Building a Fibre NBN on a Copper budget

[JB]

<[email protected]>

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Hello World.
I read the statement in attribution
"There is no jungle in this country"
to then keyphrase search the owner. Ignore my
post should you be sure you (poster) are right.

There is no jungle in this country.

Where I live;
http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?station=Mt+Myrtle.QLD
I assure you it is "jungle" - Mega Acres of it!

And yes, some who are 30K from the nearest town
exchange can have adsl off a CMUX or RIM or even
one of those exchanges in a shipping container sized
thing that are so common in rural areas outside towns.

The section of your post that interests me.
We are using an ADSL connection, where the exchange is I
have no idea but I suspect Mt. Myrtle which is around
four kilometres away, as the crow flies. During the wet
season the connection is 85% out of service, I am told
due to water intrusion of the cable pits.
In more than 5 years "ADSL noise" is proven to be nonrepairable.
The problems with installing fibre here would parallel those of the
existing cable (I would think) but whatever we have been told it will
happen by 20-------------------->?

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.
Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to
the unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need
for the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is more
than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.
So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide that
low a usage and reflect a low cost. I understand the telephone will be
disconnected, with us to consider that also in that we have avoided
"bundling" until now and now it seems we will have to bundle on
current offers being made?

Please no more of this jungle denial platform[*]phobia. LOL

 

[Damian]

Yes it is.


Bullshit. Out local pound kills ALL the cats that end up
there and that was just under 500 of them last year.

That's your local pound violating the animal rights.
I know it's bullshit, 'cos they would goto jail if they are to kill ALL the
cats.
The law dictates they are to keep them for a mandatory length of time and
never to kill, if they are microchipped or have owner tags.
They have adoption programs affiliated with RSPCA.
Either you are bullshitting or you are passing somebody else's bullshit.

And about a third of the dogs too.


We did nothing of the sort with the Vietnamese.

And we didn’t see anything like a THOUSAND A WEEK of those.

Yep, at the peak of Bosnian and Vietnam issues, it was much more than that.

It took the Dud's complete and utter fucking up
of everything he touches to produce that result.

He only fucked up boat people issue and insulation thing.
The boat thing, he could've fixed, but got kicked out before that.
The rest are all achievements.

The people smugglers aren't on the fucking boats.

Some are, some not. And the bums on the boats give them up when faced with
lengthy jail terms.
That's how some of them were caught.

That is currently a MUCH bigger problem than anything else.

The keyword is 'currently', and only 'cos we blow it out of proportions
closer to elections.

Pity they are in Indonesia.

And a fair number of them are here, they are Australian citizens, who
happens to be former refugees.
This is why it's important to work closely with Indonesia, instead of
pissing them off like stupid Abbot gang is doing now.
AFP can always track them down in Indonesia with the help of Indonesian
pollys.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.
Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to
the unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need
for the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is more
than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.
So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide that
low a usage and reflect a low cost. I understand the telephone will be
disconnected, with us to consider that also in that we have avoided
"bundling" until now and now it seems we will have to bundle on
current offers being made?

With such low usage, a *mobile* Internet connection will probably be
the cheapest and fast enough.

Even with 'expensive' Telstra and even on pre-paid, that shouldn't set
you back more than $20-$30 a month. Or you can take the easy/cheap(er)
route: 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time (i.e. average 1GB/month at
average $15/month).

If you use a mobile broadband modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/mobile-broadband/prepaid/rates/index.htm>

If you use a mobile phone as a data modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/prepaid-mobiles/offers-rates/plus-packs>

The data costs for the 'mobile-phone' products are somewhat lower than
for the 'mobile-broadband' products, but the speeds are lower. I use
'mobile-phone' and 'mobile-broadband' in quotes, because you probably
can use a 'mobile-phone' SIM in a 'mobile-broadband' modem and vice
versa, at least that has been the case for the 'mobile-phone' SIMs I
used.

FYI/FWIW, I use the mobile-phone products (700MB Browse Plus Pack for
$20) when I'm in Oz (for 2-3 months at a time). One of my Aussie rellies
uses the 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time mobile-broadband
product.

HTH.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote

"reply to" set for aus.computers
reversed

Hello World.

Goodbye Worm.

