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aussiblu

Jan 1, 1970
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I recently bought an TDK/Imation I-Wave (see
http://www.tdk-media.com.au/products/iPod_Docking/iWave.pdf for
brochure) as a birthday present for my son with the intention he
use it as a clock-radio as well as a docking station for his
various Ipods. It works fine as a Ipod docking station and as
an FM radio (although the touch controls are bit hit and miss
and fiddly). However, the main bugbear is that in clock mode
it only displays 24 hour time rather than 12 hour am/pm time.
Yes it easy to deduct 12 hours to get a PM time but my son (and
I) find this annoying. The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr display and you can see there are am pm flags
in the LCD display. We contacted Imation to see if there was a
way to change the display to 12 hour format but after several
weeks and various emails the email reply today is: "I have just
received a response from Jason Oh the product manager for these
products and his comments as to the 12/24hr clock are...... "I
have checked with the factory, the 24 hour clock is not a design
fault for TDK LoR iWave ADS-50SS. It is a design theme for the
model concept." "

My reply to this was:

"This is akin to Microsoft bugs being described as an
"undocumented feature". The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr mode and the LCD has an "am" and "pm" flag so
it seems there was meant to be provision for it. What household
in Australia wants a 24 hour time display? AM/PM is the norm
and I will be returning to the retailer as "not fit for
purpose." "

If it was a DVD recorder or something similar I could live with
it but this thing is in part promoted as a clock radio. What do
you think? Am I right in assuming Australia time standard is
the 12 hour mode. I see BOMA uses 12 hour am/pm it for weather
forecasts and outside of shortwave broadcast I am not aware of
any radio or TV station in Australia that announces the "19:00
Hours news" rather than the "7 pm News". Does anyone know if
there is actually an Australian standard as such or there has
been some formal Government adoption of the 12 hour format?

I'm not really that stressed about it and I expect JB HiFi would
accept the return anyway if we pursue that but I am just
interested in forum member's views on:

a) any evidence of Australia having formally adopted the 12 hour
am/pm time standard;
b) the acceptability of promoting a product in Australia as in
part a clock radio without making it clear it only has a 24 hour
format; and
c) if anyone has opened one up or has a circuit diagram and
found a internal switch or hard wiring option to change the time
format?

BTW the thing works fine as an FM radio and Ipod docking station
and sounds great given its size and price.
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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aussiblu said:
I recently bought an TDK/Imation I-Wave (see
http://www.tdk-media.com.au/products/iPod_Docking/iWave.pdf for
brochure) as a birthday present for my son with the intention he
use it as a clock-radio as well as a docking station for his
various Ipods. It works fine as a Ipod docking station and as
an FM radio (although the touch controls are bit hit and miss
and fiddly). However, the main bugbear is that in clock mode
it only displays 24 hour time rather than 12 hour am/pm time.
Yes it easy to deduct 12 hours to get a PM time but my son (and
I) find this annoying. The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr display and you can see there are am pm flags
in the LCD display. We contacted Imation to see if there was a
way to change the display to 12 hour format but after several
weeks and various emails the email reply today is: "I have just
received a response from Jason Oh the product manager for these
products and his comments as to the 12/24hr clock are...... "I
have checked with the factory, the 24 hour clock is not a design
fault for TDK LoR iWave ADS-50SS. It is a design theme for the
model concept." "

My reply to this was:

"This is akin to Microsoft bugs being described as an
"undocumented feature". The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr mode and the LCD has an "am" and "pm" flag so
it seems there was meant to be provision for it. What household
in Australia wants a 24 hour time display? AM/PM is the norm
and I will be returning to the retailer as "not fit for
purpose." "

If it was a DVD recorder or something similar I could live with
it but this thing is in part promoted as a clock radio. What do
you think? Am I right in assuming Australia time standard is
the 12 hour mode. I see BOMA uses 12 hour am/pm it for weather
forecasts and outside of shortwave broadcast I am not aware of
any radio or TV station in Australia that announces the "19:00
Hours news" rather than the "7 pm News". Does anyone know if
there is actually an Australian standard as such or there has
been some formal Government adoption of the 12 hour format?

