fire a few years ago... dumb
painter dumped oily rags into a garbage can... it could be measured in
seconds between the neighbors pounding on the front door... "we called
9-1-1"... and their arrival.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Ken S. Tucker

Jan 1, 1970
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Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...

Well I can certainly inderstand Mr. Henry's Frostwastion ;-).

I lucked out as a brat. My Old Boy worked for Pitney Bowes,
and got the side nifty job of scrapping trade-ins. Well most
trade-in's were good stuff, but, you know the salesmen,
selling too many trade-ins screws commissions, anyway,
he'd pack-rat lot's of goodies in his basement, yummy.
It was mostly 120Vac electrical stuff.

At 15, got a summer job doing PA systems and TV towers,
for a TV store in 1968, in those days servicing was a big
business. Man was I dumb, lookin' in the back of TV sets
with a gazillion do-dads and not knowing what they did,
so I set out to learn how they all worked, and then got
"addicted".
Damn, what is this, Electronic Designers Anonymous.
Regards
Ken
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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At 15, got a summer job doing PA systems and TV towers,
for a TV store in 1968, in those days servicing was a big
business. Man was I dumb, lookin' in the back of TV sets
with a gazillion do-dads and not knowing what they did,
so I set out to learn how they all worked, and then got
"addicted".
Damn, what is this, Electronic Designers Anonymous.
Regards
Ken

I started I dunno how, connecting some headphones to
the radio in the livingroom... then this book:
http://www.antiqbook.be/boox/pro/167947_337F.shtml
'Zo werkt de radio' = 'That is how radio works', by E Aisberg.
Maybe I was 5 or six, immediately followed by 'Zo werkt de TV' =
'That is how television works', from the same author.
His books are incredible, he would just explain things in
a simple way with electrons, getting quite advanced too.
Sure in a way his way of thinking set mine, in those early years.
Then I started gathering stuff and build a receiver, radio
transmitter, maybe at 8.
Then not much with electronics, wanted to be a jet pilot... that did not
happen (humanity was saved) and then, was mysteriously drawn to TV again,
ended up working there.
But E. Aisberg's book must have somehow layed the foundation.
Those books are absolutely still worth reading, note that one the 12th unchanged print!
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
Some of you may get something out of this.

Nice. That's me in the 1960's.

I learned electronics by dumpster diving for dead radio and TV chassis
from the back of TV repair shops and the local radio supply houses
(Henry Radio in Smog Angeles). I would cannibalize the parts, build
something that never worked, and drag it to the skool electronics shop
to get some help with the troubleshooting. Transformers were too
heavy to take on the bus, so AC-DC transformerless designs were my
favorite. The electronics shop instructor said I was destined for
great things, if I survived my own contrivances. I eventually
understood what he meant when I punched myself in the eye due to yet
another electric shock. Everyone assumed I had been in a fight and
therefore didn't bother asking for details. My reputation was saved.

Roll forward about 40 years, and little has changed. I'm still
dumpster diving, buying electronic carcasses on eBay, and dragging
them to the office to fix. Some people bring home stray cats and
dogs. I bring home dead electronics. It's the life of a compulsive
repairman.

The relatives and neighbors have also figured out I have the knack.
Fixing appliances, machinery, vehicles, and of course, computahs, is
epidemic. A few days out of the hospital, and I have customers
demanding I show up (dead or alive) to fix their computahs. My
ladyfriend of the month usually has me do some major repairs before
each date. Conversations at parties invariably degenerates into free
advice on keeping Windoze alive.

Drivel: When I was in the hospital in 2002 getting an inside plumbing
job, a group of rather cute nurses were getting instruction on how to
operate a new echocardiogram machine. It was apparently a class, with
me as the designated victim. They were having some trouble
understanding what was happening, so I explained how it works, what
the controls do, what to adjust for the best image, and the meaning of
the various controls and buzzwords. The result was me giving a 15
minute lecture while in bed.
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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[snip]
Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...

Maybe in Virginia. When I had a garage fire a few years ago... dumb
painter dumped oily rags into a garbage can... it could be measured in
seconds between the neighbors pounding on the front door... "we called
9-1-1"... and their arrival.

...Jim Thompson

A couple of decades ago a small shopping center burned to the ground in my
community, in part because no one called the fire in until it was well
under way.

