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Charles Harris

Jan 1, 1970
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I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system and have run into a situation
where I will have rought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw post for aux power.
Does anyone have any recommendations on a cleaner way to wire this up so
that the wires will not be so messy to the single post?

Charles
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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8 -10 devices? Better check your current requirements :)
I twist them all together with a pigtail for the terminal, solder and just
twist on an suitably sized electrical marette. You could use terminal strips
external to the can as well if you REALLY want a clean looking interior.
Don't forget to leave a service loop.
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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didn't see the Aegis posts there..

mikey said:
8 -10 devices? Better check your current requirements :)
I twist them all together with a pigtail for the terminal, solder and just
twist on an suitably sized electrical marette. You could use terminal strips
external to the can as well if you REALLY want a clean looking interior.
Don't forget to leave a service loop.
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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jeeze Aegis, did we both knock off early today too? If you happen to have a
beer in front of you right now, this would be just too freaky...
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I am currently wiring up a vista 20p system
and have run into a situation where I will
have brought 8-10 wires going to 1 screw
post for aux power. Does anyone have any
recommendations on a cleaner way to wire
this up so that the wires will not be so messy
to the single post?

Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles. Add
an extra pigtail lead to each bundle. Solder and tape the splices. Run the
pigtails up to the AUX power terminals. This is the best technique.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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If you don't want to solder and tape, you can also use a Marr connector of
the correct size as well. Make sure you twist all the red wires together
tightly after stripping off about 1 inch of the insulation, so the Marr
connector simply ensures a continuing tight joint, just as you would when
wiring AC. It also pays to double up the wires in the pigtail...ie two red
wires twisted together at each end going to the Aux + and two black wires
together in the Aux -.

I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own company, as well as others,
without a hint of a problem this way.

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com
 
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birdman

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass wrote:

Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles.

WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading
you so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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oh, settle down, he said TWO bundles, not ONE
If you're going to pick on the guy, make sure you've got something to bitch
about, that was a cheap shot.
 
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birdman

Jan 1, 1970
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mikey said:
oh, settle down, he said TWO bundles, not ONE
If you're going to pick on the guy, make sure you've got something to bitch
about, that was a cheap shot.
don't care how many bundles it is. If you put " + and - together " you
will short the power supply.
Besides it no cheaper a shot than what he frequently does.
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Uh...I don't think he said that. Shorting black and red is an obvious "no
no"....

RHC
 
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petem

Jan 1, 1970
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birdman said:
Robert L. Bass wrote:



WARNING! DO NOT DO THIS! If you put + and - together you will short out
your power supply! Fast buck Bass not in the trade and is misleading you
so he can sell more equipment to unsuspecting DIYers.

now that a cheap shot.. even if I blocked him cause he is making too much
noise...

he never meant to make the op do what you think ... he didn't wrote it
clearly enough but it was not that bad...

for the op what he was trying to tell you is make a bundle with all the
negative wire...then a bundle of all the positive wire..

take each bundle and put one wire from each bundle to the good
terminal..(negative to - and positive to +)

god I think I am surrounded with kids that like to pick on each other....

(and I don't help!!!!!!!!)
 
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Jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Actually....I was kind of digging the sound of wiring them all together.
That would be neat.
Hell....that would be wicked cool!
 
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birdman

Jan 1, 1970
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petem said:
now that a cheap shot.. even if I blocked him cause he is making too much
noise...

slow nite
he never meant to make the op do what you think ... he didn't wrote it
clearly enough but it was not that bad...

you must have espn if you know what he meant
for the op what he was trying to tell you is make a bundle with all the
negative wire...then a bundle of all the positive wire..

don't forget the key word 'together'
take each bundle and put one wire from each bundle to the good
terminal..(negative to - and positive to +)

god I think I am surrounded with kids that like to pick on each other....

just on fast buck
(and I don't help!!!!!!!!)

thanks :)
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell wrote
It also pays to double up the wires in the pigtail...ie two red
wires twisted together at each end going to the Aux + and two black wires
together in the Aux -.

Parallel conductors?? What th...but...

;-)


js
 
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Aegis

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Bring all of the red (+) and black (-) wires together in two bundles. Add
an extra pigtail lead to each bundle. Solder and tape the splices. Run
the pigtails up to the AUX power terminals. This is the best technique.

I have to disagree. An improvised power distribution bus is the best
technique, IMO.
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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I have installed over 1200 alarms for my own >company, as well as
others,
without a hint of a problem this way.


:)

Hmmmm

Do I hear .......
500? 700? 1000? 1200?

Do I hear 1500?????

going once

going twice

going ..... wait .....

wait a minute.

I think I hear 1500 coming from up north .....

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Well Robert..........

You know how I really hate to say ..... I tol ya so .....but hey
.......... what the hell. Eh?