I read the statement in attribution
"There is no jungle in this country"
to then keyphrase search the owner. Ignore my
post should you be sure you (poster) are right.

I know he is right.

Where I live;

That's not live...

http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?station=Mt+Myrtle.QLD
I assure you it is "jungle" - Mega Acres of it!
Wrong.

The section of your post that interests me.
We are using an ADSL connection, where the exchange
is I have no idea but I suspect Mt. Myrtle which is around
four kilometres away, as the crow flies. During the wet
season the connection is 85% out of service, I am told
due to water intrusion of the cable pits.

In more than 5 years "ADSL noise" is proven to be nonrepairable.
The problems with installing fibre here would parallel those of the
existing cable (I would think)

But wouldn't care about water.

but whatever we have been told it will happen by 20-------------------->?

Not possible to say given that Labor will be flushed where they belong.

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.

Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to
the unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable
need for the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs
which is more than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as
we believe we are subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB
per month, tops.

So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which
will provide that low a usage and reflect a low cost.

Yes, dodo has one.

I understand the telephone will be disconnected, with us to consider
that also in that we have avoided "bundling" until now and now it
seems we will have to bundle on current offers being made?

No, its still optional with most.

Please no more of this jungle denial platform[*]phobia. LOL

This is no laughing matter, and nothing to do with fear either.

 

[Rod Speed]

That's your local pound violating the animal rights.
Nope.

I know it's bullshit,
Nope..

'cos they would goto jail if they are to kill ALL the cats.

Bullshit. As long as they kill them humanely, and
they do, there is nothing illegal about what they
are doing and so no way for them to go to jail.

The law dictates they are to keep them for a mandatory length of time
Yes.

and never to kill, if they are microchipped or have owner tags.

Wrong when the owner cannot be found because they have
not bothered to keep the owner information up to date.

And the vast bulk of them arent microchipped anyway.

They have adoption programs affiliated with RSPCA.
Wrong.

Either you are bullshitting
Nope.

or you are passing somebody else's bullshit.

Nope. That direct from the individual that does find
new homes for at least some of the dogs, and was
quoted saying that in the local newspaper, and
there was no denial of that from the council.

Yep, at the peak of Bosnian and Vietnam issues, it was much more than
that.

Wrong, as always.

He only fucked up boat people issue and insulation thing.

He fucked up EVERYTHING he touched.

He fucked up the NBN completely, going for $50B
pissed against the wall when he discovered that no
one was prepared to tender for his hare brained FTTN.

He pissed billions against the wall on school halls that
we did not need.

He handed out thousands to those who did not need anything.

He fucked up the mining tax completely.

He couldn’t even work out how to return the budget to surplus either.

He fucked up the ETS completely.

The boat thing, he could've fixed,
Bullshit.

but got kicked out before that.

More bullshit.

The rest are all achievements.

And even more pig ignorant bullshit.

Some are, some not.

None are.

And the bums on the boats give them up when faced with lengthy jail terms.

None of them get lengthy jail terms.

That's how some of them were caught.
Bullshit.

The keyword is 'currently',

Nope, not while ever we see THOUSANDS A WEEK.

and only 'cos we blow it out of proportions closer to elections.

Bullshit, its been a problem all this fucking year.

And a fair number of them are here, they are Australian citizens, who
happens to be former refugees.

Pity isnt even possible to 'catch' those.

This is why it's important to work closely with Indonesia, instead of
pissing them off like stupid Abbot gang is doing now.

Even sillier.

AFP can always track them down in Indonesia with the help of Indonesian
pollys.

Even sillier.

 

[Damian]

Sure, some don’t have nice tidy keywords to use.

Even this one which does isn't that easy, essentially because
FTTN was not used much in the discussion at that time,
essentially because no one that mattered much had actually
been stupid enough to propose FTTP instead at the time that
fool had proposed his FTTN scheme in the election campaign
that got him into govt and even with the earlier Telstra proposal
to do FTTN by that stupid obese yank Burgess didn’t use that term.


I do when its easy enough to find.

Nothing easy about finding old tenders and a term(FTTN) Krudd has never
used.

I never use that phrase and you can prove that using groups.google

I'm not rabid enough to reproduce it word by word. But the essense is there.

 

[Damian]

With such low usage, a *mobile* Internet connection will probably be
the cheapest and fast enough.