My dad was the officer in charge -- he got to be the one to make the call
to pull all the firefighters out* and just protect exposures.

Afterwards, one of the neighbors said "what took you guys so long?!? We
watched smoke come out of that thing for over half an hour before you
showed up (the place is less than a block from the substation with the 1st
responding engine). When asked "so, when did _you_ call 911?" they shut
up pretty fast...

* It had some constructional features that would have killed a few
firefighters, else.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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[snip]
Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...

Maybe in Virginia. When I had a garage fire a few years ago... dumb
painter dumped oily rags into a garbage can... it could be measured in
seconds between the neighbors pounding on the front door... "we called
9-1-1"... and their arrival.

...Jim Thompson

A couple of decades ago a small shopping center burned to the ground in my
community, in part because no one called the fire in until it was well
under way.

My dad was the officer in charge -- he got to be the one to make the call
to pull all the firefighters out* and just protect exposures.

Afterwards, one of the neighbors said "what took you guys so long?!? We
watched smoke come out of that thing for over half an hour before you
showed up (the place is less than a block from the substation with the 1st
responding engine). When asked "so, when did _you_ call 911?" they shut
up pretty fast...

* It had some constructional features that would have killed a few
firefighters, else.

ALL firefighters in Phoenix are required to have EMT training. Plus
the larger stations have a dedicated EMT van.

It can literally bring tears to you eyes to watch these guys in
action... remarkable dedication and bravery!

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:17:52 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"

[snip]
I lucked out as a brat. My Old Boy worked for Pitney Bowes,
and got the side nifty job of scrapping trade-ins. Well most
trade-in's were good stuff, but, you know the salesmen,
selling too many trade-ins screws commissions, anyway,
he'd pack-rat lot's of goodies in his basement, yummy.
It was mostly 120Vac electrical stuff.

At 15, got a summer job doing PA systems and TV towers,
for a TV store in 1968, in those days servicing was a big
business. Man was I dumb, lookin' in the back of TV sets
with a gazillion do-dads and not knowing what they did,
so I set out to learn how they all worked, and then got
"addicted".
Damn, what is this, Electronic Designers Anonymous.
Regards
Ken

I was fortunate enough to grow up in my father's radio and TV repair
shop, plus he provided me an account at the parts wholesaler, so I had
almost anything my heart desired ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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radiosrfun

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson said:
[snip]

Geezz...you may be in the process of a stroke...call 911, take an
aspirin, and wait the 90 minutes it takes them to arrive...

Maybe in Virginia. When I had a garage fire a few years ago... dumb
painter dumped oily rags into a garbage can... it could be measured in
seconds between the neighbors pounding on the front door... "we called
9-1-1"... and their arrival.

...Jim Thompson

A couple of decades ago a small shopping center burned to the ground in my
community, in part because no one called the fire in until it was well
under way.

My dad was the officer in charge -- he got to be the one to make the call
to pull all the firefighters out* and just protect exposures.

Afterwards, one of the neighbors said "what took you guys so long?!? We
watched smoke come out of that thing for over half an hour before you
showed up (the place is less than a block from the substation with the 1st
responding engine). When asked "so, when did _you_ call 911?" they shut
up pretty fast...

* It had some constructional features that would have killed a few
firefighters, else.

ALL firefighters in Phoenix are required to have EMT training. Plus
the larger stations have a dedicated EMT van.

It can literally bring tears to you eyes to watch these guys in
action... remarkable dedication and bravery!

...Jim Thompson
-- America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave

OK - some things here touched home. I reply out of direct knowledge.

Being involved in the Public Safety arena - I can tell you - there are some
stupid people out there. One example is - there was an Accident. The 911
system has been in effect for awhile - yet the caller reporting the
accident - called a phone number and left a message on an answering machine
of the Volunteer Fire Station - which also states at the beginning of the
message - if this is an Emergency - please hang up now and dial 911. Then,
they bitched about why no one showed up. DUH!

Our stations here - "Volunteer" - have an engine out the door in 4 minutes
or less. That's not bad - considering you have to drop what you're doing at
home/outside to respond. This area is "all" volunteer.

In an Emergency, time "seems" to drag - when waiting for an Ambulance,
Police or Fire. I know - I can be at our station waiting for a crew - my
bunker gear already on - and it seems to take forever - but in reality it
doesn't.

