Advice Please: LCD Timer Project

[Darren Harris]

I need what will basically be a digital stopwatch. It will need to be
an accurate LCD timer/clock that can record a huge number of splits to
1/60th of a second, and since nothing like what I need is on the
market I'll obviously have to build one for myself, if this is
possible.

This may be a simple project, or a really complex one. But I was
hoping to get ideas on where/how to start.

Outisde of it's foot-print not being more than about 2 or 3 inches
wide, the following is what I'm after...

1) Two digital displays:
A) One for the main timer, which can be reset to zero at the press of
a button.
B) One that will show the latest split time, at the press of a button.

2) The ability to record/recall *at least* 256 splits.

Any advice on what parts and where to get them would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks a lot.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[jakdedert]

I need what will basically be a digital stopwatch. It will need to be
an accurate LCD timer/clock that can record a huge number of splits to
1/60th of a second, and since nothing like what I need is on the
market I'll obviously have to build one for myself, if this is
possible.

This may be a simple project, or a really complex one. But I was
hoping to get ideas on where/how to start.

Outisde of it's foot-print not being more than about 2 or 3 inches
wide, the following is what I'm after...

1) Two digital displays:
A) One for the main timer, which can be reset to zero at the press of
a button.
B) One that will show the latest split time, at the press of a button.

2) The ability to record/recall *at least* 256 splits.

Any advice on what parts and where to get them would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks a lot.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

I think I'd look into whatever stopwatch programs are available for handheld
PDA's. There are some good deals out there for monochrome Palm OS devices.
(In fact, I'd unload one of mine to the right buyer.) It seems that I've
seen programs which might do what you desire. Certainly there are stopwatch
programs out there. Do a Google search....

Much easier to program a computer (PDA) to do the above, than to build a
dedicated hardware solution....

jak

 

[John]

I think I'd look into whatever stopwatch programs are available for handheld
PDA's. There are some good deals out there for monochrome Palm OS devices.
(In fact, I'd unload one of mine to the right buyer.) It seems that I've
seen programs which might do what you desire. Certainly there are stopwatch
programs out there. Do a Google search....

Much easier to program a computer (PDA) to do the above, than to build a
dedicated hardware solution....

jak

I'll second the PDA platform. Monochrome Palm devices have recently
been available for $30US at Fry's, Sears, Ebay, computergeeks.com,
surpluscomputers.net, and others.

Most of these devices have a hardware clock with 100 clock
ticks/second, so you can can get fractional seconds - however, 1/60
second doesn't divide well with 1/100 second pulses ;-)

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

I'll second the PDA platform. Monochrome Palm devices have recently
been available for $30US at Fry's, Sears, Ebay, computergeeks.com,
surpluscomputers.net, and others.

Most of these devices have a hardware clock with 100 clock
ticks/second, so you can can get fractional seconds - however, 1/60
second doesn't divide well with 1/100 second pulses ;-)

I bet the 1/60th probably came from the power line and they'd actually prefer
1/100th accuracy!

--- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Mirror: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/
Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/
+Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasersam.htm
| Mirror Sites: http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_mirror.html

Note: These links are hopefully temporary until we can sort out the excessive
traffic on Repairfaq.org.

Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header is ignored.
To contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites.

 

[NSM]

| I need what will basically be a digital stopwatch. It will need to be
| an accurate LCD timer/clock that can record a huge number of splits to
| 1/60th of a second, and since nothing like what I need is on the
| market I'll obviously have to build one for myself, if this is
| possible.

Not sure how many 'huge' is, but an old Model 100 Radio Shack computer will
do it. There's a M/L program you can download to give you several splits.

N

 

[jakdedert]

| I need what will basically be a digital stopwatch. It will need to be
| an accurate LCD timer/clock that can record a huge number of splits to
| 1/60th of a second, and since nothing like what I need is on the
| market I'll obviously have to build one for myself, if this is
| possible.

Not sure how many 'huge' is, but an old Model 100 Radio Shack computer will
do it. There's a M/L program you can download to give you several splits.

