OT: Where to buy big plastic anchors for concrete?

[Joerg]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

 

[Pooh Bear]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

You mean the things for bolting into walls and concrete ?
Over here it would be the trade name Rawlplug. No idea if that's in the US too.

Graham

 

[[email protected]]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

These?

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=Fischer+Dübel&btnG=Search

 

[John Fields]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

 

[Joerg]

These?

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=Fischer+Dübel&btnG=Search

Exactly, their larger brethren. The hardware stores around here do not
carry them at all.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

I'm sure they're available at Home Depot or Lowe's.

But I prefer the lead version where you hammer in a steel rod. That's
the way I attached the steel frame to the concrete deck for my big
BBQ/outdoor kitchen. I generally use the 1/4" size and use a hammer
drill to get a good clean hole. (I'm even so picky I vacuum out the
dust before inserting the anchor ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Joerg]

Hello John,

Can't you use lag shields? Infinitely (well...) stronger than Nylon
and probably need about the same size hole to go into.

They need a bigger hole but that's not the problem. Although, I have to
drill through porcelain tile, very, very tough :-(

The main issue in this case is that lag shields or lead anchors don't
provide any tension and I am mounting a ceramic base which won't provide
any either. That easily rocks loose. Ok, that could be overcome but the
main issue is that I have to pre-drill while the final position isn't
going to be 100% predictable. Nylon anchors are forgiving and you can
place their slots in the direction the screw might have to veer. Lag
shield only take screws straight. If you aren't 100% lined up it's not
going in. Forcing it might crack the ceramic base.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Hello John,



They need a bigger hole but that's not the problem. Although, I have to
drill through porcelain tile, very, very tough :-(

The main issue in this case is that lag shields or lead anchors don't
provide any tension and I am mounting a ceramic base which won't provide
any either. That easily rocks loose. Ok, that could be overcome but the
main issue is that I have to pre-drill while the final position isn't
going to be 100% predictable. Nylon anchors are forgiving and you can
place their slots in the direction the screw might have to veer. Lag
shield only take screws straight. If you aren't 100% lined up it's not
going in. Forcing it might crack the ceramic base.

Mounting something OVER tile? Naughty! Naughty! ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

Mounting something OVER tile? Naughty! Naughty! ;-)

Yes, a floor-mount back-discharge toilet. HUGE. And a nightmare.

 

[[email protected]]

Hello Jim,


Yes, a floor-mount back-discharge toilet. HUGE. And a nightmare.

Is there any particular reason why a standard toilet would be
insufficient?

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

I'm sure they're available at Home Depot or Lowe's.

Nope. Was at both. Plus some other stores.

But I prefer the lead version where you hammer in a steel rod. That's
the way I attached the steel frame to the concrete deck for my big
BBQ/outdoor kitchen. I generally use the 1/4" size and use a hammer
drill to get a good clean hole. (I'm even so picky I vacuum out the
dust before inserting the anchor ;-)

Oh, I did the same when I set the anchors for the posts of a heavy steel
gate. Used a straw taped to the shop vac hose to make sure it's all out.
Sure enough, one of the lead anchors came out when I tightened the bolt.
Had to jackhammer a hole and use mortar :-(

This stuff never happened with nylon anchors and I have set thousands of
those.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Hello Jim,


Yes, a floor-mount back-discharge toilet. HUGE. And a nightmare.

SOME OF US are steady enough to use a small high speed diamond saw (†)
and remove just the right amount of tile so you can mount to concrete,
then grout around ;-)

† Battery-powered Makita with its own little water bottle.

I also have a table wet saw.

I've been laying tile since the early '70's... I consider it
therapeutic ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Jim Thompson]

Hello Jim,



Nope. Was at both. Plus some other stores.



Oh, I did the same when I set the anchors for the posts of a heavy steel
gate. Used a straw taped to the shop vac hose to make sure it's all out.
Sure enough, one of the lead anchors came out when I tightened the bolt.
Had to jackhammer a hole and use mortar :-(

This stuff never happened with nylon anchors and I have set thousands of
those.

Quikcrete covers a lot of sins... particularly good for setting
wrought iron posts for decorative patio fencing. It expands when it
sets up.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Joerg]

Is there any particular reason why a standard toilet would be
insufficient?

Yes, because the waste pipe goes into the wall. There is no floor flange
and re-plumbing was not an option due to tight space underneath.
Unfortunately most waste pipe in the US is only 3" so you need to vent
within a few feet downstream, says code. The price difference between
back discharge toilets and normal ones is about 6dB and they are all
special order. Took four attempts to deliver one that wasn't shattered
to pieces :-(

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

SOME OF US are steady enough to use a small high speed diamond saw (†)
and remove just the right amount of tile so you can mount to concrete,
then grout around ;-)

† Battery-powered Makita with its own little water bottle.

Well, yeah, but I don't want to create a science project out of this and
buy yet another tool.

I also have a table wet saw.

So do I and I wore it down pretty good. But it still runs.

I've been laying tile since the early '70's... I consider it
therapeutic ;-)

I hate it, especially when you have to do it in a house where you are
living at the same time. Unoccupied space is very different because you
can run the saw inside.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

Quikcrete covers a lot of sins... particularly good for setting
wrought iron posts for decorative patio fencing. It expands when it
sets up.

I do it the old-fashioned way. Cement, sand, wheel barrow, shovel,
water, beer bottle

 

[Pooh Bear]

Yes, because the waste pipe goes into the wall. There is no floor flange
and re-plumbing was not an option due to tight space underneath.
Unfortunately most waste pipe in the US is only 3" so you need to vent
within a few feet downstream, says code. The price difference between
back discharge toilets and normal ones is about 6dB and they are all
special order. Took four attempts to deliver one that wasn't shattered
to pieces :-(

Curious. I need to fit a new loo really. Well several pieces of bathroom stuff
actually. My existing loo has a floor outlet but all the new ones I've seen here
are now 'back discharge'. Must look into it. Changing preferences I guess.

Graham

 

[Don Lancaster]

Hello Folks,

I know this is way OT but after not finding a solution on sites where
plumbers and masons hang out I figured there are a lot of people here
who work on their homes and might know:

Where can I find large plastic anchors that can take 5/16" lag screws?
Good ones are made from Nylon. I need sturdy industry grade ones, not
the flimsy coned-shaped thingies.

If there are any Germans who live in the US: What I am looking for are
"Fischer Duebel".

http://www.mcmaster.com/

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[Jim Thompson]

Hello Jim,


Well, yeah, but I don't want to create a science project out of this and
buy yet another tool.



So do I and I wore it down pretty good. But it still runs.



I hate it, especially when you have to do it in a house where you are
living at the same time. Unoccupied space is very different because you
can run the saw inside.

It never gets cold here, so it's outside in the side yard. Just stop
before noon and it's always in the shade ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Jim Thompson]

Hello Jim,


I do it the old-fashioned way. Cement, sand, wheel barrow, shovel,
water, beer bottle

You put BEER in your mix ?

...Jim Thompson