You have people who ARE overloading the system. We get calls for EMS runs
for Blisters on one's butt, Diarrhea, stoved toes, etc. NOW - while we're
out attending those people - and someone is having a "life threatening"
emergency - guess what? Our response time is greatly hampered. People all
consider "their" issue - an "emergency". Yes - to them - it "is". Many get
too excited and don't rationalize things out. Contrary to that - I've also
seen those who "should" have called the EMS and insisted to ignore the
symptoms - and end up in dire condition.

As one example - Diarrhea - it "can" be a problem - IF they've had it for a
couple days and other issues involved - leading to Dehydration... But most
people with flu or other issues where Diarrhea starts - it usually subsides
and no problems - resulting. The call often states - started this am - or
sudden onset. That is not in itself - an emergency. Probably a virus or
something you ate. Usually you don't die from it and don't require immediate
care.
It is these types of calls - overloading the system - the hospital being a
good 15 minutes away - it takes an EMS unit out of service for someone who
may actually need it.

Some parts of this area - are remote - so if you're way out in the boonies -
it will take time. The roads are windy and if in winter - snow or ice on
roads - we can't take a chance of killing ourselves or others to respond.
Most of the fires we've "lost" - were out in the middle of no-where - with
little water- aside that on the engines responding. The tankers in outter
areas also take time to get there. A garage burned to the ground just last
winter. We had a sudden snow storm and it laid a lot of snow down - FAST.
The roads were covered - the garage - out about 10 miles from here via
country roads. We all got there - the person's driveway covered and icey -
made the trucks hard to get close enough - hand lines had to be hoisted -
and at that - with care to avoid injury. You DO have situations which we
must deal with to protect ourselves as well. The idea is - to get to the
call without creating another - AND - to come back - safely - so you can do
it all again.

It would be wonderful to be able to call 911 and have a Firefighter, Cop or
Medic pop right there - but that is fantasy. Everyone "should" take it upon
themselves to learn some basics in first aid, fire safety, personal safety.
WE're undermanned - yet NO ONE wants to participate. If your area is
undermanned - why not join them?

Our area isn't a high tax base - many economy sustaining factories have
closed. Some towns here must rely on the State Police for assistance. THEY
are so overburdened - it can take them up to a couple hours to respond to a
call.

Before you blame the System - look into WHY it is like that. WHY is it being
overburdened - how can you get more people to participate? Ramp up the tax
base without burdening the tax payers anymore - to afford Protection?
Liability insurance on a Cop - is high. To equip just "one" cop with the
tools he/she needs and pay them a reasonable salary for a year - is NOT
cheap. Same with Firefighters. EMS has their own issues. Ever since 9/11 -
the demand has grown for training and so on. Insurance issues are coming
into play now which could cut an already short number of volunteers - down
even further. According to the last Stats I had seen - PA - where I live -
was 85% volunteer - and of those - 50% nearing an age of not being able to
perform effectively. That doesn't bode well for protection - but it seems no
one gives a damned. Better to bitch than to explore resolutions.

Before you bitch about the slowness of the system - ask WHY. There "could"
be an underlying cause. Yes - in "some" instances - there "could" be a
legitimate complaint - which must be fixed and can be - but that doesn't
apply to all. In many cases - there is no easy fix. NOT unless you start
filtering out calls and not responding.

The areas with "Volunteers" - have NO CLUE - how much money they save
annually over a paid station. I am NOT knocking the "Paid" guys/gals. I'm
just relating the situation with volunteer departments around here - and
what we do - and my knowledge of some "city" <paid> stations. My point is -
the people bitch about everything and want it for nothing. Our station -
does a Halloween parade with candy and cash prizes, Easter Egg Hunt,
Christmas Treats with Santa and so on - EVERY year. Yet to ask for a
donation to help out - the people in town will bitch about it. When one of
those events nears - the question is asked "WELL - are they going to do it -
WHEN?" It is so easy to demand...... Our station used to be financially
stable for years - but has fallen on some tough times. We may not be able to
provide those "luxuries" the public demands - much longer if we are to stay
alive. I can just hear it now. THEM CHEAP BASTARDS - they don't want to do
anything for this town. Forget the fact we risk our lives for them.

