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Colloidal silver generator?

Anybody know how a colloidal silver generator works?
I have read a few articles that suggest drinking
a solution of silver and water cures many medical problems,
and the solution can be made with just a couple silver electrodes
in distilled water using a constant current of around 1 mA for
a couple hours.

Is this just a quack idea, or does it have some benefit?

How much current is needed, for how much time, for optimum
results, and how do you determine the end of the process
when enough silver is disolved in the water, and it's time
to take a drink?

-Bill
 
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WDino

Jan 1, 1970
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It will not work that way with distilled water. Any electrolysis requires the
water to be conductive.
My swimming pool has a silver and copper ion generator. It has a constant
current generator attached to two electrodes in the pump filter housing. For our
12 metre pool we use a current of about 100mA.
The copper ions stop any algae forming and the silver kills any bacteria or
viruses. Tests indicate that it works very well.

I would assume that a similar principle would apply to drinking water ionisers
as well.

Note that this ionisation system has been around since Roman times. They used to
place a copper and a silver coin in the bottom of each of their urns of drinking
water to keep them fresh and pure. It worked well.
 
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Rheilly Phoull

Jan 1, 1970
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WDino said:
It will not work that way with distilled water. Any electrolysis requires the
water to be conductive.
My swimming pool has a silver and copper ion generator. It has a constant
current generator attached to two electrodes in the pump filter housing. For our
12 metre pool we use a current of about 100mA.
The copper ions stop any algae forming and the silver kills any bacteria or
viruses. Tests indicate that it works very well.

I would assume that a similar principle would apply to drinking water ionisers
as well.

Note that this ionisation system has been around since Roman times. They used to
place a copper and a silver coin in the bottom of each of their urns of drinking
water to keep them fresh and pure. It worked well.
How long do the electrodes last (Hours in service) and what are their
dimensions please ?
 
Anybody know how a colloidal silver generator works?
I have read a few articles that suggest drinking
a solution of silver and water cures many medical problems,
and the solution can be made with just a couple silver electrodes
in distilled water using a constant current of around 1 mA for
a couple hours.

Is this just a quack idea, or does it have some benefit?

How much current is needed, for how much time, for optimum
results, and how do you determine the end of the process
when enough silver is disolved in the water, and it's time
to take a drink?

-Bill


Firstly, depsite all the garbage on the net for and against it, it
works very well as a topical antibiotic and antifungal, and systemic
antibiotic. It might or might not do other things, it is also claimed
it kills viri, but I simply have no data on that. Its most noticeable
features are its speed of action, ability to tackle (other-) antibiotic
resistant bacteria, flawless safety record, low cost, and instability.

One problem with cs is there is so much junk written about it that its
most difficult to get anything sensible to read. The other problem is
it has been the focus of companies of questionable legality, and in
many minds the substance has become associated with the business
practice.

The 3rd problem is that much of the shop sold cs is not cs at all.

The 4th is that it is unstable, so you need to make it yourself on
site, keep it in the dark in the fridge, and use it within 5 days.



How to make it:

2 pure silver electrodes (many silver coins are not pure silver), say 1
to 2" discs

distilled water in a glass bowl

apply 9v dc to the electrodes via a current limiting R of 2.
2k

Let it work for 5 hours

before use it is necessary to remove any silver particles, as silver is
a heavy metal. Put 2 layers of toilet paper in a teastrainer or
similar, pour enough cs through it as you need (a good gulp twice a day
for systemic antibiotc use).

Use only glass in contact with cs, dont put spoons into it to get it
out etc. Other items in contact with cs cause rapid deterioration, so
can only be used at time of use. This is why you dont filter the lot
then store.


How does this work with distilled water? Distilled water is not
perfectly non-conductive, it is merely low conduction. Expect a
variable starting curent of maybe 5-15uA, and finishing in the region
of 30-60uA.


Toxicity: no known toxicity. Silver is a heavy metal, but a non
problematic one, ie eating from silver plates is safe. The quantity of
silver in the end result is not enough to cause problems, even if you
drink it for a lifetime.

Argyria: Rosemary Jacobs did not get this blue skin coloration from
this type of cs, she got it from ground silver powder in water, which
contains 1000s times as much Ag, and was used under the name colloidal
silver a century ago. It is a different product.


Use:

Topical: apply cs soaked toilet paper to infection, keep in place for
10 minutes 2x a day. Expect complete clearance in 2-3 days, even for
quite serious infections.

Systemic: a good gulp 2x a day. Expect complete clearance in 2-3 days.
Dose does not need to be more accurate because there is a huge margin
between effective and toxic.


