SEEKING ELECTIRICAL DESIGN ENGINEER - New Commercial Product Design

[Robert BonGiovanni]

Seeking a smart, bright, "entrepreneurial" electrical design engineer
for the initial design/architecture of a new "innovative and exciting"
commercial consumer product launch. Requires: Prototype plus
production design specifications.

Should have experience in designing small consumer electrical products
for production. This is an innovative and exciting project.

PLEASE CONTACT ME BY EMAIL AT:

[email protected]

Robert BonGiovanni, CEO
Cambio Group LLC

 

[Jim Thompson]

Seeking a smart, bright, "entrepreneurial" electrical design engineer
for the initial design/architecture of a new "innovative and exciting"
commercial consumer product launch. Requires: Prototype plus
production design specifications.

Should have experience in designing small consumer electrical products
for production. This is an innovative and exciting project.

PLEASE CONTACT ME BY EMAIL AT:

[email protected]

Robert BonGiovanni, CEO
Cambio Group LLC

"entrepreneurial" usually means low or no pay ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Fred Bloggs]

"entrepreneurial" usually means low or no pay ;-)

...Jim Thompson

That would be entrepren-urinal then....

 

[Jim Thompson]

That would be entrepren-urinal then....

Good one, Fred! I'll have to add that spelling to my repertoire ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Ken Smith]

Seeking a smart, bright, "entrepreneurial" electrical design engineer ............................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
for the initial design/architecture of a new "innovative and exciting"

................................................^^^^^^^^^^.....^^^^^^^^


One thing we know is that

Robert BonGiovanni, CEO

is not an engineer and is unlikely to have spoken to one or read Dilbert
etc. If he had, he'd know this combination of words is usually the first
clue to a company about to tank.

 

[Tim Wescott]

"entrepreneurial" usually means low or no pay ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Or that your salary looks good on paper but you're expected to work 100
hours a week.

Maybe if someone offered to do the work for the pay they offer, but to
keep the rights and charge a royalty? Now _that_ would be entrepreneurial.

 

[Genome]

| Seeking a smart, bright, "entrepreneurial" electrical design engineer
| for the initial design/architecture of a new "innovative and exciting"
| commercial consumer product launch. Requires: Prototype plus
| production design specifications.
|
| Should have experience in designing small consumer electrical products
| for production. This is an innovative and exciting project.
|
| PLEASE CONTACT ME BY EMAIL AT:
|
| [email protected]
|
| Robert BonGiovanni, CEO
| Cambio Group LLC

Would you accept a SATIRICAL DESIGN ENGINEER instead.

DNA

 

[hamilton]

Administrative Contact:
RCN (ETS3-ORG) [email protected]
xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
US
xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx

Technical Contact:
(EROLS-NOC) [email protected]
RCN
xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
US
xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx

Record expires on 01-May-2011.
Record created on 30-Apr-1995.
Database last updated on 5-Jul-2004 14:18:41 EDT.

 

[John Larkin]

Administrative Contact:
RCN (ETS3-ORG) [email protected]
xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
US
xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx

Technical Contact:
(EROLS-NOC) [email protected]
RCN
xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
US
xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx

Record expires on 01-May-2011.
Record created on 30-Apr-1995.
Database last updated on 5-Jul-2004 14:18:41 EDT.

Uh, what the heck was all that about?

John

 

[Robert BonGiovanni]

Not necessarily Jim.

I'd be interested in discussing the project with you to see if you
have the experience and know-how and could actually accomplish the
goal. If so, I'd also like to hear back from you as to what your fee
would be.

 

[Genome]

message | On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:24:25 -0600, hamilton
|
| > Administrative Contact:
| > RCN (ETS3-ORG) [email protected]
| > xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
| > SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
| > US
| > xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx
| >
| > Technical Contact:
| > (EROLS-NOC) [email protected]
| > RCN
| > xxxx XXXXXXXX CT
| > SPRINGFIELD, VA 22151-2108
| > US
| > xxx-xxx-xxxx fax: xxx-xxx-xxxx
| >
| > Record expires on 01-May-2011.
| > Record created on 30-Apr-1995.
| > Database last updated on 5-Jul-2004 14:18:41 EDT.
| >
| >
| >Genome wrote:
| >
| >> | >> | Seeking a smart, bright, "entrepreneurial" electrical design
engineer
| >> | for the initial design/architecture of a new "innovative and
exciting"
| >> | commercial consumer product launch. Requires: Prototype plus
| >> | production design specifications.
| >> |
| >> | Should have experience in designing small consumer electrical
products
| >> | for production. This is an innovative and exciting project.
| >> |
| >> | PLEASE CONTACT ME BY EMAIL AT:
| >> |
| >> | [email protected]
| >> |
| >> | Robert BonGiovanni, CEO
| >> | Cambio Group LLC
| >>
|
|
| Uh, what the heck was all that about?
|
| John
|

Either I've been targeted for termination or someone wants a donation
for their sperm bank.

Given my present mood I'd accept termination. These tablets work wonders
for a severe lack of sperm generation.

Wanking was one of my favourite passtimes. Now it's become a past time.

They tell me I should get a hobby. I had one, it was wanking. The
tablets have taken it from me.

Now I'm really depressed.

Still, it's nice to know what your sell by date is.

Shit, May 2011.....

Another seven years of crap!

DNA

 

[Jim Thompson]

Not necessarily Jim.

I'd be interested in discussing the project with you to see if you
have the experience and know-how and could actually accomplish the
goal. If so, I'd also like to hear back from you as to what your fee
would be.

My hourly rate is $200, but most of my projects are quoted fixed-fee
PROVIDED that performance expectations and milestones are adequately
specified... no vague descriptions allowed ;-)

My specialty is primarily ASIC design, but I occasionally take on
discrete component projects.

