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sms

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow, denial and scapegoating to get the govt off the hook, ho-hum. The
only surprise is that it's under the byline of a software guy.

Of course the only problem with his theory is that the reality is that
no one really got hurt by the healthcare.gov in terms of health care
being available to them. Coverage doesn't start until January 1, 2014
whether you sign up on October 1 or December 31. Romneycare, upon which
ACA is based, saw a rush of signups just before the mandate went into
effect and no doubt the same will happen with the ACA.

Part of the reason for the problems with healthcare.gov can be traced
back to DDOS attacks by right wing groups. The same people complaining
about the problems with the web site are helping to cause the problems
with the web site.

It's all much ado about nothing by opponents of the ACA that were unable
to succeed at the ballot box or in court, or in public opinion polls.
They like to complain.
 
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hamilton

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course the only problem with his theory is that the reality is that
no one really got hurt by the healthcare.gov in terms of health care
being available to them. Coverage doesn't start until January 1, 2014
whether you sign up on October 1 or December 31. Romneycare, upon which
ACA is based, saw a rush of signups just before the mandate went into
effect and no doubt the same will happen with the ACA.

Part of the reason for the problems with healthcare.gov can be traced
back to DDOS attacks by right wing groups. The same people complaining
about the problems with the web site are helping to cause the problems
with the web site.

Do you have any links to this ?

Google found over 1M. but these seem to be reporting someone else's report.
 
This is a blog about the Software Industry; and the profound effect that

its failure is having upon our society.



The Software Industry failed to deliver healthcare.gov. As a result,

millions of people are being hurt. We did that, folks. It was our

industry, our failure.



http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2013/11/12/Healthcare-gov.html

I would hardly call the mindless trash in the "government sector" contracting, software industry, mainly because there is nothing industrious about them. People get the government they deserve, and they also get lots of otherthings they have coming to them.
 
Oh, your basic premise is wrong. Even if the web site worked, the O'care system

is fundamentally unstable. It was designed to fail, and the software bugs just

altered the near-term mode of failure.

Well just don't sit there and shoot you mouth off with generalities of subject about which you know next to nothing. Show us your numerical simulation results, model description, implementation , and insightful development premises.
 
Of course the only problem with his theory is that the reality is that
no one really got hurt by the healthcare.gov in terms of health care
being available to them.

About 3 million in the individual market have lost their plans so
far, and tens of millions are in the works.

Some of those people are currently sick, relying on those plans
they paid for. But if those plans didn't include free abortion
pills, or lactation services for a guy, Obamacare just killed
'em.

Obama's cancelling lots of people's plans when they need them
most, far far more than any insurance company ever did.

Lots of those people can't handle it--they're sick, they're
desperate. Here's one:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446

Obamacare just killed more people than any domestic mass shooting, ever.

James Arthur
 
Of course the only problem with his theory is that the reality is that

no one really got hurt by the healthcare.gov in terms of health care

being available to them.

Wrong. How many man hours were wasted trying to access the Obama Care web site?
Dan
 
Well just don't sit there and shoot you mouth off with generalities of subject about which you know next to nothing. Show us your numerical simulation results, model description, implementation , and insightful development premises.

Not to worry, the old system had the government headed for
fiscal collapse[1], but Obamacare's extra bureaucracy, taxes,
and paperwork cover 10% more people for free, pays for everything,
costs less, pays for all the drugs and procedures everyone needs,
subsidizes everyone, and chops the deceit^H^H^H^Hficit. You'll
save $2,500 a year.

And you can keep your plan.[2]

Sweeeet.

Cheers,
James Arthur
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[1] Obama, 9/9/2009: "Finally, our health care system is placing an unsustainable burden on taxpayers. When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined. Put simply, our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close. Nothing else."

[2] Obama, 9/9/2009: "Here are the details that every American needs to know about this plan. First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employerto change the coverage or the doctor you have. (Applause.) Let me repeat this: Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have." [...] (Applause.)

"As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it the most.[...]"

(Applause.) "And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies -- (applause) -- because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse.
That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives. (Applause.)"

"Now, that's what Americans who have health insurance can expect from this plan -- more security and more stability."

(Unless it leaves out freebies, in which case we'll cancel it for you
when you need it most.)
 
It's failure of government policy in shaping the Software Industry. They could have picked thousands of other companies to do it right.
Not really. There was politics running the show, not to mention Friends of Obama
getting paid more and more for screwing up.