Hells fire - around here - WE do tree removal, baby sit situations until the
correct agency can respond - usually a half hour or better, etc. The City
folks don't have that issue. They have "Street" crews, and a quick response
(typically) of their agencies (Electric/Gas/Water, etc) to relieve the
firefighters to go back. Many of these towns can't afford "street crews".
The cops are so burdened, when we have calls, WE also direct traffic at the
scenes. Around here - it is safe to say - we aren't "just" a fire station.
Yet - there ya go - people bitch about response. Just how much is it you
want from "Volunteers"? Be glad you have them, you might find yourself shit
out of luck one day if they're NOT supported.

Somewhat contradictory in nature.... we hate to hear the fire whistle blow -
you never know what it is until you "actually" get there. No calls are
always as they seem. What is called in - and relayed by the 911 dispatcher -
isn't always what you find. I would rather answer a false alarm - than roll
in to see someone losing their home. But at the same time - I'd rather not
have any alarms which waste resources - at all. And I don't want to see any
of our people hurt or possibly hurting an innocent bystander - responding
to any call - actual alarm or not. Time is of the essence - as witnessed in
those bitching about slow response - but you must be careful to not create
more harm/damage/injury - than already being responded to.

One call we had just recently - "Elderly lady fell - not responsive - not
breathing". THAT was the call as given to us via 911. Naturally - like your
own mom or grandma - we try to get there ASAP to do what we can. It was a
relief to go in and find her sitting in a chair - talking. A diabetic
situation - no apparent injuries from the fall. Just feeling light headed
and fell. She did get transported to the E.R. for further evaluation due to
this being two days in a row for the symptoms - as was divulged in
questioning her and the family. My point - this was sounding like a "tragic"
call - which had a decent outcome. But no time was wasted trying to get
there to revive her. We get there - wherever it is - as soon as possible. WE
can't control weather or traffic situations which could hamper resonse time.

Another call - similar to this one - lady collapsed while preparing for
bath. The caller brought her back via CPR instructions from a 911
dispatcher. We were activated. The woman went in and out of Cardiac arrest a
couple times. When she "was" brought back - it was a feeling of <hopefully>
having saved a life - even though she was still critical. She was released
to the EMS crew - who established their IV lines, etc, and transported. She
was alive when they pulled out. She didn't make it. She coded and never come
back. We do NOT like those calls - unfortunately we must deal with them. WE
deal with lots of situations and not many are pleasant. We live with that
stuff. Bravery, is just a small part of it. There's a lot more to it. Much
of what we deal with - most couldn't.

Hero? I can't speak for all - but "I" sure don't consider myself one. I do
what I do - to help save a life or property. Sometimes it is a good
outcome - sometimes not. I do this out of desire to help others - NOT
because I want applause. I come from a family of Firefighters/EMTs/Medics. I
too "was" an EMT for years - then a medic. I am currently only involved in
the firefighting end and Emergency Management.

Our system isn't perfect - probably never will be. Rather than be so quick
to cast blame - do your part to HELP in whatever way will alleviate the
problems. If you think you have slow response now - wait until you have an
all out disaster. Our county had programs set up for people - NOT in the
system - to help out in times of disaster until Fire - Police - EMS could
arrive - but the outcome was very poor.

You can choose to be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. Which
do you prefer?
 
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radiosrfun

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim,

Thanks! Though I do try to write "correctly", sometimes I get on a roll when
the situation touches home. I tend to focus more on the information than the
correct punctuation. One thing I am not and don't profess to be - is an
English major.

Thanks again.

Lou
 
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Don Bowey

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim,

Thanks! Though I do try to write "correctly", sometimes I get on a roll when
the situation touches home. I tend to focus more on the information than the
correct punctuation. One thing I am not and don't profess to be - is an
English major.

Thanks again.

You are thanking him for nothing. In composition there are many tools such
as comma, hyphen, ellipsis, etc., that can be used to break the boredom of
an always-the-same sentence structure. They are all valid...given to
preferences by the writer. Write in your own style and enjoy it.

Someone who gets pissy about it might come to be known as A.R.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
0
radiosrfun said:
OK - some things here touched home. I reply out of direct knowledge.