Now all you have to wonder about is:

the other things I've predicted about your so called "business plan"
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry, this is a resend....something strange going on with my computer....
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My "so called" business plan is working well I'll have you know. Contrary to
most companies in this industry, I actually created a very real business
plan based on sold rate models that I used when working in Bell Canada. Nor
have I had to change it much during it's implementation. My son is now full
time in the business and will be taking it over very soon. Our revenues
continue to rise dramatically, and my service costs are far below what I
imagined they would ever be. My phone continues to ring continually, and I
have ZERO overhead costs when it comes to advertising and promotion. Our
company has come to be known for it's straightforward and totally honest
approach to dealing with clients, and I'm damn proud of that (I will gladly
tell a client when we are not his best choice for security services when we
are not...). My reputation in the local industry is solid; nor do I ever
have to resort to getting "down and dirty" with many other local companies.
And the longer I'm in this business, the firmer my beliefs are about certain
industry practices. And just to reiterate (if it even matters to you) here
is what I've come to believe to be true

1- Long term contracts demanded by most companies in this business (when not
necessary to ensure a "free system" is paid for) are almost an industry
scam. There is simply no need for them! Most cases amount to nothing more
than a customer ripoff !!!
2- Most small companies charge excessive rates for monthly monitoring
services (in excess of $20 even when not paying down the cost of the system
put in at an artificially low price). Larger companies need this level
legitimately to maintain their higher overheads, but smaller ones are simply
feeding at the trough !!
3- There ought to be a law against locking customer owned fully paid for
alarm panels.
4- The marketeers of free systems have cheapened the market even while
creating increased demand
5- You don't need a long term contract on accounts to make them valuable to
more sophisticated buyers
6- There's no true leadership in this industry by the largest of the alarm
companies. They simply are the largest (and some would say the worst) of the
bottom feeding money grubbers.
7- You don't take every customer that comes in the door. You have to stay
strictly within your market niche.
8- You must weed out your "non payers" ruthlessly
9- Automatic billing is the only way to go. If they don't want that, then
send them elsewhere.

I have about 800 accounts now and growing fast at about 5 a week. I wouldn't
have gone beyond my ceiling of 500 if my son hadn't joined me in the
business. I thought I would spend my time doing service work, but that
simply hasn't come about. I'm going to head out on my motorcycle soon and
leave things in good hands !! And to sum it up, I don't give a tinkers damn
whether you or anyone else agrees with my methodology; my customers do. I
look after them first and foremost and it seems they look after me ! If what
works for you is different...well fine....good luck to you...I truly wish
you every success.

And the last thing is, how the hell come I see your posts. I blocked your
mostly vulgar posts long ago. Seems I'll have to do it again.

RHC
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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My "so called" business plan is working well
I'll have you know. ... Nor have I had to
change it much during it's implementation.
My son is now full time in the business and
will be taking it over very soon...

Excellent! I assume that means you'll be stopping
by one of these days. I'll fire of the grill.
1- Long term contracts demanded by most
companies in this business (when not necessary
to ensure a "free system" is paid for) are almost
an industry scam. There is simply no need for
them! Most cases amount to nothing more than
a customer ripoff !!!

I couldn't agree more, Robert.
2- Most small companies charge excessive
rates for monthly monitoring services (in
excess of $20 even when not paying down
the cost of the system put in at an artificially
low price). Larger companies need this level
legitimately to maintain their higher overheads,
but smaller ones are simply feeding at the
trough !!
Yep.

3- There ought to be a law against locking
customer owned fully paid for alarm panels.

There is a law. It's called larceny. When you
sell something to someone and then secretly
disable it so that they must continue to pay
you after the agreed upon price has been paid
that is a form of theft. Alarm companies do
this all the time. They get away with it only
because most people are unwilling to fight
back or lack the knowledge of their rights.
...I'm going to head out on my motorcycle
soon and leave things in good hands!!

I'm considering buying a small "Ninja" bike --
not a real powerful one, just something to
buzz around town with.
And to sum it up, I don't give a tinkers damn
whether you or anyone else agrees with my
methodology; my customers do. I look after
them first and foremost and it seems they
look after me!

Precisely! You don't have to answer to Jiminex
or any of the rest of the local IB.
And the last thing is, how the hell come I
see [Jiminex'] posts. I blocked your mostly
vulgar posts long ago. Seems I'll have to
do it again.

He changes his alias to get past the filters
people put up to avoid seeing his filth.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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How do you obtain liability and e/o insurance without a contract? Don't insurance carriers require to see your contract in Canada? The do here. You can't get insurance without the insurance carrier approving your contract.

Contacts are to protect you and your client. And you don't have to enforce anything in the contract if you don't want to.

If you're a small company can you absorb the cost of protecting yourself from a lawsuit without insurance and a valid contract to fall back on? If you think some nutjob won't try to sue you someday..think again. Not everyone is your friend.

Feeding at the trough? You don't think you have overhead for monitoring? - mailing billing cost, keeping someone on call 24hrs to answer clients questions, liability insurance, etc. You're adverse to making a fair profit? If your third party monitoring station only charged you a $1.00 a month for an account would you only charge $2.00 to your client?
 
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