It would have been the same with friends of Mr. Republican.
I might be willing to screw up if you paid me $200 million.

I would be willing to screw up for free, but charge for fixing the mistakes. That's how government contacting works anyway. The more you screw up, the bigger the fix-up contract.
 
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RobertMacy

Jan 1, 1970
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Wrong. How many man hours were wasted trying to access the Obama Care
web site?
Dan

I assume the $600 million cost came out of...?
 
About 3 million in the individual market have lost their plans so
far, and tens of millions are in the works.

It's over five million, now. That's policies canceled, so it's more
like 15M people.
Some of those people are currently sick, relying on those plans
they paid for. But if those plans didn't include free abortion
pills, or lactation services for a guy, Obamacare just killed
'em.

Note that 'em = them. They will be dead BECAUSE of Obamacare.
Obama's cancelling lots of people's plans when they need them
most, far far more than any insurance company ever did.

Lots of those people can't handle it--they're sick, they're
desperate. Here's one:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446

Obamacare just killed more people than any domestic mass shooting, ever.

But it's for the children!
 
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Bill Sloman

Jan 1, 1970
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About 3 million in the individual market have lost their plans so far, and tens of millions are in the works.

Some of those people are currently sick, relying on those plans
they paid for. But if those plans didn't include free abortion pills, or lactation services for a guy, Obamacare just killed 'em.
Obama's cancelling lots of people's plans when they need them
most, far far more than any insurance company ever did.
Lots of those people can't handle it--they're sick, they're desperate. Here's one:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446

Obamacare just killed more people than any domestic mass shooting, ever.

There's no evidence that even Edie Littlefield Sundby is dead yet, and if she dies, the Obamacare won't be the leading suspect. As she says, she's lucky to have survived as long as she has and even her familiar cancer care team is going to be very lucky if they can keep her going much longer.

Clearly, she can get lined up with a different clinical team, but - naturally - doesn't want to. Getting excited about this is something of a waste ofeffort. Statistically speaking she's dead already.

Extrapolating form one incipient death to "more than any domestic mass shooting ever" is the kind of rhetorical hyperbole we've come to expect from James Arthur, who swift to post statical evidence when it can be construed tosupport his daft points of view, but brazen about posting total nonsense when there isn't something handy for him to misinterpret.
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow, denial and scapegoating to get the govt off the hook, ho-hum. The
only surprise is that it's under the byline of a software guy.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Could it be those Canadian programers well aware of what it's like to
have government controlled health care, sabotaged the healthcare.gov
software just to save us. I want to be the first to say, Thank you.

Mikek (TIC)
 
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Greegor

Jan 1, 1970
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krw > But it's for the children!

Another one they use is:

It's for your own good!
 
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Greegor

Jan 1, 1970
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Politics, ego, and every other detrimental human
characteristic have a role to play here.
NO!

ONE ASSHOLE, who handed our governing body a 1600 page bill they never
read, and said "You will all pass this bill tomorrow, unread...", is
where the blame lies.

And he should do time for it too! And then again for subsequently
making who knows how many lobby induced "favorable adjustments" that
turned the entire thing into an even bigger fucking lies than it already
was!

A whole bunch of assholes whom would claim to be honorable, should see
hard prison time for this stupid fucking move. But we will never see
that either, because they DO have a goddamned throttle hold on
everything, and one angered citizen will not get to upset the whole
thing because folks will finally fucking wake the **** up, and demand
the return of the fucking firing squad!

These motherfuckers are a goddamned bad joke on the working class and
the missing middle class, and the dopes with the degrees are ALSO to
blame.

Everything is going up in price and the goddamned portions are getting
smaller and I still have to make some other fucker filthy rich.

Heads *SHOULD* roll, and it all SHOULD fall apart. Then, MAYBE all
you idiots who cannot admit to yourselves that it IS broken will finally
wake up.

6.5 Billion people in the world.
4.5 Billion people in the world eat each day.
That leaves 2 billion unfed people in the world.
That number doesn't bother anyone here?

Do you know how many countries and Island nations we took out of that
squalor before, during, and after WWII? What happened to the world?

Why are criminals treated with complacency by the piggery and real
folks get harassed as if they are criminals?

ANd when they **** it up, why do prosecutors not face removal from

office for pursuing something they should never have taken on to start
with?

Why is it OK for them to filch their way through life, claiming to be
honorable, while we civil, honorable folks get to be abused by all these
fucking freaks of zero civility? Why do they get to make shit up, and
call it facts and truth?

