Free Energy / Energy Harvesters / Perpetual Motion

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    Always a good read Hevans.
    I was dancing around the theory of the technology being suppressed... As powerful as people may be, we as people can be incredibly resourceful and have / still can hide things from any puppeteers who want to squash these ideas.
    Maybe I'm just being naive, but if such a technology does exist, I would expect to see the information about it leaked somewhere... Youtube and WikiLeaks most certainly do not count as methods to 'leak' information... and neither does google xD
    This is an entirely different topic though, and I'm intrigued by the detail you put into extracting energy from a vacuum... I will borrow some of those words when I describe the affects of someone trying to build a wide-band RF energy harvester by connecting an antenna to a rectifier ;)
     
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    Another thing to consider is the search for better than break-even fusion reactors. Billions (maybe trillions) of dollars have been invested in this effort world-wide, and a lot of new science has been discovered, not to mention the advent of super-computers to model thermonuclear reactions of all sorts. No luck so far. If "free energy" does exist, and its practical application demonstrated and subsequently suppressed, why the continued interest in thermonuclear power generation?

    Sure, there is plenty of deuterium available if that is the fuel of choice, but how can that possibly beat "free"? And why does the Star Trek Enterprise need dilithium crystals when it is surrounded by vacuum with energy free for the taking? Oops. That's still fiction. The dilithium crystals I mean. Well, the Enterprise, anyway... the rocket scientists in Huntsville AL may be onto something with pulsed fusion using dilithium crystals.

    Solar energy comes closest to being "free" for the taking, once you have the solar panels built, a team of panel washers in place to keep them clean and performing at top efficiency, another team to provide maintenance and replace defective panels, plus a way to distribute the energy without excessive losses over great distances.

    Storing solar energy is easy, if not exactly cheap: use it to pump water above a dam during the day and discharge the reservoir to generate electricity at night. A few hundred square miles of solar panels installed in the desert near Hoover Dam could do the trick. Might need to add a few more alternators at the dam to handle the increased electrical load. And some high-volume water pumps too. Might have to put out buoys to warn watercraft on Lake Mead.

    High voltage transformers, with high voltage rectifiers to make DC, could efficiently transport energy over vast distances using super-conducting underground cables, either cooled with liquid nitrogen or perhaps with room-temperature superconductors if those are ever invented. Actually, significant power (>3000 MW) is already being distributed from the Pacific Northwest Intertie to Los Angeles, California using high voltage DC transmission lines (not superconductors). So we have the technology, just not the economic incentive... yet.

    Along these lines, someone has proposed reviving Tesla's radiant energy transmission system to transmit electrical power from a solar farm, to be located near the equator, to "receivers" world-wide. This has about as much chance of being funded as Tesla's original Wardenclyffe facility that was supposed to deliver wireless power anywhere in the world. As one of Tesla's original backers noted, "You can't attach a billing meter to that!" Whereupon all of Tesla's financing was terminated with prejudice. I can't comment on the veracity of "radiant" energy. This is supposed to be an unobservable form of longitudinal (rather than transverse) electromagnetic energy, perhaps tucked away in the vaccum until released into usable energy by (suppressed) Tesla technology.
     
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    You are always a bundle of knowledge.
    The water pump trick for storing energy harvested from solar panels is a neat idea.

    As far as Tesla's technology is concerned... I'm curious how far it would have gone, there are countless people following his work and improving on it. I'm curious how well it would have worked at a larger scale.
     
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    You have to believe in Tesla's "radiant" electromagnetic energy... a form of normally unobservable longitudinal "compression wave" type electromagnetic energy, also called scalar (as compared to vector) electromagnetic fields. James Clerk Maxwell, in formulating his original twenty quarternion equations, supposedly considered, and then discarded, the notion of scalar electromagnetic fields. I don't understand quarternion math, although it has experienced somewhat of a revival in application to computer graphics, where it makes certain transformations such as the rotation of objects in 3D space "easier".

    Later, Oliver Heaviside reduced Maxwell's twenty quarternion equations involving twenty unknowns to the four vector equations in four unknowns that all electrical engineers know and love today. One of my instructors in the Catholic college from which I graduated said Maxwell's Equations were handed down to Maxwell by God, but apparently it also required the intervention of Oliver before anyone could make sense of them. Some, such as Tom Bearden, claim this was a mistake, that a lot of the truth of electromagnetic field theory was discarded by Heaviside and everyone since then. Maybe, but I haven't looked at Maxwell's original equations or learned the quarternion math needed to understand them, so I can't say Tom is right or wrong. He does write a LOT on the subject though, and has recently embraced the ECE unified field theory proposed by Myron W. Evans. It's not that the Maxwell-Heaviside Equations are wrong, but Tom (and others) believe they are incomplete.

    According to these folks, instead of building generators and connecting them to electrical loads with circuits that destroy the asymmetry of the generator's electrical dipole with current, thereby requiring a continuous input of power to restore the dipole, if we understood what was really going on in the Universe, we would be sucking free and essentially infinite power from the vacuum of space. Go figure how to do that and become either rich and famous or murdered by the global conspiracy that suppresses free energy.