Even with 'expensive' Telstra and even on pre-paid, that shouldn't set
you back more than $20-$30 a month. Or you can take the easy/cheap(er)
route: 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time (i.e. average 1GB/month at
average $15/month).

If you use a mobile broadband modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/mobile-broadband/prepaid/rates/index.htm>

If you use a mobile phone as a data modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/prepaid-mobiles/offers-rates/plus-packs>

The data costs for the 'mobile-phone' products are somewhat lower than
for the 'mobile-broadband' products, but the speeds are lower. I use
'mobile-phone' and 'mobile-broadband' in quotes, because you probably
can use a 'mobile-phone' SIM in a 'mobile-broadband' modem and vice
versa, at least that has been the case for the 'mobile-phone' SIMs I
used.

FYI/FWIW, I use the mobile-phone products (700MB Browse Plus Pack for
$20) when I'm in Oz (for 2-3 months at a time). One of my Aussie rellies
uses the 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time mobile-broadband
product.

Which company's offering those products?! Telstra, obviously.
It's interesting they don't have prepaid mobile broadband packages with long
expiry date and low data allowance!

 

[Damian]

Goodbye Worm.

I know he is right.


That's not live...




But wouldn't care about water.

Not possible to say given that Labor will be flushed where they belong.

Dreaming!.....even if they lose, it won't be anywhere near a flush.

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.

Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to the
unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need for the
bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is more than
we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.

So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide that
low a usage and reflect a low cost.

Yes, dodo has one.

I understand the telephone will be disconnected, with us to consider that
also in that we have avoided "bundling" until now and now it seems we
will have to bundle on current offers being made?

No, its still optional with most.

Please no more of this jungle denial platform[*]phobia. LOL

This is no laughing matter, and nothing to do with fear either.

No fear, No favours, eh?!!

 

[Damian]

Bullshit. As long as they kill them humanely,

Bullshit. There's no such animal.

and
they do, there is nothing illegal about what they
are doing and so no way for them to go to jail.

'cos nobody's gives a rat's arse.
Number of abandoned pets are lot higher than 'boat people' arrivals.
So, the fuckers eventually 'have to' kill some of the perfectly healthy cats
and dogs, since there is no room for them in the pounds(and the cats, if
they become feral, they are bad news for natives, so there's a good excuse
to kill them in vast numbers)
Retarded pollies like Coward and Abattoire would've like to try that on boat
people too, eh?!!
I think constitution or something get in their way.

Wrong when the owner cannot be found because they have
not bothered to keep the owner information up to date.

And the vast bulk of them arent microchipped anyway.

Wrong.

Right.
Dunno about your town though.
Some areas the pound is basically RSPCA shelter.

 

[Damian]

Yes, you are wrong, particularly for the most remote
communitys that don’t have fiber optic into the town at all.

I must be wrong then.
These are few deals available now, whether it's NBN type or non NBN sat
internet
http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/satellite/
http://www.skymesh.net.au/services/nbn/satellite/
http://www.skymesh.net.au/services/nbn/satellite/srss.php

Dunno whether i should trust them with 5-6Mbps speed they claim to provide
though.

And also not sure the reason for Telstra sat deals are crap with speed and
price wise.

Not that there are very many of those at all left now tho.

Its still the best way to do broadband for the largest
rural propertys where its not feasible to do by fiber either.

No argument there. Vast majority of the central Australia won't be feasible
to cover by fibre.
Mobile+sat internet is the solution.

My problem is that, many outback towns/stations that I visit have shitty sat
internet connection speeds.
Dunno how to explain that, if the things are so promising as it's being
implied.

 

[Damian]

Only one step down from the 4G seen in the larger
towns now and that will be changing over time too
as 4G moves out to everywhere on the Telstra system.

That sounds promising.
I'm yet to trial a 4G phone and speeds they can provide.

 

[Rod Speed]

Which company's offering those products?! Telstra, obviously.
It's interesting they don't have prepaid mobile broadband packages with
long expiry date and low data allowance!

They do actually.

 

[Rod Speed]

Dreaming!.....

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of
it.

even if they lose, it won't be anywhere near a flush.

You watch. They'll be flushed as comprehensively as NSW and Qld Labor where.

