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Eric Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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Does anyone have any idea in what years some of the now-common
transistors and diodes were originally introduced? For instance,

1N914
1N4001
1N5817

2N2222
2N3055
2N3904
2N3906
2N4401

Thanks!
Eric
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Eric,

Does anyone have any idea in what years some of the now-common
transistors and diodes were originally introduced? For instance,

You'd have to find old data sheets. The ones I have may not be the
oldest but in case it helps here are some data sheet print dates:

March 1973
Dec 1973
Dec 1973


Again, there are probably older ones. Maybe one of the data sheet
archive sites could be of help.

Come to think of it, I am still using the 2222 in new designs. Same with
CD4000 logic, more than 30 years in production and still kicking. And cheap.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Stan Barr

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Eric,



You'd have to find old data sheets. The ones I have may not be the
oldest but in case it helps here are some data sheet print dates:


March 1973

Dec 1973

Dec 1973

All three are listed in my 1970 data book, but not in my 1964 ARRL handbook.
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Tim Shoppa

Jan 1, 1970
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Eric said:
Does anyone have any idea in what years some of the now-common
transistors and diodes were originally introduced? For instance,

1N914
1N4001
1N5817

2N2222
2N3055
2N3904
2N3906
2N4401

That's a good question. In principle all the 1N/2N part numbers were
registered with JEDEC and they ought to have a way of getting to
registration dates. As a practical matter my attempts to navigate the
JEDEC website to find this information in general have failed. They do
say they will sell you the original registration datasheets at 25cents
a page, $10 minimum.

Registration date is not necessarily the same as production date but
shouldn't be too far off.

Joerg's reply seems (to me!) nonsensical because I know all your named
non-plastic parts were well into mass production in the 60's. The date
you read off the top of a data sheet is not necessarily the original
production date because it is entirely possible the data sheet was
re-issued.

My guess as to 2N chronologies, based entirely on some 60's-era TI
"bulletin" dates and done under the assumption that they are at least
somewhat chronological:

2N117 is 1958
2N33x are arealy 1959
2N11xx are early 1962
2N22xx are late 1962
2N30xx are mid 1963
2N32xx are early 1965
2N44xx are mid 1966

Many of those numbers were originally issued by Motorola or Fairchild
but my 60's era Motorola books aren't nearly as complete. I would guess
the Moto sheets have slightly earlier dates. I don't think I've ever
seen much in the way of 60's-era Fairchild databooks.

By the early 70's TI and some others have most of their new parts
outside the JEDEC standard 2N series. At that point plastic packaging
for consumer and non-milspec-non-aerospace stuff really takes off and
the manufacturers start doing their own numbering (often riffing on the
original 2N numbers but not always!)

Just to confuse things even more, the JEDEC web page says they didn't
exist before 1960, so obviously the 2N11x numbers predate JEDEC, but
probably have something to do with EIA. I don't know how RETMA figures
into it.

And in the case of the 1N series I think any assumptions about
sequential assignment of numbers are probably pure BS past the early
60's. Unfortunately my earliest TI diode datasheets mentioning your
part numbers have dates of early 70's on them and those dates cannot be
right for the 1N914.

I did find a 1N4148 TI bulletin dated October 1966, and that might be
too late by only a couple of years :).

The JEDEC website says the 1N3091 was registered in May 1960 and the
1N3595 was 11/5/1962. At that point I'm already very critical of the
thought of sequential assignment.

Tim.
 
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Bruce Hoult

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim Shoppa said:
That's a good question. In principle all the 1N/2N part numbers were
registered with JEDEC and they ought to have a way of getting to
registration dates. As a practical matter my attempts to navigate the
JEDEC website to find this information in general have failed. They do
say they will sell you the original registration datasheets at 25cents
a page, $10 minimum.

What about things sucvh as the BC107/108/109 which seemed to be
ubiquitous in magazine designs in the 80's?
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Stan,
All three are listed in my 1970 data book, but not in my 1964 ARRL handbook.