    I guess at my age I will live with my monthly tithes to Dayton Power and Light and Vectren Energy, plus a fill-up or two or three at the local gasoline station for my 2002 Ford Taurus station wagon and Ford Ranger pickup truck. I also just bought some kerosene for my portable garage heater too, just in case this global warming stuff doesn't reach the Dayton OH area this winter. It's been a balmy 60° F this past week, so maybe there is some hope yet! But I hedged my bet by making sure my Craftsman snow blower is operational and filled with gasoline.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_Mountain_Pumped-Storage_Plant
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/27/2524501/hydro-pumped-storage-climate-change/
    A similar project has been proposed here.
    The south Island (where I live) is 100% hydro with power being exported to the North through a DC link mainly from Benmore which is a DC plant. I live near Clyde
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_New_Zealand
    There are a number of small stations which are not on the list.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manapouri_Power_Station
     
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    I have always loved the term "free energy". it actually should be "no ongoing costs" energy. buying a turbine, solar panel etc isn't cheap, I have been trying for ages. and then the local government puts so many restrictions on how they are used and installed that you have to have a qualified electrician to come out, plus a local builder to ensure it meets OH&S requirements, council approvals, and if you really want to hook to the grid you need their guy to come out too......
    having said that if you could find a way of turning of all the human transmissions, and find the ones that aren't human made and tap into them that would be awesome, then you could tap into them.... either that or dilithium crystals....... but that's for later lol
     
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    PerpMotion.JPG I don't know what all the fuss is about. Of course Over Unity / Perpetual Motion exists.

    Here! I invented one too! All it needs is a little shove and it runs forever!!:p:rolleyes:

    Chris
     
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    Reminds me of http://laserhacker.com/?p=214
     
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    Yes, the odds are that I saw something on the net while at the same time drinking with abandon. :D
    There is something missing from my design though. The little permanent magnet motor/generator output should be feeding a magic DC/AC converter. It's magic because with 1milliwatt input you get 1000 Megawatts output..... Really!!! :rolleyes:

    Chris
     
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    Wow. It's sounds like there's all kinds of free energy out there.
    The sun, the wind, the water, geothermal, maybe even fire.
    Too bad it costs money to harness it for human use.
    I suspect that if somebody does figure-out how to actually make it 'free' for human use, the government would tax it.
    You can't win.
    If you told most people twenty years ago a lot of us would be paying $1 for an 8 ounce bottle of water, few would have believed it.
    Anybody heard if China is charging it's people for bottled air yet?
    Then what will be next? A tax on sunshine?
     
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    I don't buy bottled water. I don't trust water that has not been Chemically treated. :p

    Chris
     
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    What, pay for bottled water and bottled air? Go read Heinlein's The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress to get some idea of where this makes a whole lot of sense. I wonder how much a sip of water or a breath of air costs for the crew on the International Space Station?
     
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    Hi, I think it is possible. And I would love to involve in this....
    There is some energy beside us which is invisible. Not because it does not exist, but it is out of our range. I found an amazing picture on this...

    http://www.rmcybernetics.com/blog/making-kirlain-photos/
    without this what so ever they call it 'Kirlain', we could not see the patterns beside it. So I believe there should be a way to build FREE ENERGY!!!!!

    [mod note .... all garbage]



    Cheers , mate, good post!
     
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    Jommorrow.
    The issue with this is that there are a few types of people when it comes to free energy
    1st sceptics these are usually the most voicestrous.
    2nd people after a quick buck. These people make allegations of achieving free energy only to be debunked. Unfortunately these are the second loudest.
    3rd are the believers. We all want to find a way but unfortunately believers have no proof. These are the 3rd loudest. And if you do hear anything over the first 2 groups these people actually cause people to want to join the sceptics as they are full of what ifs and shouldas but no actual evidence is available.
    The 4th group are unfortunately at the back of the room. They are a small group. They are introverts scared of all the yellong in front of them. They are constantly hounded by sceptics and nonbelievers into believing their idea is no good. And if 1 of them makes something that actually works they face the 2 silent guards.
    The 5th group are the 1st guard big companies. They like to buy out little projects like this and file it under the items they flush.
    The 6th group and 2nd guard is the "safety" officers. They spend so much time researching items to make sure its safe that by the time it is "safe" it has become a reminant of its former self and produces next to no discernable energy and do the sceptics come in yet again and start on about how much money you spend vs the energy.... they work hand in hand with governments to ensure taxes are over done so they never become affordable. In the case of solar and wind these have to be placed on a permanent structure around the home so you have to own the house OR have a great landlord.

    The debate on whether or not energy is available is not a debate. Wind, solar, tidal, and hamster wheels in schools would produce power. The issue is will anyone ever invest enough money into it to allow home users the ability to afford such items without having to buy the house they are in just for the install
     
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    thread closed .... it's just attracting woowooo people
     
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