Being involved in the Public Safety arena - I can tell you - there are some
stupid people out there. One example is - there was an Accident. The 911
system has been in effect for awhile - yet the caller reporting the
accident - called a phone number and left a message on an answering machine
of the Volunteer Fire Station - which also states at the beginning of the
message - if this is an Emergency - please hang up now and dial 911. Then,
they bitched about why no one showed up. DUH!

Our stations here - "Volunteer" - have an engine out the door in 4 minutes
or less. That's not bad - considering you have to drop what you're doing at
home/outside to respond. This area is "all" volunteer.

In an Emergency, time "seems" to drag - when waiting for an Ambulance,
Police or Fire. I know - I can be at our station waiting for a crew - my
bunker gear already on - and it seems to take forever - but in reality it
doesn't.

You have people who ARE overloading the system. We get calls for EMS runs
for Blisters on one's butt, Diarrhea, stoved toes, etc. NOW - while we're
out attending those people - and someone is having a "life threatening"
emergency - guess what? Our response time is greatly hampered. People all
consider "their" issue - an "emergency". Yes - to them - it "is". Many get
too excited and don't rationalize things out. Contrary to that - I've also
seen those who "should" have called the EMS and insisted to ignore the
symptoms - and end up in dire condition.

As one example - Diarrhea - it "can" be a problem - IF they've had it for a
couple days and other issues involved - leading to Dehydration... But most
people with flu or other issues where Diarrhea starts - it usually subsides
and no problems - resulting. The call often states - started this am - or
sudden onset. That is not in itself - an emergency. Probably a virus or
something you ate. Usually you don't die from it and don't require immediate
care.
It is these types of calls - overloading the system - the hospital being a
good 15 minutes away - it takes an EMS unit out of service for someone who
may actually need it.

Some parts of this area - are remote - so if you're way out in the boonies -
it will take time. The roads are windy and if in winter - snow or ice on
roads - we can't take a chance of killing ourselves or others to respond.
Most of the fires we've "lost" - were out in the middle of no-where - with
little water- aside that on the engines responding. The tankers in outter
areas also take time to get there. A garage burned to the ground just last
winter. We had a sudden snow storm and it laid a lot of snow down - FAST.
The roads were covered - the garage - out about 10 miles from here via
country roads. We all got there - the person's driveway covered and icey -
made the trucks hard to get close enough - hand lines had to be hoisted -
and at that - with care to avoid injury. You DO have situations which we
must deal with to protect ourselves as well. The idea is - to get to the
call without creating another - AND - to come back - safely - so you can do
it all again.

It would be wonderful to be able to call 911 and have a Firefighter, Cop or
Medic pop right there - but that is fantasy. Everyone "should" take it upon
themselves to learn some basics in first aid, fire safety, personal safety.
WE're undermanned - yet NO ONE wants to participate. If your area is
undermanned - why not join them?

Our area isn't a high tax base - many economy sustaining factories have
closed. Some towns here must rely on the State Police for assistance. THEY
are so overburdened - it can take them up to a couple hours to respond to a
call.

Before you blame the System - look into WHY it is like that. WHY is it being
overburdened - how can you get more people to participate? Ramp up the tax
base without burdening the tax payers anymore - to afford Protection?
Liability insurance on a Cop - is high. To equip just "one" cop with the
tools he/she needs and pay them a reasonable salary for a year - is NOT
cheap. Same with Firefighters. EMS has their own issues. Ever since 9/11 -
the demand has grown for training and so on. Insurance issues are coming
into play now which could cut an already short number of volunteers - down
even further. According to the last Stats I had seen - PA - where I live -
was 85% volunteer - and of those - 50% nearing an age of not being able to
perform effectively. That doesn't bode well for protection - but it seems no
one gives a damned. Better to bitch than to explore resolutions.

Before you bitch about the slowness of the system - ask WHY. There "could"
be an underlying cause. Yes - in "some" instances - there "could" be a
legitimate complaint - which must be fixed and can be - but that doesn't
apply to all. In many cases - there is no easy fix. NOT unless you start
filtering out calls and not responding.