That’s why the Dud was assassinated in the first place and why
Juliar was assassinated too and why almost all of the ministers
have decided to pull the plug on their political careers now.

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.

Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to the
unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need for
the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is more
than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.

So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide that
low a usage and reflect a low cost.

Yes, dodo has one.

I understand the telephone will be disconnected, with us to consider
that also in that we have avoided "bundling" until now and now it seems
we will have to bundle on current offers being made?

No, its still optional with most.

Please no more of this jungle denial platform[*]phobia. LOL

This is no laughing matter, and nothing to do with fear either.

No fear, No favours, eh?!!

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

Bullshit. There's no such animal.

Corse there is, lethal injection.

'cos nobody's gives a rat's arse.

Cos it aint illegal.

Number of abandoned pets are lot higher than 'boat people' arrivals.
Irrelevant.

So, the fuckers eventually 'have to' kill some of the perfectly healthy
cats and dogs, since there is no room for them in the pounds

Because no one wants them at all.

(and the cats, if they become feral, they are bad news for natives, so
there's a good excuse to kill them in vast numbers)

That’s not the reason they are killed.

Retarded pollies like Coward and Abattoire would've like to try that on
boat people too, eh?!!

That’s what the voters want. You get to like that or lump it.

I think constitution or something get in their way.

You're wrong, as always.

Nope.

Dunno about your town though.

Or about anything else at all either.

Some areas the pound is basically RSPCA shelter.

Nowhere is that what happens.

 

[Rod Speed]

I must be wrong then.
These are few deals available now, whether it's NBN type or non NBN sat
internet

That’s bullshit, there are in fact plenty.

http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/satellite/
http://www.skymesh.net.au/services/nbn/satellite/
http://www.skymesh.net.au/services/nbn/satellite/srss.php

Dunno whether i should trust them with 5-6Mbps speed they claim to provide
though.

And also not sure the reason for Telstra sat deals are crap with speed and
price wise.

Because they got lumbered with that and don’t care about it.

No argument there. Vast majority of the central Australia won't be
feasible to cover by fibre.
Mobile+sat internet is the solution.

There's no one there anyway.

My problem is that, many outback towns/stations that I visit have shitty
sat internet connection speeds.

Because no one is prepared to pay for anything better.

The schools do have decent net speeds.

Dunno how to explain that,

No one is prepared to pay for it for blow ins like you to use.

Most of the blow ins are only prepared to pay for a wireless broadband
service.

 

[Damian]

Corse there is, lethal injection.

Try a lethal injection up your arse and come back and tell me it's 'humane'.
There's no such animal.

Cos it aint illegal.

Of course it's illegal to kill animals without giving due time to find a
foster home, etc.
But they are so flooded with abandoned pets, they simply can't handle the
numbers,
hence they put them down.
I know, 'cos I volunteer in shelters, rspca, etc.

Irrelevant.

Totally relevent.

Because no one wants them at all.

Exactly my point. just like boat people, ha?!!

That’s not the reason they are killed.

No. 'cos they can't handle the numbers.

That’s what the voters want. You get to like that or lump it.

That's why we lumped it to tiny roll of poop and showed it with him down the
sewer where he belongs.
Same thing is about to happen to his star pupil.
Wait and enjoy when that happens. Then he can goto the old island and start
royal bum sniffing(and you too).

You're wrong, as always.



Nope.

Yep, stupid. I kow 'cos I visit and volunteer.
Some places RSPCA shelter is basically the local pound, which is a better
IMO, 'cos most of the shit happens in council pounds.
I've seen how 'humanely' they put down animals. Bullshit it is.
I know lot of shit, you couldn't have a chance in hell finding on your
little wheelchair.

Or about anything else at all either.

Certainly know more about pounds and RSPCA(and refugees), rather than
bullshitting on google information.

Nowhere is that what happens.

Bullshit! I know 'cos I go and visit/volunteer in those places.
Just talk about things you have some chance of knowing man.

 

[Damian]

[...]
Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.
Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to
the unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need
for the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is
more
than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.
So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide
that
low a usage and reflect a low cost. I understand the telephone will be
disconnected, with us to consider that also in that we have avoided
"bundling" until now and now it seems we will have to bundle on
current offers being made?

