Discussion in 'Electronics Homework Help' started by Edward1212, Oct 9, 2017.
The circuit consists of a fixed-gain amplifier (opamp with R3, R4) and a positive feedback function. Hence, where is the problem to find the signal-flow graph?
There are two RC lowpass networks, R1 and C1 and R2 and C2. Each RC network has an output of -3dB at the cutoff frequency.
Actually, the positive feedback occurs only near the cutoff frequency so that the -6dB response is boosted to be -3dB and the cutoff is sharp instead of droopy.
No - it is obvious that the feedback network consists of a band pass (highpass C1-R1, lowpass R2-C2).
As a consequence, there is no lowpass -6dB response.
I disagree. C1-R1 is a lowpass, not a highpass.
If C1 connects to ground instead of the the opamp output then there is no boost and the output at the cutoff frequency will be -6dB and the slope will gradually be 12dB per octave.
We are discussing the FEEDBACK network. Hence, you have to look into the circuit from the opamp output.
You cannot deny that - in this case - the feedback network resembles the well known highpass-lowpass CR-RC bandpass characteristic. This is a well-known property of a positive-gain Sallen-Key lowpass.
The bandpass circuit occurs only near the cutoff frequency to boost the response so that it has flat levels at low frequencies, -3dB at the cutoff frequency instead of a droopy -6dB and a sharp 12dB per octave slope at higher frequencies. Above the cutoff frequency both RC networks are lowpass filters.
I don`t understand your position.
A bandpass is a bandpass - full stop.
Just one question, which can be answered with yes/no:
Do you agree that - between the ouput pin and the non-inv. input of the opamp - there is the classical four-element ladder network C1-R1-R2-C2 ? And this is the well known RC-bandpass.
How can you say that "Above the cutoff frequency both RC networks are lowpass filters"?
At first, we don`t have two RC-networks because you are not allowed to separate them, because they influence each other.
Secondly, the series cap C1 - of course - has highpass properties. I don`t think that you will argue against this.
I see the circuit as two lowpass RC networks at frequencies above cutoff like this:
OK - I know what you mean. But that does not answer the question.
The question concerns the corresponding signal-flow diagram (which shows forward and backward ways.).
That is the background we are speaking about FEEDBACK.
And - it does not matter how the circuit looks like without feedback.
It is a fact that the Sallen-Key lowpass has a feedback function that resembles a bandpass.
This is the background for realizing a complex pole pair.
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