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looking for: extremely ESD senistive componets - for demonstrationg safe ESD practices

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Jeff L

Jan 1, 1970
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To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)

The things that come to mind are old CMOS 4000 series logic IC's (the newer
types seem to be much more robust), small signal MOSFET's (2N700x), or maybe
a small signal RF MOSFET.


The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component, make sure the air ionization is turned off,
people are not wearing the normal ESD protective stuff (smocks, foot straps
and wrist straps), or using the conductive chairs or are on conductive
paint, etc, and have the said component passed around the room. Hopefully
someone will have a nice furry sweater on, and the humidity will be low. If
necessary, mount the part on a piece of PCB designed to encourage one person
to be touching the ground / power / source pins, while the other person
would first grab the end with the gate or I/O pins / pins exposed.


Any suggestions on what is the most sensitive component for this
application?
 
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Uwe Bonnes

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff L said:
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.
To be of use, the components have to be:
1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)
The things that come to mind are old CMOS 4000 series logic IC's (the newer
types seem to be much more robust), small signal MOSFET's (2N700x), or maybe
a small signal RF MOSFET.

The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component, make sure the air ionization is turned off,
people are not wearing the normal ESD protective stuff (smocks, foot straps
and wrist straps), or using the conductive chairs or are on conductive
paint, etc, and have the said component passed around the room. Hopefully
someone will have a nice furry sweater on, and the humidity will be low. If
necessary, mount the part on a piece of PCB designed to encourage one person
to be touching the ground / power / source pins, while the other person
would first grab the end with the gate or I/O pins / pins exposed.


Don't underestimate Murphy's Law:
If someting is considered to fail, it will not fail.
 
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whit3rd

Jan 1, 1970
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To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.
The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component,
[and demonstrate failure after handling]


There's a gizmo used by shippers called a 'shockwatch' that
does this kind of task. Various types are used, like a prestressed
glass tube of dye, weight-trapped-by-springs, etc. If the
package to which the shockwatch is attached takes a
hard bump or fall, the dye stains a card, or the weight dislodges.

So, I'd think in terms of a power MOSFET with gate floating,
with a battery/diode to bias D-S to 5V or so, and a fuse in the
drain (maybe 0.5 A). If the gate turns hard ON, the fuse blows.
This all goes on a plug-in card with card-edge fingers that
your testers will be touching or getting near to. Make sure some
of the touchable metal connects to the battery +5V, if you
don't want to trust in static.

Your test circuit will operate from a higher voltage (like, 12V) and
will
pass only 100 mA of current in, say, an audio buffer amp application.
When in-circuit, the diode reverse biases so the battery isn't part
of the active circuit. When out of circuit, leakage keeps the gate
turned off (mainly).

Most modern MOSFETs are gate-protected (I well remember the
screams from RF designers back in the 1970s when unprotected
MOS got dropped from the product lines), but this approach doesn't
require the voltage stress to be outside the normal device range,
so shouldn't be subject to effective gate-voltage-protection built
into the MOSFET. The fuses, though, are gonna need replacement.
 
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Don Lancaster

Jan 1, 1970
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whit3rd said:
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)

To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component,

[and demonstrate failure after handling]


There's a gizmo used by shippers called a 'shockwatch' that
does this kind of task. Various types are used, like a prestressed
glass tube of dye, weight-trapped-by-springs, etc. If the
package to which the shockwatch is attached takes a
hard bump or fall, the dye stains a card, or the weight dislodges.

So, I'd think in terms of a power MOSFET with gate floating,
with a battery/diode to bias D-S to 5V or so, and a fuse in the
drain (maybe 0.5 A). If the gate turns hard ON, the fuse blows.
This all goes on a plug-in card with card-edge fingers that
your testers will be touching or getting near to. Make sure some
of the touchable metal connects to the battery +5V, if you
don't want to trust in static.

Your test circuit will operate from a higher voltage (like, 12V) and
will
pass only 100 mA of current in, say, an audio buffer amp application.
When in-circuit, the diode reverse biases so the battery isn't part
of the active circuit. When out of circuit, leakage keeps the gate
turned off (mainly).