Visit my website to see if my skill set matches your
needs/expectations. If it does, give me a call.


...Jim Thompson

 

[Guy Macon]

Please look at my resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/ and see
if my qualifications match your needs.

 

[Tim Wescott]

Not necessarily Jim.

I'd be interested in discussing the project with you to see if you
have the experience and know-how and could actually accomplish the
goal. If so, I'd also like to hear back from you as to what your fee
would be.

As with Guy and Jim, you can look at my website, too, along with those
of half of the regulars on this list, and see if I'm a good fit.

I'd recommend in addition that you pick someone close to home -- having
worked with folks on the opposite coast I know that even a three-hour
time zone difference is a pain, and there's nothing like a face to face
meeting to make things easier.

 

[Robert BonGiovanni]

To all respondents,

When I posted my listing, I actually thought I was contacting a group
of "professional engineers" and not a group of cynical guys who have
nothing better to do than try "one ups-man-ship one liners" all done
in the most amateurish bad taste.

Fortunately, I did get a personal response from one such
"professional" individual, and will proceed accordingly. Sorry to have
proposed a "legitmate business project" to such a group, I didn't know
any better. Now I do!

Rob BonGiovanni

 

[John Larkin]

To all respondents,

When I posted my listing, I actually thought I was contacting a group
of "professional engineers" and not a group of cynical guys who have
nothing better to do than try "one ups-man-ship one liners" all done
in the most amateurish bad taste.

Fortunately, I did get a personal response from one such
"professional" individual, and will proceed accordingly. Sorry to have
proposed a "legitmate business project" to such a group, I didn't know
any better. Now I do!

Rob BonGiovanni

As a public, unmoderated forum, anyone can post here; there's no way
to qualify only "professional engineers." If you found a good prospect
or two, then mission accomplished. All you can reasonably do is ignore
any posts you don't like. The world's supply of jerks, after all,
clearly outnumbers the supply of good engineers.

John

 

[Tim Wescott]

As a public, unmoderated forum, anyone can post here; there's no way
to qualify only "professional engineers." If you found a good prospect
or two, then mission accomplished. All you can reasonably do is ignore
any posts you don't like. The world's supply of jerks, after all,
clearly outnumbers the supply of good engineers.

John

And since I did make an unfortunate comment or two, I would also like to
add that in my career, with one exception, all of the truly good
engineers have been deeply cynical, and the ones I considered great have
a very realistic view of human nature and it's limitations. The only
exception that I know has left the profession, in my opinion because he
couldn't reconcile the cynicism engendered by being an engineer with his
own strongly held religious beliefs.

So if my experience is any guide I hope for your sake that you're
engaging someone who is either cynical or a hardened realist. If you
don't, you're going to get to the end of your project with one of those
nightmare products that turn young optimistic engineers into old cynical
ones, and potentially profitable business ventures into case studies for
"Inc." magazine.

 

[Jim Thompson]

And since I did make an unfortunate comment or two, I would also like to
add that in my career, with one exception, all of the truly good
engineers have been deeply cynical, and the ones I considered great have
a very realistic view of human nature and it's limitations. The only
exception that I know has left the profession, in my opinion because he
couldn't reconcile the cynicism engendered by being an engineer with his
own strongly held religious beliefs.

So if my experience is any guide I hope for your sake that you're
engaging someone who is either cynical or a hardened realist. If you
don't, you're going to get to the end of your project with one of those
nightmare products that turn young optimistic engineers into old cynical
ones, and potentially profitable business ventures into case studies for
"Inc." magazine.

Now, now, now, I resemble your remarks. I am only a partial asshole
;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Larkin]

And since I did make an unfortunate comment or two, I would also like to
add that in my career, with one exception, all of the truly good
engineers have been deeply cynical, and the ones I considered great have
a very realistic view of human nature and it's limitations. The only
exception that I know has left the profession, in my opinion because he
couldn't reconcile the cynicism engendered by being an engineer with his
own strongly held religious beliefs.

So if my experience is any guide I hope for your sake that you're
engaging someone who is either cynical or a hardened realist. If you
don't, you're going to get to the end of your project with one of those
nightmare products that turn young optimistic engineers into old cynical
ones, and potentially profitable business ventures into case studies for
"Inc." magazine.

Well, optimism is the worst approach to engineering design. On the
other hand, optimism is necessary at the system architecture level.

John

 

[Tim Wescott]

Well, optimism is the worst approach to engineering design. On the
other hand, optimism is necessary at the system architecture level.

John

And optimism is absolutely necessary for salesmanship and starting up a
business, as well. The difference in outlook is exemplified by this
whole thread, and is the cause of a lot of mistrust and problems between
engineering and other departments. It is very difficult to be steady
and careful about one's detailed design, and optimistic about everything
else -- yet that's how the great engineers that I know seem to manage
themselves (the merely cynical tend to top out at really good detail
designers).

Someone should probably write a book like "Women are from Venus, Men are
from Mars", only showing the difference between a good engineer and a
good marketeer. Dilbert shows the problems from an engineers
perspective, but not the root causes or their solutions (and it also
shows why being cynical is so much fun).

Probably the best save I have ever been blessed with was when Ed, our
project manager, was going on about a schedule target date. I asked a
rhetorical question that was basically "did this schedule come from you
or Sales", whereupon Ed turned to me and asked "Tim, what's the
difference between a Realist and a Cynic?". I sat still for quite a
while, my brain doing a fairly good impression of a fish out of water,
totally unable to come up with an answer, snappy or otherwise. I was
saved by Nancy, our dear, sweet software lead who I never suspected of a
hint of worldliness, much less cynicism who said "At Xyz corp -- not much!"

It took about 5 minutes for us all to stop laughing, and 10 for Ed to
get control of the room.