A model 100 (I remember mine fondly...) doesn't really fit his size
criterea...PDA's much more available, with current program development. My
guess is that the program is available in shareware. There's an immense
amount of resources available. If an available program doesn't exactly fit
his needs, he could either modify the criterea, or possibly convince the
programmer to develop a modification.

jak

 

[Darren Harris]

I know nothing at all about PDAs or programming. But from what I can
tell, it wouldn't suit my purpose anyway. I was visualizing two
displays(like the big red numbers on those easy to read digital
clocks). For power consumption reasons I assumed that this timer would
have to be something I'd plug into an outlet. I could settle for a
timer that would increment at 1/100th of a second instead of 1/60th.
So I guess that would mean that I'd need 8 decimal places for the
display that would show the split times.

Anyway, from what I gather, what I want to do is too complicated,
going by the recommdations so far.

Or perhaps there is a way to use a PDA hidden in a specially built box
where it would output to the kind of displays I need. Is this
plausible?

Thanks a lot.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Rich Grise]

I know nothing at all about PDAs or programming. But from what I can
tell, it wouldn't suit my purpose anyway. I was visualizing two
displays(like the big red numbers on those easy to read digital
clocks). For power consumption reasons I assumed that this timer would
have to be something I'd plug into an outlet. I could settle for a
timer that would increment at 1/100th of a second instead of 1/60th.
So I guess that would mean that I'd need 8 decimal places for the
display that would show the split times.

Anyway, from what I gather, what I want to do is too complicated,
going by the recommdations so far.

Oh, that's only because everybody jumped on that pocket thing.
All you need is a clock oscillator, a counter, a few latches
and display drivers, and some gating logic.

You push "start", that gates on the counter (so you get a full cycle
at start time - the oscillator is free-running), and then your "time 1"
button latches the current count into display 1, your "time 2" button
latches display 2, and so on. You can add displays all day long, if you
want.

Maybe a dozen parts, if you do it all with "discrete" chips.

Or perhaps there is a way to use a PDA hidden in a specially built box
where it would output to the kind of displays I need. Is this
plausible?

Yabbut, it's way overkill, or maybe "underkill." ;-) Like I said, you can
do it with a few counters and latches. For a digital weenie like me, it's
just a matter of connecting the dots.

Chips you might want to look at:
74HC393 - dual decade counter
74HC273 - 8-bit D FF (or edge-triggered latch)

Oh, yeah, you'll need some kind of BCD-to-7-segment decoders, but you
already knew that, right? ;-)

Have Fun!
Rich

 

[jakdedert]

Oh, that's only because everybody jumped on that pocket thing.
All you need is a clock oscillator, a counter, a few latches
and display drivers, and some gating logic.

You push "start", that gates on the counter (so you get a full cycle
at start time - the oscillator is free-running), and then your "time
1" button latches the current count into display 1, your "time 2"
button latches display 2, and so on. You can add displays all day
long, if you want.

Maybe a dozen parts, if you do it all with "discrete" chips.


Yabbut, it's way overkill, or maybe "underkill." ;-) Like I said, you
can do it with a few counters and latches. For a digital weenie like
me, it's just a matter of connecting the dots.

Chips you might want to look at:
74HC393 - dual decade counter
74HC273 - 8-bit D FF (or edge-triggered latch)

Oh, yeah, you'll need some kind of BCD-to-7-segment decoders, but you
already knew that, right? ;-)

Have Fun!
Rich

Fun, I guess, but: <http://www.intellitimer.com/>
Sport's #1 Stopwatch Software
for Palm OS handhelds and compatibles
Intelli-products are now used in over 100 countries worldwide!

Times, Totals, & Tabulates

....splits, finishes, and speeds for all sports!