With such low usage, a *mobile* Internet connection will probably be
the cheapest and fast enough.

Even with 'expensive' Telstra and even on pre-paid, that shouldn't set
you back more than $20-$30 a month. Or you can take the easy/cheap(er)
route: 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time (i.e. average 1GB/month at
average $15/month).

If you use a mobile broadband modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/mobile-broadband/prepaid/rates/index.htm>

If you use a mobile phone as a data modem:

<http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/prepaid-mobiles/offers-rates/plus-packs>

The data costs for the 'mobile-phone' products are somewhat lower than
for the 'mobile-broadband' products, but the speeds are lower. I use
'mobile-phone' and 'mobile-broadband' in quotes, because you probably
can use a 'mobile-phone' SIM in a 'mobile-broadband' modem and vice
versa, at least that has been the case for the 'mobile-phone' SIMs I
used.

FYI/FWIW, I use the mobile-phone products (700MB Browse Plus Pack for
$20) when I'm in Oz (for 2-3 months at a time). One of my Aussie rellies
uses the 12GB at $180 with a 1 year expiry time mobile-broadband
product.

Which company's offering those products?! Telstra, obviously.
It's interesting they don't have prepaid mobile broadband packages with
long expiry date and low data allowance!

They do actually.

Ok. couldn't see it in above links though.
I'm talking about paying $10/$20 for 1Gig and having the expiry date for
around a year or so.

 

[Damian]

Dreaming!.....

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of
it.

even if they lose, it won't be anywhere near a flush.

You watch. They'll be flushed as comprehensively as NSW and Qld Labor
where.

That’s why the Dud was assassinated in the first place and why
Juliar was assassinated too and why almost all of the ministers
have decided to pull the plug on their political careers now.

Regardless, with empty nest and twilight years fast approaching we are
selling and moving to a unit in Townsville we bought some years ago.
We hope to be in by September should our dear tenants vacate the lease.
There is why I post.

Information we have so far is saying FTTN(?) will be connected to the
unit in August coming. Our problem is we have no foreseeable need for
the bandwidth plans being offered, and baulk at the costs which is more
than we pay now, remembering that use is a waste as we believe we are
subsidising others with our meagre 500 - 800MB per month, tops.

So I ask if there is any plan known to the board which will provide
that low a usage and reflect a low cost.

Yes, dodo has one.
I understand the telephone will be disconnected, with us to consider
that also in that we have avoided "bundling" until now and now it seems
we will have to bundle on current offers being made?

No, its still optional with most.
Please no more of this jungle denial platform[*]phobia. LOL

This is no laughing matter, and nothing to do with fear either.

No fear, No favours, eh?!!

Nope.

I like that ending phrase by Andrew Bolt. )

 

[Damian]

That’s bullshit, there are in fact plenty.

That's exactly what I meant. Are you pissed again?!
I warned you about mixing crack with booze.

Because they got lumbered with that and don’t care about it.



There's no one there anyway.

I was there, plenty other trekkers and resort owners.
Not to mention aborigenes.
They need broadband more than anyone else there.

Because no one is prepared to pay for anything better.

The resort owners can't afford decent internet?! They have no problem
charging scary prices on shitty tent accommodation.
Prices comes out there rear end. Must be a tough business.

The schools do have decent net speeds.

Didn't visit schools.
I wasn't there as a teacher.

No one is prepared to pay for it for blow ins like you to use.

Ok.
Would they pay for it for blow outs like you?!

Most of the blow ins are only prepared to pay for a wireless broadband
service.

And wireless broadband in outback towns are crappy?!

 

[Rod Speed]

Try a lethal injection up your arse and come back and tell me it's
'humane'.

Its no worse than any injection, fuckwit.

There's no such animal.

Wrong, as always.

Of course it's illegal to kill animals without giving due time to find a
foster home, etc.

Have fun listing even a single law that says anything like that.

But they are so flooded with abandoned pets, they simply can't handle the
numbers,
hence they put them down.

And there is nothing illegal about that.

I know, 'cos I volunteer in shelters, rspca, etc.

Irrelevant to what is illegal.

Totally relevant.

Completely irrelevant.

None of the rest of your peurile silly shit worth bothering with.

If you cant do any better than this juvenile shit, you'll just be ignored.