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Sudy Nim
- Jan 1, 1970
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Is it possible to run two portable generators in parallel?
Sudy Nim said:Is it possible to run two portable generators in parallel?
Could you point me to someplace to get a little info? I realize that two
generators need to be timed together and of equal output and balanced in
some way. If it were too expensive or complicated I would just take a pass
to something simpler.
I live in a rural area (way) outside Chicago and have a private well for my
water source. Being a stepchild to any town, I experience power outages
randomly several times a year and purchased a Generac 4000exl, which serves
all my needs except for air conditioning on occasional hot humid summer
nights. So I'm pondering to either buy a larger generator, an additional one
or live with what I got.
or you could buy yourself a couple of Honda Inverter/Gensets
and the Parallel Cable Kit and do it that way with those
sylvan butler wrote:
How do the genny's maintain sync?
torsional resonance.
Two heads on a suitably large engine is certainly viable.
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Don Young said:Possible but not practical unless the generators are designed for
parallelling. Requires careful regulation of fuel to properly hold the
frequency and to share real (resistive, in phase) power load and requires
regulation of voltage to properly share reactive (inductive or capacitive,
out of phase) power loads. Otherwise the generators will "fight" each other
trying to control the frequency and voltage.
It is much, much easier to just split the load if you want two generators.
Don Young
Dale E said:How do the genny's maintain sync?
I'm not the O.P. but I think he will find your reply as informative as
I did. Thanks.
with either, a very expensive Electronic Governers, or they don't, and
things get very intersting, very fast, and the Magic Smoke appears.
enough task. All things considered, as I do not use the generator on a
regular basis it would appear in my case, a bigger generator is the "proper"
solution. Sudy Nim
daestrom said:While at school, a student paralleled two 'small' 5kW units together close
to 180 out. These were actually MG-sets used for training where a DC motor
was used to drive the AC generator.
daestrom said:While I agree with your decision, the pros don't have any special advantage
when it comes to paralleling generators. A good base-load nuc power plant
might synch to the grid once a year or less. With ten or twelve different
operators rotating shifts, the individual that synchs-in next time may not
have done it for several years. And there's always a first time for the new
guy.
The trick is to write down exactly what you should do, in the order that you
should do it. Then, when the time comes, follow your procedure and read the
steps. Even make a check-mark by each step as you perform it if it will
help you keep track of what step you're on (thank goodness airline pilots do
this).
Yes, some of us 'old-timers' can do it in the dark, standing on our head,
with one hand tied behind our back. But the good ones still use a
check-list (did you remember to cut-in the generator cooler? how about the
day-tank level?). Train yourself to use the check-list every time, even in
an emergency, and the 'magic smoke' will stay where it belongs.
daestrom
daestrom said:While at school, a student paralleled two 'small' 5kW units together close
to 180 out. These were actually MG-sets used for training where a DC motor
was used to drive the AC generator.
Even that 'small' unit managed to rip itself from the foundation bolting and
roll over through a cinder-block wall. This was despite there being the
usual amount of protective relaying on the units (typical reverse-power,
over-current, phase-failure, etc...) Needless to say, the class was
canceled for the rest of the day.
Yes, the torsional forces created can be 'considerable'.
daestrom
P.S. No, it wasn't me
Must admit my lack of knowledge when it comes to inverters. Don't know thatUlysses said:Another consideration, as someone else pointed out, would be to get an
inverter that is designed to sync with a generator such as a Xantrax/Trace
SW series. From what I have read the output power from the two sources can
be combined for a total greater output. I have OutBack inverters and they
do not have this feature.
Many (or most) of us here use a large battery bank and inverters for our
main power supply. The batteries are charged via solar panels, wind
generators, or generators with various battery chargers. The result is a
pretty-much-uninterupted power supply with (assuming you have a good
inverter) high quality output. Personally I mainly use my generator only
for charging my battery bank but sometimes I'll use it to run a heavy load
for a short time (such as an air compressor) just because it's more
efficient for me to do it that way.
It's possible to start out fairly small with a battery/inverter systems if
you can manage your loads but old batteries do not usually mix well with new
batteries so it's generally better to figure out how much battery power you
need in advance and just get the bigger battery bank. I got by for years
with four 6 volt golf cart batteries, a $100 inverter, and a 2000 watt
generator. I did, however, need a 5000 watt generator for about 15-30
minutes a day to pump water and run my compressor.
Sudy Nim said:Must admit my lack of knowledge when it comes to inverters. Don't know that
I ever saw one. I have looked into getting a larger generator but the next
size up (to power an air conditioner) is really too big. At the moment my
4000-watt is convenient and adequate for nearly all my needs. It will easily
handle lights, water, refrigerator, TV and furnace in the winter only
lacking that occasional "cooling" option in the summer. Not sure what I will
do yet.
Thank you Vaughn. That's a suggestion I can easily live with. Sudy NimVaughn Simon said:What many Floridians do is buy a cheap window unit and just keep it on a
shelf. Your 4000-watt generator will start & run at least a 5000 (and probably
an 8000) BTU unit which you could use to create a "cool room". It is also
useful if your central AC unit goes out.
Vaughn