That's what I thought. Even if the data sheets are original they often
are revised and most of the time they don't publish a revision history
with them (they should).

1964 were the Ge days. Luckily I kept lots of diodes and transistors
from back then. A couple of weeks ago that saved our bacon when I could
not buy a new 1.35V mercury battery for our older Minolta. They are now
banned, for good reason. The old OA91 Ge diode was just the ticket to
modify it for a 1.55V coin cell and drop those 200mV nicely.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Bruce,
What about things sucvh as the BC107/108/109 which seemed to be
ubiquitous in magazine designs in the 80's?

Those are European numbers, mostly German. But it may be even harder to
find original data sheet dates for those since Siemens (now Infineon)
and others have that dreaded tendency to drop data sheets soon after
something went obsolete. Then you can only use data sheet web archives
and you never know whether the date on there is truly the birthday.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Tim,
Joerg's reply seems (to me!) nonsensical because I know all your named
non-plastic parts were well into mass production in the 60's. The date
you read off the top of a data sheet is not necessarily the original
production date because it is entirely possible the data sheet was
re-issued.

Well, I did mention that the dates probably aren't the earliest. Just
wanted to start it. Short of paying JEDEC the bucks the only way to get
a clue here is to "peel the onion". IOW people look and post their data
sheet dates, then if someone else finds an older one he or she posts that.

I bet that someone like Winfield Hill would know. He must have picked
these transistors off the conveyor when they were still wet, to try them
out. I just wasn't old enough, plus I certainly didn't have the
connections back then.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Ross Herbert

Jan 1, 1970
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What about things sucvh as the BC107/108/109 which seemed to be
ubiquitous in magazine designs in the 80's?

My Philips "Miniwatt" [the (then) tube and semiconductor manufacturing
branch of Philips in Australia] shortform catalogue published in the
3rd month of 1964 lists both the BC107 and 109 but not the 108 so it
is probable that these types were introduced in 1963 or thereabouts.
 
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Stan Barr

Jan 1, 1970
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1964 were the Ge days. Luckily I kept lots of diodes and transistors
from back then. A couple of weeks ago that saved our bacon when I could
not buy a new 1.35V mercury battery for our older Minolta. They are now
banned, for good reason. The old OA91 Ge diode was just the ticket to
modify it for a 1.55V coin cell and drop those 200mV nicely.

I've recently done exactly the same thing to keep my Sekonic spot meter
running! (Altough I've had digital cameras for over 10 years, I still
have a well-used collection of real film kit - used for black&white
these days...)
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Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
(Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)

The future was never like this!
 
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CBFalconer

Jan 1, 1970
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Stan said:
I've recently done exactly the same thing to keep my Sekonic spot meter
running! (Altough I've had digital cameras for over 10 years, I still
have a well-used collection of real film kit - used for black&white
these days...)

Why not use the saturated collector drop of a silicon transistor?

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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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CBFalconer wrote:

Why not use the saturated collector drop of a silicon transistor?

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Because typically you only have access to one wire, not both wires of
the load. Also, a diode is only one part :)

Regards, Joerg
 
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Stan Barr

Jan 1, 1970
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CBFalconer wrote:



Because typically you only have access to one wire, not both wires of
the load. Also, a diode is only one part :)

Also I happened to have a number of miniature, grain-of-rice size,
germanium diodes that fitted easily in the limited space available.


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Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
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The future was never like this!
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Stan,
Also I happened to have a number of miniature, grain-of-rice size,
germanium diodes that fitted easily in the limited space available.

Nice! My smallest type on hand is the OA91, still about the length of
two grains of rise. But in the older Minolta SRT series there was a
surprising amount of space available.

There really is not much else to adapt a 1.55V cell. Transistor
saturation voltages are too low at the 100uA range of CdS sensing
circuits. Unless you keep base current low but then it becomes too
fickle for my taste. Schottkys are sometimes used but I didn't like them
this far down the curve, too much variation in my case.

Regards, Joerg
 
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