IntelliTimer:
* Tri-Timer display;
* Delta Time Tracking;
* Multi-mode operation;
* Unlimited event logging;
* 50 split/finish times per event;
* Accuracy to 1/100th second;
* Event timing up to 99 hours;
* Finish-time and group editing;

* Editable descriptions and events;
* Real-time split display and recording;
* Editable descriptions and events;
* Beaming to other Palm-enabled handhelds;
* PC Desktop Companion;;
* Print results;
* Save results to Web page;
* Save results to CSV file;
* Create charts
IntelliTimer: For the timings of your life!

or maybe: http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps4238a_98332.html:
Banana Split Race Timer 2.0a
Race Split Timer
SHAREWARE- $25.00
from: Medical Informatics, Inc.
Complete race timer which can be used for recording race results or on the
course to record splits. Keeps track of laps, interval starts, multiple
classes of racers, race groups (teams), racer names.

Was originally designed as a XC ski race timer to track complex splits and
interval starts for on-course coaching. Gives lap information, time from
leader, time to next racer and much more.

Racer registration screen allows you to enter names, classes, groups, and
start delay for each racer.

Full reporting on screen and export to memo pad.

Improved split time display and performance of the program.
You can now operate program with one hand!
Instant Split display gives you everything you need to know.
Now can also sort and display results by lap and class.

If neither of these work, you can try:
http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps2908a_98332.html
PocketTimer 2.1

COMMERCIAL- $49.95
from: Stevens Creek Software
The handheld, inexpensive race timing solution, ideal for race directors,
running clubs, or anyone else putting on an event that needs timing. Use it
as primary finish line timing or as backup for existing timing gear. Record
transition times in triathlons, split times at aid stations in an ultra, or
anything else. Records bib#, place, time, and pace for thousands of racers.
Download the results to your desktop computer in an easy-to-read format.

- What's New! -----
New updates in this version:
Times can be sorted by time or bib#
export of data is controlled so user can specify place
bib#, time, and/or pace to be exported in CSV or tab-delimited format.

Or you might want to try:
http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1721a_98332.html
RaceTimes 1.2

SHAREWARE- $15.00
from: Nu-Log Pty Limited
This program records times (up to 100) in hh:mm:ss using the hard buttons on
the PalmPilot. Names (or numbers/boats) are recorded using graffiti (or the
popup keyboard). A clock can be displayed on screen in either 12 or 24 hour
mode. The PalmPilot may be turned off, and when the "Record" button is
pressed, the time is recorded (and the Pilot turns on). The program was
originally written to record sailing results, but is equally useful for any
race or purpose where times need to be recorded to 1 second accuracy. More
than one time can be recorded for the same second.


Now you can output to the Serial Port. So you can Print to a Serial Printer
(or Parallel Printer using a converter) or capture to a File (or print to
your computer's printer) on a Computer using a Terminal program (does not
require HotSync software)
RaceTimes 1.2

or: http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps653a_98332.html
or: http://www.a-metrics.com/laptrack1.htm
or maybe something from here:
http://www.pilotzone.com/palm/util_time_pop.html

Those are just from a quick search on Google for "Palm stopwatch program"
There are many more....

jak

 

[Darren Harris]

Okay.

Since there doesn't seem to be another way, can anyone refer me to
someone who may be able to build something like what I'm after?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[John Fields]

Okay.

Since there doesn't seem to be another way, can anyone refer me to
someone who may be able to build something like what I'm after?

 

[hamilton]

"[email protected]2.com" is not a valid email.

 

[Rich Grise]

Apparently not just plain multiple displays, each with its own
"latch" button, all started and clocked together.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Darren Harris]

What's a "split"?

Apparently not just plain multiple displays, each with its own
"latch" button, all started and clocked together.

Cheers!
Rich

Splits = individual lap times.

I'll settle for a single LCD display if I have to.

Since this appears to be too complicated, perhaps I can start off with
something simple. Does anyone know how to build a simple timer with an
LCD screen that shows hours, minutes, and seconds?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[James Sweet]

Splits = individual lap times.

I'll settle for a single LCD display if I have to.

Since this appears to be too complicated, perhaps I can start off with
something simple. Does anyone know how to build a simple timer with an
LCD screen that shows hours, minutes, and seconds?