No idea.
To what end though? It isn't going to make a lick of difference in the case
of a consumer clock.
Products have had one, the other, or both for a long time now.
Buy can buy a watch that displays the time in binary too if that's what you
want.
Take it back if you are not happy, simple as that.
I'm not really that stressed about it and I expect JB HiFi would
accept the return anyway if we pursue that but I am just
interested in forum member's views on:
b) the acceptability of promoting a product in Australia as in
part a clock radio without making it clear it only has a 24 hour
format; and

Companies can market anything they like, if people aren't happy with it then
the product will die naturally in the market.
FWIW, I'd be unhappy with it too. A clock radio should have selectable
12/24hr display IMHO

Dave.
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
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David said:
Companies can market anything they like, if people aren't happy with it then
the product will die naturally in the market.
FWIW, I'd be unhappy with it too. A clock radio should have selectable
12/24hr display IMHO

The other side of the coin, 30 years ago, I wanted to purchase a clock
for my brother-in-law (VK3GB). He wanted it to display in 24 hour
format, to assist him with his global chats.

Looking around, first shop I went into, salesman claimed all clocks show
24 hours. This wasn't going to be easy to explain, or find. :)

I'm with Dave, should be selectable for general consumption.

Don...


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Luke O'Zade

Jan 1, 1970
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aussiblu said:
I recently bought an TDK/Imation I-Wave (see
http://www.tdk-media.com.au/products/iPod_Docking/iWave.pdf for
brochure) as a birthday present for my son with the intention he
use it as a clock-radio as well as a docking station for his
various Ipods. It works fine as a Ipod docking station and as
an FM radio (although the touch controls are bit hit and miss
and fiddly). However, the main bugbear is that in clock mode
it only displays 24 hour time rather than 12 hour am/pm time.
Yes it easy to deduct 12 hours to get a PM time but my son (and
I) find this annoying. The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr display and you can see there are am pm flags
in the LCD display. We contacted Imation to see if there was a
way to change the display to 12 hour format but after several
weeks and various emails the email reply today is: "I have just
received a response from Jason Oh the product manager for these
products and his comments as to the 12/24hr clock are...... "I
have checked with the factory, the 24 hour clock is not a design
fault for TDK LoR iWave ADS-50SS. It is a design theme for the
model concept." "

My reply to this was:

"This is akin to Microsoft bugs being described as an
"undocumented feature". The instruction manual
http://www.tdk-media.com.sg/sg/products/peripherals/manual/iwave.pdf
refers to a 12 hr mode and the LCD has an "am" and "pm" flag so
it seems there was meant to be provision for it. What household
in Australia wants a 24 hour time display? AM/PM is the norm
and I will be returning to the retailer as "not fit for
purpose." "

If it was a DVD recorder or something similar I could live with
it but this thing is in part promoted as a clock radio. What do
you think? Am I right in assuming Australia time standard is
the 12 hour mode. I see BOMA uses 12 hour am/pm it for weather
forecasts and outside of shortwave broadcast I am not aware of
any radio or TV station in Australia that announces the "19:00
Hours news" rather than the "7 pm News". Does anyone know if
there is actually an Australian standard as such or there has
been some formal Government adoption of the 12 hour format?

I'm not really that stressed about it and I expect JB HiFi would
accept the return anyway if we pursue that but I am just
interested in forum member's views on:

a) any evidence of Australia having formally adopted the 12 hour
am/pm time standard;
b) the acceptability of promoting a product in Australia as in
part a clock radio without making it clear it only has a 24 hour
format; and
c) if anyone has opened one up or has a circuit diagram and
found a internal switch or hard wiring option to change the time
format?

BTW the thing works fine as an FM radio and Ipod docking station
and sounds great given its size and price.



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Blue

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All the clocks and time settings in our home are set to the 24hr system.
Very simple and user friendly..................

Rgds
 
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