using NOPPP, the "No-Parts" PIC Programmer on xp

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hi all
ref:-http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/

is it possible to use this programmer on xp?.there is a software on the
above page but it is in spanish.(by Miguel Sandro Lucero).and another
one ment for 9x
systems(http://members.fortunecity.com/rcabezas/noppp9x.htm).
can i use above 9x software by using windows xp compatability
wizard.will it work?(i can open this softawre in xp.but dono what will
happen while programming).
or is there any other software which works on xp.(i want XT,watch dog
timer options in the program)

ay ideas
help pls
thanks

 

[Leon Heller]

hi all
ref:-http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/

is it possible to use this programmer on xp?.there is a software on the
above page but it is in spanish.(by Miguel Sandro Lucero).and another
one ment for 9x
systems(http://members.fortunecity.com/rcabezas/noppp9x.htm).
can i use above 9x software by using windows xp compatability
wizard.will it work?(i can open this softawre in xp.but dono what will
happen while programming).
or is there any other software which works on xp.(i want XT,watch dog
timer options in the program)

You could try IC-Prog. I use it under XP with the JDM Programmer and it
works OK. It doesn't support NOPPP directly but you should be able to get it
to work by using the Tait programmer option.

Leon

 

[fever]

hi
thanks for ur reply.i found some sites by googling.but dono which one
works perfectly.
http://users.tpg.com.au/btkelly/jdm_b.htm
http://www.jdm.homepage.dk/newpics.htm

first one is modified version.can i use it.which one is best.
help pls
thanks

 

[Leon Heller]

hi
thanks for ur reply.i found some sites by googling.but dono which one
works perfectly.
http://users.tpg.com.au/btkelly/jdm_b.htm
http://www.jdm.homepage.dk/newpics.htm

first one is modified version.can i use it.which one is best.

The modified version would probably be best. I have had some problems with
the '628 using the standard circuit. I didn't know of that mod, so I'll try
it for myself.

Leon

 

[Active8]

You could try IC-Prog. I use it under XP with the JDM Programmer and it
works OK. It doesn't support NOPPP directly but you should be able to get it
to work by using the Tait programmer option.

Last I checked that thing still wouldn't do 16f648, though it'd do
628s. It didn't do 16f88s, either. Last I checked, none of the free
burners written for windows did.

 

[Leon Heller]

Last I checked that thing still wouldn't do 16f648, though it'd do
628s. It didn't do 16f88s, either. Last I checked, none of the free
burners written for windows did.

IC-Prog now supports the 16F88 and the 16F648A.

Leon

 

[Martin Riddle]

GIVEIO

Will virtually map out the LPT ports under xp. I uses it with FPP with good results.

Cheers

 

[Active8]

The modified version would probably be best. I have had some problems with
the '628 using the standard circuit. I didn't know of that mod, so I'll try
it for myself.

I did mine with a 74HCT04, a 2n3904 or 2n2222, a 78xx regulator and
3 diodes. No need to mess with LVP with such a trivial parts list.

Whatever you do, if you go parallel, I'd suggest terminating the
parallel cable at the burner. They were lamenting about cable length
on Byron's THVP/TLVP forum. I'm using a 6 ft cable with no problems.
Dunno if that's a prob with serial.

 

[John]

Whatever you do, if you go parallel, I'd suggest terminating the

parallel cable at the burner. They were lamenting about cable length
on Byron's THVP/TLVP forum. I'm using a 6 ft cable with no problems.
Dunno if that's a prob with serial.

There is a fix that allows longer cables. However, the importance of a
longer cord to the TLVP is near zero for newbies or hackers who switch
to serial programming via a bootloader.

As far as I can tell newbies and hackers go to serial programming
quickly, and really serious production work benefits from industrial
programmers.

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A couple of days ago I built Byron's TLVP programmer. Using ICProg105c
it works great for the 16F877A and is soooo simple (one 74hc573, one
resistor, one cap).
(BTW HITECH PICLITE integrated into MPLAB is * s p e c t a c u l a r *
and *FREE*)

 

[fever]

thanks.
but the problem is my noppp is almost completed.insted of using other
programmers,first i want to test this with noppp9x
software(http://members.fortunecity.com/rcabezas/noppp9x.htm)
can i use it by windows xp compatibility wizard?

 

[Active8]

There is a fix that allows longer cables. However, the importance of a
longer cord to the TLVP is near zero for newbies or hackers who switch
to serial programming via a bootloader.

As far as I can tell newbies and hackers go to serial programming
quickly, and really serious production work benefits from industrial
programmers.