It's not terribly complicated, but either way you'll pretty much need to use
a microcontroller. Check out www.maximic.com for LCD display driver chips,
and look at www.atmel.com or www.microchip.com for microcontroller info. You
could save some hardware time by using a ready-made LCD display, 16
character x 2 line displays are relatively common, cheap, and not overly
complex to drive. To save some time coding you can skip the assembly
language and look into one of the compilers out there, RVK Basic, Bascom
Basic, PICBasic, C, etc. Another advantage of this approach is that if you
don't like the way it works or think of a new feature you want, you simply
tweak the code until it works the way you want it to.

 

[Darren Harris]

It's not terribly complicated, but either way you'll pretty much need to use

a microcontroller. Check out www.maximic.com for LCD display driver chips,
and look at www.atmel.com or www.microchip.com for microcontroller info. You
could save some hardware time by using a ready-made LCD display, 16
character x 2 line displays are relatively common, cheap, and not overly
complex to drive. To save some time coding you can skip the assembly
language and look into one of the compilers out there, RVK Basic, Bascom
Basic, PICBasic, C, etc. Another advantage of this approach is that if you
don't like the way it works or think of a new feature you want, you simply
tweak the code until it works the way you want it to.

Unfortunately, since I know nothing about microcontrollers, driver
chips, or programming, can anyone advise me on how I can find someone
who could do this?

Thanks.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Robert Monsen]

Splits = individual lap times.

I'll settle for a single LCD display if I have to.

Since this appears to be too complicated, perhaps I can start off with
something simple. Does anyone know how to build a simple timer with an
LCD screen that shows hours, minutes, and seconds?

Unfortunately, driving an LCD screen isn't a simple thing; they are
really designed to be driven using software. There may be front-end
chips which simplify them, but LED 7-Segment displays are much easier to
drive from discrete logic.

Building a 'simple' timer with discrete, digital logic isn't as easy as
it seems. You need

1) a timer source, like an oscillator circuit
2) a counter (or more like a set of counter chips)
3) logic to sample these counter outputs, and display the results on an
the LED segments.

At the least, this will require

1) a crystal oscillator/divider, like the philips hef4521b combination
oscillator/divider chip. Using a crystal, you can generate accurate one
second clock pulses

2) a set of bcd counters, one per decade of timing accuracy.
3) a set of LED 7-segment display drivers, one per digit.
4) some 7 segment displays
5) power supply
6) enclosure

You can get fancy and multiplex the LED displays, thus cutting down on
the number of chips required, but this increases the complexity a bit,
requiring more logic.

Note that a microcontroller costing less than a buck can replace 1-3
with a simple program of about 100 lines of assembler. Also, there are
designs for discrete timer circuits out on the web, if you want to look
and see what you are getting yourself into before starting.

If you decide to try to show speeds, you'll need division as well, which
is fairly easy in a microcontroller, and much harder with digital logic.

--
Regards,
Robert Monsen

"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
- Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.

 

[James Sweet]

Unfortunately, since I know nothing about microcontrollers, driver
chips, or programming, can anyone advise me on how I can find someone
who could do this?

I didn't either until a couple years ago, it was having an achievable goal
like this that gave me the motivation and direction to learn it.

 

[NSM]

| > It's not terribly complicated, but either way you'll pretty much need to
use
| > a microcontroller. Check out www.maximic.com for LCD display driver
chips,
| > and look at www.atmel.com or www.microchip.com for microcontroller info.
You
| > could save some hardware time by using a ready-made LCD display, 16
| > character x 2 line displays are relatively common, cheap, and not overly
| > complex to drive. To save some time coding you can skip the assembly
| > language and look into one of the compilers out there, RVK Basic, Bascom
| > Basic, PICBasic, C, etc. Another advantage of this approach is that if
you
| > don't like the way it works or think of a new feature you want, you
simply
| > tweak the code until it works the way you want it to.
|
| Unfortunately, since I know nothing about microcontrollers, driver
| chips, or programming, can anyone advise me on how I can find someone
| who could do this?

If you look on the Microchip site you will find all the app notes you will
need. Look at PIC Microcontrollers. http://www.microchip.com/

N

 

[hamilton]

"Darren Harris" <[email protected]> wrote in message

Darren,

Your email is bogus.

If you want this project, you will have to send me an email.

hamilton AT dimensional DOT com