Most modern MOSFETs are gate-protected (I well remember the
screams from RF designers back in the 1970s when unprotected
MOS got dropped from the product lines), but this approach doesn't
require the voltage stress to be outside the normal device range,
so shouldn't be subject to effective gate-voltage-protection built
into the MOSFET. The fuses, though, are gonna need replacement.


I suspect these are old enough to have static sensitivity issues...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-100-Motorol...yZ109456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


url may need splicing.

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Many thanks,

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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Barry Lennox

Jan 1, 1970
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To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)

The things that come to mind are old CMOS 4000 series logic IC's (the newer
types seem to be much more robust), small signal MOSFET's (2N700x), or maybe
a small signal RF MOSFET.


The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component, make sure the air ionization is turned off,
people are not wearing the normal ESD protective stuff (smocks, foot straps
and wrist straps), or using the conductive chairs or are on conductive
paint, etc, and have the said component passed around the room. Hopefully
someone will have a nice furry sweater on, and the humidity will be low. If
necessary, mount the part on a piece of PCB designed to encourage one person
to be touching the ground / power / source pins, while the other person
would first grab the end with the gate or I/O pins / pins exposed.

1N23s are very sensitive, but fail badly on points 1 and 2 above.
I don't know how costly or available the 40673 and 3N140 DG Mosfets
are these days, but they were pretty easy to damage.

Failing that, old CMOS should do, the older and cheaper the better.

I did a few demo/tutorials on ESD a while ago, and while I did not
damage anything, an electrophorus was great fun and much appreciated.
I just used it to fire a neon bulb.

See the IEEE "EMC Education Manual" page 13 for details on it,
although I did not need the Teflon sheet specified, polythene worked
fine. You can download it from here:

http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pdf/EMCman.pdf


Barry
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff L said:
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers
of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

Any suggestions on what is the most sensitive component for this
application?

Since it matters I would suggest you set up a door.....

Then you get one of your Mum type employees to play tag with you.

You go through the door and slam it.

She says.....

'Don't slam the door.'

You go through the door and slam it.

She says......

'Don't slam the door.'

You go through the door and slam it.

She says in a slightly louder voice....

'Don't slam the door.'

You put on a 'pained' face.

You go through the door and slam it.

She cuffs you around the ear and says, in a menacing way.

'Don't slam the door!'

You say

'Sorry Mum.'

You go through the door three times without slamming it.

Then you go through the door again and slam it.

She smacks you about the head and screams.

'Don't slam the fucking door you piece of fucking shit!!!!!!!!'

Now, this could carry on through your indignant phase but sometime close,
during or after that point you carry on to explain, properly like, the
systems you have in place to avoid all that ESD stress in the first place.

And then you keep on reminding the little fuckers.

DNA
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Genome said:
Since it matters I would suggest you set up a door.....

Then you get one of your Mum type employees to play tag with you.

You go through the door and slam it.

She says.....

'Don't slam the door.'

You go through the door and slam it.

She says......

'Don't slam the door.'

You go through the door and slam it.

She says in a slightly louder voice....

'Don't slam the door.'

You put on a 'pained' face.

You go through the door and slam it.

She cuffs you around the ear and says, in a menacing way.

'Don't slam the door!'

You say

'Sorry Mum.'

You go through the door three times without slamming it.

Then you go through the door again and slam it.

She smacks you about the head and screams.

'Don't slam the fucking door you piece of fucking shit!!!!!!!!'

Now, this could carry on through your indignant phase but sometime close,
during or after that point you carry on to explain, properly like, the
systems you have in place to avoid all that ESD stress in the first place.

And then you keep on reminding the little fuckers.

DNA

Sorry, and the other side of the deal is you make sure you give them the
tools to do the job.

DNA
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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whit3rd said:
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)

To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component,

[and demonstrate failure after handling]


There's a gizmo used by shippers called a 'shockwatch' that
does this kind of task. Various types are used, like a prestressed
glass tube of dye, weight-trapped-by-springs, etc. If the
package to which the shockwatch is attached takes a
hard bump or fall, the dye stains a card, or the weight dislodges.

