Why are these so rare and hard to buy?

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by Peter Jason, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. Peter Jason

    Peter Jason Guest

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    The old double lighting adaptors are so rare now
    that I have manages to scrounge only three; and
    all are of the old Bakelite type. This took hours
    raking through junk in recycle shops etc.

    These things are useful to brighten up a table
    lamp because multiple bulbs may be inserted if
    required.

    Google hasn't found many either.

    What is one to do!
     
    Peter Jason, Jun 15, 2013
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  2. In article <>,
    Peter Jason <> writes:
    >
    > http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mECvXoWTX5kQYnqJMaaaVMA.jpg
    > http://members.iinet.net.au/~cool386/plug/light1.jpg
    > http://www.electrical-contractor.net/mt/DLA2.JPG
    >
    >
    >
    > The old double lighting adaptors are so rare now
    > that I have manages to scrounge only three; and
    > all are of the old Bakelite type. This took hours
    > raking through junk in recycle shops etc.
    >
    > These things are useful to brighten up a table
    > lamp because multiple bulbs may be inserted if
    > required.
    >
    > Google hasn't found many either.
    >
    > What is one to do!


    In the UK, sometime around 1970 (not sure exactly), it became a
    legal requirement that electrical accessories conformed to the
    relevant British Standard. The British Standard for lampholders
    didn't include any adaptors, so they became illegal to sell, and
    vanished from the market.

    BTW, see http://www.bigclive.com/hamster.htm

    --
    Andrew Gabriel
    [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
     
    Andrew Gabriel, Jun 15, 2013
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  3. Peter Jason

    Peter Jason Guest

    On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:27:30 +0000 (UTC),
    (Andrew Gabriel)
    wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Peter Jason <> writes:
    >>
    >> http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mECvXoWTX5kQYnqJMaaaVMA.jpg
    >> http://members.iinet.net.au/~cool386/plug/light1.jpg
    >> http://www.electrical-contractor.net/mt/DLA2.JPG
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> The old double lighting adaptors are so rare now
    >> that I have manages to scrounge only three; and
    >> all are of the old Bakelite type. This took hours
    >> raking through junk in recycle shops etc.
    >>
    >> These things are useful to brighten up a table
    >> lamp because multiple bulbs may be inserted if
    >> required.
    >>
    >> Google hasn't found many either.
    >>
    >> What is one to do!

    >
    >In the UK, sometime around 1970 (not sure exactly), it became a
    >legal requirement that electrical accessories conformed to the
    >relevant British Standard. The British Standard for lampholders
    >didn't include any adaptors, so they became illegal to sell, and
    >vanished from the market.
    >
    >BTW, see http://www.bigclive.com/hamster.htm


    Many thanks. I'll see if I can make one of
    these.

    While I'm griping, I've had trouble finding the
    small bayonet chandelier-type lampholders with the
    ceramic insert. The insert in the new ones are
    of some plastic, and this may not take the heat
    for long. The antique ceramic ones have all
    vanished!
     
    Peter Jason, Jun 18, 2013
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  4. Peter Jason

    Jeff Jonas Guest

    >> In the UK, sometime around 1970 (not sure exactly), it became a
    >> legal requirement that electrical accessories conformed to the
    >> relevant British Standard. The British Standard for lampholders
    >> didn't include any adaptors,
    >> so they became illegal to sell, and vanished from the market.


    Geez, that makes me kinda appreciate the USA's
    sluggish adoption of anything of the sort.

    We're still using the 100+ year old Edison base
    for our lamps, so all old things still work,
    whereas Ikea feels obligated to discontinue everything
    after a year or 2 to force new products upon us
    from furniture to lighting.
    Ikea no longer sells incadescant lamps
    and seems to have cut down on their halogen selection
    to focus on LED retrofits.
    [just to take a stab at the "Ikea experience"
    where I can't buy a matching lamp or chair or bulb anymore]

    >>BTW, see http://www.bigclive.com/hamster.htm


    Thanks! That's clever and entertaining.

    > While I'm griping, I've had trouble finding the
    > small bayonet chandelier-type lampholders
    > with the ceramic insert. The insert in the new ones
    > are of some plastic, and this may not take the heat
    > for long. The antique ceramic ones have all vanished!


    I have a similar gripe.
    As a kid I used to buy bulb adapters that converted
    candelabra or medium base bulbs to Edison base.
    They were ceramic and lasted forever (unless dropped).
    Now they're all plastic. Foo.
     
    Jeff Jonas, Jun 19, 2013
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  5. In article <kpr5pm$7q$>,
    (Jeff Jonas) writes:
    >>> In the UK, sometime around 1970 (not sure exactly), it became a
    >>> legal requirement that electrical accessories conformed to the
    >>> relevant British Standard. The British Standard for lampholders
    >>> didn't include any adaptors,
    >>> so they became illegal to sell, and vanished from the market.

    >
    > Geez, that makes me kinda appreciate the USA's
    > sluggish adoption of anything of the sort.
    >
    > We're still using the 100+ year old Edison base
    > for our lamps, so all old things still work,


    That's the same here too. However, you used to be
    able to sell all sorts of adapters which didn't
    conform to any regs, and now you can't. If any of
    the manufacturers had thought it worth the effort
    to put any of these into the regs, they could have
    done so. However, they mostly dated back to the
    1910's when some people bought just an electric
    lighting supply, so they had no sockets - anything
    else had to be plugged into a lampholder, so
    lampholder 2-way adapters were made, so you could
    plug your iron into the light fitting. The requirement
    for these had in practice long since vanished by the
    1970's, so it wasn't worth the effort of putting
    them into the relevant British Standards.

    > whereas Ikea feels obligated to discontinue everything
    > after a year or 2 to force new products upon us
    > from furniture to lighting.
    > Ikea no longer sells incadescant lamps
    > and seems to have cut down on their halogen selection
    > to focus on LED retrofits.


    That's forced on all EU countries by the EU.
    Having said that, IKEA have one of the best selection
    of LED lamps of any of the common retailers (and that
    was true of CFLs, when they introduced a wide range
    at low prices, when all other major retailers had a
    very limited range at silly prices).

    >>>BTW, see http://www.bigclive.com/hamster.htm

    >
    > Thanks! That's clever and entertaining.
    >
    >> While I'm griping, I've had trouble finding the
    >> small bayonet chandelier-type lampholders
    >> with the ceramic insert. The insert in the new ones
    >> are of some plastic, and this may not take the heat
    >> for long. The antique ceramic ones have all vanished!


    S. Lilley & Son still make them: http://www.s-lilley.co.uk
    SBC lampholders were never particularly common, and
    the choice of lamps for them nowadays is vanishingly
    small. Refit with SES instead, or if you intend to
    use filament lamps, I would rewire for 12V G4 or G6.3
    halogen capsules which are well over twice as efficient
    as 240V mains filament lamps.

    --
    Andrew Gabriel
    [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
     
    Andrew Gabriel, Jun 23, 2013
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