Obama should see federal prison time. Period. His grandiose fuckup
will take the entire world's economy down, and they will implement 1984
to attempt to stop it.

Thanks a lot, Obama. You will be the cause of the next and last great
crash.

This country and then the world is in for a real tailspin crash.

Better hope that Bugs is at the controls, and that the plane runs out
of gas right before it hits the ground. But we know that cartoon and
real physics do not jibe with each other.

I hope you all like soup lines and bicycles.

More than the software industry is perched to fail here.

This has to be the most retarded set of actions put into motion I have
ever seen a government do in all of history.

ANY idiots defending this stupid horseshit is wearing a blindfold AND
blinders and earplugs.

Nymbecile puts it more profane and angry
terms than I would (for now) but I think
he's essentially got this one right overall.

Question:
If this disaster was planned to fail,
as a deliberate tactic to move
us to a single payer system (outright socialism)
will that deception succeed?
 
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Bill Sloman

Jan 1, 1970
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called a software engineer), eventually becoming a software architect.
That must be interesting. A lot of what I do is architectural design. I have to balance electronics, software, packaging, thermal, cost, future flexibility,
tooling, NRE cost, and complexity. All with the understanding that the customer
may not really need what they think they need now, and that we are gamblingon
the projected sucess of their product, which is often wildly optimistic.

Having to master all that difficult stuff doesn't leave enough of his brainfree to know that you can wind +/-3% inductors on heavily gapped ferrite cores.

There's an even more obscure point that you can still buy gapped pot cores with a hole in the central - gapped - post and an adjuster to screw into that hole to make an adjustable inductor (not that you need much adjusting when the base inductance is already +/-3%), but John Larkin - the busy executive - is much too busy to get his head around that kind of detail
There are lots of wins and losses in a process like that. You have to hope that you average a bit on the "win" side and survive. It's risky and a lot of fun.

It might be less risky if you knew a bit more about the passive components you use.
 
On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:34:20 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

Oh, your basic premise is wrong. Even if the web site worked,
the O'care system is fundamentally unstable. It was designed to
fail, and the software bugs just altered the near-term mode of
failure.

Well just don't sit there and shoot you mouth off with generalities
of subject about which you know next to nothing. Show us your
numerical simulation results, model description, implementation ,
and insightful development premises.

Not to worry, the old system had the government headed for
fiscal collapse[1], but Obamacare's extra bureaucracy, taxes,
and paperwork cover 10% more people for free, pays for everything,
costs less, pays for all the drugs and procedures everyone needs,
subsidizes everyone, and chops the deceit^H^H^H^Hficit. You'll
save $2,500 a year.

And you can keep your plan.[2]

Sweeeet.


Coming soon: An Executive Order requiring that the words and phrases
"bug", "error", "excessive delay", "failure" and "problem" be deleted
from all Federally- originated documents that mention the
ACA/Obamacare, to be replaced with such phrases as "undocumented
feature", "measured response time", and "continuing improvement".

Don't forget "glitch" !

Cheers,
James Arthur
 
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josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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Wow, denial and scapegoating to get the govt off the hook, ho-hum. The
only surprise is that it's under the byline of a software guy.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Yep, a "software guy" with an axe to grind. Seen plenty of them before.
Many of them pushing various magic bullets to stop the demons of
stupidity. Not so impressed. Nor do i like the proposed solution, i have
seen the effect of the same in engineering; too much lowest common
denominator individuals becoming the "elect".

?-)/
 
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josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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It's failure of government policy in shaping the Software Industry. They could have picked thousands of other companies to do it right.


It would have been the same with friends of Mr. Republican.

This is also true. You are beginning to see why i despise both major
political parties.
 
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josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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Politics, ego, and every other detrimental human characteristic have a
role to play here. Even a credible leak will have to be checked, and
there is an almost endless list of explantations that management can
use, from allegations that the leaker has an axe to grind, to claims
that the leaker is just plain incompetent. The message is next to
impossible to get out in an effective way while so many people have an
incentive to supress it.

So it's not so easy for an engineer to get the word out in a way that
will stop these things from happening. The most they're likely to
achieve is getting themselves fired, plus the joy of being able to say
"See, I was right" from the soup line.

Sylvia.
You are right on that. See:

<http://whistleblowing.us/2012/02/re...-challenger-disaster-whistleblower-1938-2012/>

?-)
 
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