Once more people get past all the nonsense and shenanigans that
surround it, and address only the question 'does it kill bacteria or
not', I'm sure its use will spread.


NT
 
Rheilly said:
How long do the electrodes last (Hours in service)
decades


and what are their dimensions please ?

1.5" discs work well. Other things have also been used, eg silver wire.
The silver must be pure.


NT
 
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Mike Harrison

Jan 1, 1970
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Anybody know how a colloidal silver generator works?
I have read a few articles that suggest drinking
a solution of silver and water cures many medical problems,
and the solution can be made with just a couple silver electrodes
in distilled water using a constant current of around 1 mA for
a couple hours.

Is this just a quack idea, or does it have some benefit?

How much current is needed, for how much time, for optimum
results, and how do you determine the end of the process
when enough silver is disolved in the water, and it's time
to take a drink?

-Bill

http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/silver.htm
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Firstly, depsite all the garbage on the net for and against it, it
works very well as a topical antibiotic and antifungal, and systemic
antibiotic. It might or might not do other things, it is also claimed
it kills viri, but I simply have no data on that. Its most noticeable
features are its speed of action, ability to tackle (other-) antibiotic
resistant bacteria, flawless safety record, low cost, and instability.

One problem with cs is there is so much junk written about it that its
most difficult to get anything sensible to read. The other problem is
it has been the focus of companies of questionable legality, and in
many minds the substance has become associated with the business
practice.

The 3rd problem is that much of the shop sold cs is not cs at all.

The 4th is that it is unstable, so you need to make it yourself on
site, keep it in the dark in the fridge, and use it within 5 days.



How to make it:

2 pure silver electrodes (many silver coins are not pure silver), say 1
to 2" discs

distilled water in a glass bowl

apply 9v dc to the electrodes via a current limiting R of 2.
2k

Let it work for 5 hours

before use it is necessary to remove any silver particles, as silver is
a heavy metal. Put 2 layers of toilet paper in a teastrainer or
similar, pour enough cs through it as you need (a good gulp twice a day
for systemic antibiotc use).

Use only glass in contact with cs, dont put spoons into it to get it
out etc. Other items in contact with cs cause rapid deterioration, so
can only be used at time of use. This is why you dont filter the lot
then store.


How does this work with distilled water? Distilled water is not
perfectly non-conductive, it is merely low conduction. Expect a
variable starting curent of maybe 5-15uA, and finishing in the region
of 30-60uA.


Toxicity: no known toxicity. Silver is a heavy metal, but a non
problematic one, ie eating from silver plates is safe. The quantity of
silver in the end result is not enough to cause problems, even if you
drink it for a lifetime.

Argyria: Rosemary Jacobs did not get this blue skin coloration from
this type of cs, she got it from ground silver powder in water, which
contains 1000s times as much Ag, and was used under the name colloidal
silver a century ago. It is a different product.


Use:

Topical: apply cs soaked toilet paper to infection, keep in place for
10 minutes 2x a day. Expect complete clearance in 2-3 days, even for
quite serious infections.

Systemic: a good gulp 2x a day. Expect complete clearance in 2-3 days.
Dose does not need to be more accurate because there is a huge margin
between effective and toxic.


Once more people get past all the nonsense and shenanigans that
surround it, and address only the question 'does it kill bacteria or
not', I'm sure its use will spread.


NT
You may be correct in all you say, EXCEPT: true distilled water is
*not* conductive; it is a pretty good insulator.
In order to get currents in the range you mentioned, one has to be
rather eXplicit about a lot of information you did not even hint about.
1) Voltage should be specified.
(remember, E(voltage)=I(current)*R(resistance).
2) Electrode area IN the water (and that means *both* electrodes).
(remember, we are talking about *volume* resistivity, so to decrease
the terminal resistance, one needs to increase the area).
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Rheilly Phoull wrote:




1.5" discs work well. Other things have also been used, eg silver wire.
The silver must be pure.


NT
At last; the AREA - but what about the VOLTAGE?
 
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Mike Monett

Jan 1, 1970
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Firstly, depsite all the garbage on the net for and against it, it
works very well as a topical antibiotic and antifungal, and systemic
antibiotic. It might or might not do other things, it is also claimed
it kills viri, but I simply have no data on that. Its most noticeable
features are its speed of action, ability to tackle (other-) antibiotic
resistant bacteria, flawless safety record, low cost, and instability.

CS is an excellent antibacteria, antiviral, and in high concentration,
an excellent antifungal agent. It is very stable if made properly.