I plan to get mine doing multiple chips. And I like to get it to do
voltage testing. I've already hacked into some open source burner
code. I want a program with a text file so I can add chips easily.

A couple of days ago I built Byron's TLVP programmer. Using ICProg105c
it works great for the 16F877A and is soooo simple (one 74hc573, one
resistor, one cap).

The only prob I have with *my* HVP (not the THVP) is that ICProg
never could read the data, but some other burnerProg could.

I used the Conquest Burner Hardware setting and I don't know what
pin it expects read data on. Or maybe I found it and forgot IIRC
mine is connected to LPT pin 14 or 10.

Which settings do you use for ICProg/TLVP and what's the read pin?

(BTW HITECH PICLITE integrated into MPLAB is * s p e c t a c u l a r *
and *FREE*)

I know, but I haven't used it. I wonder if it would it help with and
work with dsPIC? Hmmm. I'm not sure whether uChip has separate tools
for those or not.

 

[John]

I plan to get mine doing multiple chips. And I like to get it to do
voltage testing. I've already hacked into some open source burner
code. I want a program with a text file so I can add chips easily.
Nice.

Which settings do you use for ICProg/TLVP and what's the read pin?

It's not in front of me, but I know MCLR was not inverted, I selected
Tait Serial, (w/ Tait Parallel IC-Prog didn't allow data & code
verification) and I forget the rest. I will look at the settings
tonight. I think read is on PC pin 10 (from RB3/PGM through the input
side of the 74hc573), right?

I know, but I haven't used it. I wonder if it would it help with and
work with dsPIC? Hmmm. I'm not sure whether uChip has separate tools
for those or not.

I'm not sure how dsPIC is supported. My version of PICLITE supports 10
PIC processors with the 16F877a being the most capable. It also caps
code space to 2k in the 16f877a, has no printf formatting for long
floats, allows only 2 banks of code with the 16f877a, and a few other
limitations.

Nevertheless, stepping through disassembled C code with breakpoints,
watch varibles, etc is a splendid educational environment. I haven't
fiddled with hardware simulation yet (like set a pin), but for learning
about ML and the PIC way, it's pretty darn cool. I wonder how many
folks looking at PIC or AVR know how rich this environment is (I
haven't touched AVR, just glanced at AVR-GCC)? For learning and up to
2k of stuff on the 16f877a, it seems hard to beat. My only concern is
that I'll want HI-TECH's full blown compiler some day .

Question: the dsPIC ... couldn't that be used as a general purpose
processor? What do the dsPICs lack over a 16f877a (besides code and
data word size and capacities).

 

[Active8]

It's not in front of me, but I know MCLR was not inverted, I selected
Tait Serial, (w/ Tait Parallel IC-Prog didn't allow data & code
verification) and I forget the rest. I will look at the settings
tonight. I think read is on PC pin 10 (from RB3/PGM through the input
side of the 74hc573), right?

That looks like what I wired in. ICProg never could read it from
there using the conquest settings and I don't think tail worked.
That's why I'd like to write my own. I'd have the pin assignments in
the config file, also.

I'm not sure how dsPIC is supported. My version of PICLITE supports 10
PIC processors with the 16F877a being the most capable. It also caps
code space to 2k in the 16f877a, has no printf formatting for long
floats, allows only 2 banks of code with the 16f877a, and a few other
limitations.

Nevertheless, stepping through disassembled C code with breakpoints,
watch varibles, etc is a splendid educational environment. I haven't
fiddled with hardware simulation yet (like set a pin), but for learning
about ML and the PIC way, it's pretty darn cool. I wonder how many
folks looking at PIC or AVR know how rich this environment is (I
haven't touched AVR, just glanced at AVR-GCC)? For learning and up to
2k of stuff on the 16f877a, it seems hard to beat. My only concern is
that I'll want HI-TECH's full blown compiler some day .

I have a feeling the software for AVR is better. I noticed PonyProg
is the thing at least at avrfreaks.com. I think that's attractive
since there's not so many half-assed burners and harware to confuse
the beginner.

Question: the dsPIC ... couldn't that be used as a general purpose
processor? What do the dsPICs lack over a 16f877a (besides code and
data word size and capacities).

I haven't dig deeply, but the dsPIC has some kind of dsp core, so I
assume it's harware "optimized" for dsp. I bet it has the typical
PIC RISC set with extras for the dsp.

 

[fever]

can i run noppp9x on xp with compatible wizard?
thanks

 

[Active8]

can i run noppp9x on xp with compatible wizard?
thanks

I don't think so. Someone left a clue about giveio. You need a
driver like that.