So, I'd think in terms of a power MOSFET with gate floating,
with a battery/diode to bias D-S to 5V or so, and a fuse in the
drain (maybe 0.5 A). If the gate turns hard ON, the fuse blows.
This all goes on a plug-in card with card-edge fingers that
your testers will be touching or getting near to. Make sure some
of the touchable metal connects to the battery +5V, if you
don't want to trust in static.

Your test circuit will operate from a higher voltage (like, 12V) and
will
pass only 100 mA of current in, say, an audio buffer amp application.
When in-circuit, the diode reverse biases so the battery isn't part
of the active circuit. When out of circuit, leakage keeps the gate
turned off (mainly).

Most modern MOSFETs are gate-protected (I well remember the
screams from RF designers back in the 1970s when unprotected
MOS got dropped from the product lines), but this approach doesn't
require the voltage stress to be outside the normal device range,
so shouldn't be subject to effective gate-voltage-protection built
into the MOSFET. The fuses, though, are gonna need replacement.


I suspect these are old enough to have static sensitivity issues...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-100-Motorol...yZ109456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You think newer discreet devices are less sensitive? What a loon you
are.
 
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Terry Given

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff said:
To help back up the trainings of my employees about the potential dangers of
ESD, I'm looking for the most ESD sensitive components.

To be of use, the components have to be:

1) cheap (they will be destroyed in the demonstration)
2) easy to obtain (MR heads don't count for this reason)
3) easy to show some form of functionality (MR heads are also not good for
this reason)

The things that come to mind are old CMOS 4000 series logic IC's (the newer
types seem to be much more robust), small signal MOSFET's (2N700x), or maybe
a small signal RF MOSFET.


The intent is to build something like a LED flasher / sequencer, remove the
said ESD sensitive component, make sure the air ionization is turned off,
people are not wearing the normal ESD protective stuff (smocks, foot straps
and wrist straps), or using the conductive chairs or are on conductive
paint, etc, and have the said component passed around the room. Hopefully
someone will have a nice furry sweater on, and the humidity will be low. If
necessary, mount the part on a piece of PCB designed to encourage one person
to be touching the ground / power / source pins, while the other person
would first grab the end with the gate or I/O pins / pins exposed.


Any suggestions on what is the most sensitive component for this
application?

laser diodes

Cheers
Terry
 
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Jeff L

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks Everyone!

A special thanks goes to Barry for the link to the "electrophorus" and some
sensitive part numbers!

Jeff
 
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Barry Lennox

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks Everyone!

A special thanks goes to Barry for the link to the "electrophorus" and some
sensitive part numbers!

Jeff

You will have a lot of fun fooling with it, and determining the best
combinations of plastic sheet and cloth. Rabbit skin is supposed to be
well up there, but it was hard to find.

A few hardy souls in the class were prepared to take a little zap off
it.!

Barry
 
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Lionel

Jan 1, 1970
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How about something similar to ESD damage, but not really damaged. I'm
thinking of a fet in series with a LED and resistor. Float the gate of
the fet. Perhaps touching this gate will cause the LED to light due to
charge transfer. I never tried this, but it could work.

I've tried this, & it works fine. You don't even have to touch the
gate pin to enable it, just waving your hand nearby can switch it on,
which looks impressive as hell.
 
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Lionel

Jan 1, 1970
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I did a few demo/tutorials on ESD a while ago, and while I did not
damage anything, an electrophorus was great fun and much appreciated.
I just used it to fire a neon bulb.

See the IEEE "EMC Education Manual" page 13 for details on it,
although I did not need the Teflon sheet specified, polythene worked
fine. You can download it from here:

http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pdf/EMCman.pdf

Oh man, that is one nifty document. I'm going to have to build a few
of those experiments just for the fun of it.

Thanks for the link, Barry.
 
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Barry Lennox

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh man, that is one nifty document. I'm going to have to build a few
of those experiments just for the fun of it.

Thanks for the link, Barry.

I did one of John Howard's courses 4 years ago (He's on the IEEE EMC
Society Education Committee) and he said they were in the process of
updating and expanding that EMC manual. It hasn't happened yet, but it
should be very good when it's done. You might want to check their site
from time to time.

Barry
 
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