Please see my ancient web page on Shingles (Caution - graphic images)

http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm

[...]

Much more information is available at

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/colloidalsilver2/messages

Regards,

Mike Monett
 
Robert said:
You may be correct in all you say, EXCEPT: true distilled water is
*not* conductive; it is a pretty good insulator.

I recommend getting some and measuring it. There is often confusion
around this. Any practical source of distilled water will contain
_some_ ions. While it can indeed be used as a high v insulator, it isnt
quite perfect.

In order to get currents in the range you mentioned, one has to be
rather eXplicit about a lot of information you did not even hint about.
1) Voltage should be specified.
(remember, E(voltage)=I(current)*R(resistance).

it was specified.
2) Electrode area IN the water (and that means *both* electrodes).
(remember, we are talking about *volume* resistivity, so to decrease
the terminal resistance, one needs to increase the area).

again, an approximate figure can very simply be calculated from what
was specified. The trodes were about 2/3 the way under water, but size
and immersion are not critical.


NT
 
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Andreas Rutz

Jan 1, 1970
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You may be correct in all you say, EXCEPT: true distilled water is
I recommend getting some and measuring it. There is often confusion
around this. Any practical source of distilled water will contain
_some_ ions. While it can indeed be used as a high v insulator, it
isnt quite perfect.

Very high quailty DI water has about 18 Mohm * cm. It does not stay that
good for a long time if stored. So you can expect a better conductivity from
off the shelf distilled water.
 
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JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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articles...suggest drinking a solution of silver and water
And the other side of the coin from a manufacturer
http://suttonssolutions.com.au/
Ross Herbert

It's a shame they've stopped teaching science in the schools.[1]

Show me a peer-reviewed double-blind study
that supports any of their claims.


[1]Same holds for the Schiavo case.
 
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JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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It's a shame they've stopped teaching science in the schools.[1]
Ah. I see. Science by consensus.
Feh.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Proof beats dogma.
Consensus beats zero every time. Hell, 1 beats zero.
I'm still waiting to see anything that looks like science on the pro
side.
 
JeffM said:
It's a shame they've stopped teaching science in the schools.[1]
Show me a peer-reviewed double-blind study
that supports any of their claims.

Ah. I see. Science by consensus.
Feh.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Proof beats dogma.
Consensus beats zero every time. Hell, 1 beats zero.
I'm still waiting to see anything that looks like science on the pro
side.


This is the number one problem with cs. Studies are reported, but
without really sufficient information to evaluate them.

Meanwhile a lot of people are using it, and have got results. For me
thats what I base my conclusions on: not what I found online, which was
pretty shaky, but on the results of testing/using it repeatedly. It
works.


NT
 
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Mark Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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JeffM said:
It's a shame they've stopped teaching science in the schools.[1]
Show me a peer-reviewed double-blind study
that supports any of their claims.

Ah. I see. Science by consensus.
Feh.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Proof beats dogma.
Consensus beats zero every time. Hell, 1 beats zero.
I'm still waiting to see anything that looks like science on the pro
side.



This is the number one problem with cs. Studies are reported, but
without really sufficient information to evaluate them.

Meanwhile a lot of people are using it, and have got results. For me
thats what I base my conclusions on: not what I found online, which was
pretty shaky, but on the results of testing/using it repeatedly. It
works.


NT

One would think, with thousands of years of use, CS would be well-documented.
Why is it not?

I'd love to study the long-term effects of some specific items on lab mice.
Like tap water (with chlorine and fluorine free radicals), de-ionized/distilled
water, CS, etc. Just so SOMEBODY would know once and for all, the facts.
 
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Rich The Philosophizer

Jan 1, 1970
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It's a shame they've stopped teaching science in the schools.[1]
Show me a peer-reviewed double-blind study
that supports any of their claims.

Ah. I see. Science by consensus.
Feh.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Proof beats dogma.
Consensus beats zero every time. Hell, 1 beats zero.
I'm still waiting to see anything that looks like science on the pro
side.

That's the problem. Waiting to _see_ it.

Have you tried _feeling_?

Good Luck!
Rich

for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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One would think, with thousands of years of use, CS would be
well-documented. Why is it not?

Presumably because none of the drug companies can see a way of getting a
patentable drug out of it.
I'd love to study the long-term effects of some specific items on lab
mice. Like tap water (with chlorine and fluorine free radicals),
de-ionized/distilled water, CS, etc. Just so SOMEBODY would know once
and for all, the facts.

You won't get a grant to do it, for the above reason.
 
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