The areas with "Volunteers" - have NO CLUE - how much money they save
annually over a paid station. I am NOT knocking the "Paid" guys/gals. I'm
just relating the situation with volunteer departments around here - and
what we do - and my knowledge of some "city" <paid> stations. My point is -
the people bitch about everything and want it for nothing. Our station -
does a Halloween parade with candy and cash prizes, Easter Egg Hunt,
Christmas Treats with Santa and so on - EVERY year. Yet to ask for a
donation to help out - the people in town will bitch about it. When one of
those events nears - the question is asked "WELL - are they going to do it -
WHEN?" It is so easy to demand...... Our station used to be financially
stable for years - but has fallen on some tough times. We may not be able to
provide those "luxuries" the public demands - much longer if we are to stay
alive. I can just hear it now. THEM CHEAP BASTARDS - they don't want to do
anything for this town. Forget the fact we risk our lives for them.

Hells fire - around here - WE do tree removal, baby sit situations until the
correct agency can respond - usually a half hour or better, etc. The City
folks don't have that issue. They have "Street" crews, and a quick response
(typically) of their agencies (Electric/Gas/Water, etc) to relieve the
firefighters to go back. Many of these towns can't afford "street crews".
The cops are so burdened, when we have calls, WE also direct traffic at the
scenes. Around here - it is safe to say - we aren't "just" a fire station.
Yet - there ya go - people bitch about response. Just how much is it you
want from "Volunteers"? Be glad you have them, you might find yourself shit
out of luck one day if they're NOT supported.

Somewhat contradictory in nature.... we hate to hear the fire whistle blow -
you never know what it is until you "actually" get there. No calls are
always as they seem. What is called in - and relayed by the 911 dispatcher -
isn't always what you find. I would rather answer a false alarm - than roll
in to see someone losing their home. But at the same time - I'd rather not
have any alarms which waste resources - at all. And I don't want to see any
of our people hurt or possibly hurting an innocent bystander - responding
to any call - actual alarm or not. Time is of the essence - as witnessed in
those bitching about slow response - but you must be careful to not create
more harm/damage/injury - than already being responded to.

One call we had just recently - "Elderly lady fell - not responsive - not
breathing". THAT was the call as given to us via 911. Naturally - like your
own mom or grandma - we try to get there ASAP to do what we can. It was a
relief to go in and find her sitting in a chair - talking. A diabetic
situation - no apparent injuries from the fall. Just feeling light headed
and fell. She did get transported to the E.R. for further evaluation due to
this being two days in a row for the symptoms - as was divulged in
questioning her and the family. My point - this was sounding like a "tragic"
call - which had a decent outcome. But no time was wasted trying to get
there to revive her. We get there - wherever it is - as soon as possible. WE
can't control weather or traffic situations which could hamper resonse time.

Another call - similar to this one - lady collapsed while preparing for
bath. The caller brought her back via CPR instructions from a 911
dispatcher. We were activated. The woman went in and out of Cardiac arrest a
couple times. When she "was" brought back - it was a feeling of <hopefully>
having saved a life - even though she was still critical. She was released
to the EMS crew - who established their IV lines, etc, and transported. She
was alive when they pulled out. She didn't make it. She coded and never come
back. We do NOT like those calls - unfortunately we must deal with them. WE
deal with lots of situations and not many are pleasant. We live with that
stuff. Bravery, is just a small part of it. There's a lot more to it. Much
of what we deal with - most couldn't.

Hero? I can't speak for all - but "I" sure don't consider myself one. I do
what I do - to help save a life or property. Sometimes it is a good
outcome - sometimes not. I do this out of desire to help others - NOT
because I want applause. I come from a family of Firefighters/EMTs/Medics. I
too "was" an EMT for years - then a medic. I am currently only involved in
the firefighting end and Emergency Management.

Our system isn't perfect - probably never will be. Rather than be so quick
to cast blame - do your part to HELP in whatever way will alleviate the
problems. If you think you have slow response now - wait until you have an
all out disaster. Our county had programs set up for people - NOT in the
system - to help out in times of disaster until Fire - Police - EMS could
arrive - but the outcome was very poor.

You can choose to be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. Which
do you prefer?

Man- why doncha write a small book about it... I live in a heavily
populated county, lots of hospitals, thousands of police, fire, and EMS,
and also tons of problems: fires, accidents, shootings, stabbings,
murders, out-of-control's, you name it, I hear sirens going all the
time, and I mean *ALL* the time, and this is the better part of town
too. If you have a time critical emergency, you better figure a way to
handle it yourself because it's going to be a while before the pros show
up...and they are pros, I know quite a few of them, and they're good,
they do the best they can.
 
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