B-FTP vs B-FHTP Electrical Motor

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  1. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    I am trying to replace a 120v C-Frame Shaded Pole motor in a kickspace
    heater. It was installed in 1978.
    I can't find that spec ( B-FHTP) but only the B-FTP spec.
    It is a small motor that was made by Gould and it drives a small fan over
    the electric heating elements.
    Type: B-FHTP
    120v 60Hz 0.47a
    301-2754
    Thermally Protected

    So, can a B-FTP C-frame shaded pole motor be substituted for a B-FHTP motor?
    Out of curiosity, what do those letters stand for and any ideas on where to
    find a replacement motor?
    I've been searching on the Internet for over 2hrs.
    Thanks,
    Buffalo
    PS: Perhaps not the right ng, but I thought I'd try, esp for the definition.
     
    Buffalo, Oct 8, 2013
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  2. Buffalo

    Rich. Guest

    "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    news:l31o80$590$...
    >I am trying to replace a 120v C-Frame Shaded Pole motor in a kickspace
    >heater. It was installed in 1978.
    > I can't find that spec ( B-FHTP) but only the B-FTP spec.
    > It is a small motor that was made by Gould and it drives a small fan over
    > the electric heating elements.
    > Type: B-FHTP
    > 120v 60Hz 0.47a
    > 301-2754
    > Thermally Protected
    >
    > So, can a B-FTP C-frame shaded pole motor be substituted for a B-FHTP
    > motor?
    > Out of curiosity, what do those letters stand for and any ideas on where
    > to find a replacement motor?
    > I've been searching on the Internet for over 2hrs.
    > Thanks,
    > Buffalo
    > PS: Perhaps not the right ng, but I thought I'd try, esp for the
    > definition.
    >


    As long as the specs and mounting holes match you can use what you want.

    Try here:
    http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/c-.../ecatalog/N-9y3?Ndr=basedimid10071&sst=subset
     
    Rich., Oct 8, 2013
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  3. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >
    >
    >"Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >news:l31o80$590$...
    >>I am trying to replace a 120v C-Frame Shaded Pole motor in a kickspace
    >>heater. It was installed in 1978.
    >> I can't find that spec ( B-FHTP) but only the B-FTP spec.
    >> It is a small motor that was made by Gould and it drives a small fan over
    >> the electric heating elements.
    >> Type: B-FHTP
    >> 120v 60Hz 0.47a
    >> 301-2754
    >> Thermally Protected
    >>
    >> So, can a B-FTP C-frame shaded pole motor be substituted for a B-FHTP
    >> motor?
    >> Out of curiosity, what do those letters stand for and any ideas on where
    >> to find a replacement motor?
    >> I've been searching on the Internet for over 2hrs.
    >> Thanks,
    >> Buffalo
    >> PS: Perhaps not the right ng, but I thought I'd try, esp for the
    >> definition.
    >>

    >
    >As long as the specs and mounting holes match you can use what you want.
    >
    >Try here:
    >http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/c-.../ecatalog/N-9y3?Ndr=basedimid10071&sst=subset


    Thanks, I 've been on the Grainger site several times. Hard to find the same
    specs and I don't even know what the speed of the old motor is. However it
    is a CW rotation. Since most bathroom fan motors, etc seem to turn around
    3000 rpm, I'm hoping that is what I need or will work.
    Yep, I've matched up the shaft diameter, shaft length is not close (all
    longer), but I can always shorten it with a hacksaw, mounting holes are 1
    7/8"which I can find.
    Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    Thanks for your reply.
    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 8, 2013
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  4. Buffalo

    Rich. Guest

    "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    news:l31ter$4o0$...
    > Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    > compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    > Thanks for your reply.


    I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just
    manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly suspect
    the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of withstand higher
    temperatures.
     
    Rich., Oct 8, 2013
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  5. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >
    >
    >"Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >> Thanks for your reply.

    >
    >I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just
    >manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly suspect
    >the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of withstand higher
    >temperatures.


    That was one of my main concerns; the higher temperature environment it will
    be in.
    Thanks,
    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 9, 2013
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  6. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >
    >
    >"Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >> Thanks for your reply.

    >
    >I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just
    >manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly suspect
    >the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of withstand higher
    >temperatures.


    Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off the
    motor?
    Thanks,
    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 9, 2013
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  7. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >
    >"Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>
    >>
    >>"Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>> Thanks for your reply.

    >>
    >>I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just
    >>manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly
    >>suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of withstand
    >>higher temperatures.

    >
    >Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off the
    >motor? Thanks,

    Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    Thanks,
    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 17, 2013
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  8. Buffalo

    Guest

    On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:47:19 PM UTC+1, Buffalo wrote:
    > "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >
    > >

    >
    > >"Rich." wrote in message news:...

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>"Buffalo" <> wrote in message

    >
    > >>news:l31ter$4o0$...

    >
    > >>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is

    >
    > >>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.

    >
    > >>> Thanks for your reply.

    >
    > >>

    >
    > >>I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just

    >
    > >>manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly

    >
    > >>suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of withstand

    >
    > >>higher temperatures.

    >
    > >

    >
    > >Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off the

    >
    > >motor? Thanks,

    >
    > Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    >
    > give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > --
    >
    > Buffalo


    Moaning is _not_ a good way to encourage answers.
     
    , Oct 17, 2013
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  9. Buffalo

    Tom Biasi Guest

    On 10/17/2013 2:47 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    > "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>
    >> "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>>> Thanks for your reply.
    >>>
    >>> I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could
    >>> just manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I
    >>> highly suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable
    >>> of withstand higher temperatures.

    >>
    >> Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off
    >> the motor? Thanks,

    > Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    > give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    > Thanks,

    I suspect if someone could have they would have, or do you want someone
    to do research for you?
     
    Tom Biasi, Oct 17, 2013
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  10. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    wrote in message
    news:...
    >
    >On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:47:19 PM UTC+1, Buffalo wrote:
    >> "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>
    >> >

    >>
    >> >"Rich." wrote in message news:...

    >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >> >>"Buffalo" <> wrote in message

    >>
    >> >>news:l31ter$4o0$...

    >>
    >> >>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is

    >>
    >> >>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.

    >>
    >> >>> Thanks for your reply.

    >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >> >>I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could just

    >>
    >> >>manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I highly

    >>
    >> >>suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable of
    >> >>withstand

    >>
    >> >>higher temperatures.

    >>
    >> >

    >>
    >> >Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off the

    >>
    >> >motor? Thanks,

    >>
    >> Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    >>
    >> give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Buffalo

    >
    >Moaning is _not_ a good way to encourage answers.


    I was just trying to apply some pressure to an 'electrical engineering'
    newsgroup.
    Didn't work.
    Hell, I figured engineers would know (or at least give me some hints on how
    to find my answer. I spent several hours Googling, etc.) My mistake.
    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 17, 2013
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  11. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:1GW7u.25084$...
    >
    >On 10/17/2013 2:47 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >> "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>>
    >>> "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>>>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>>>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>>>> Thanks for your reply.
    >>>>
    >>>> I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could
    >>>> just manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I
    >>>> highly suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable
    >>>> of withstand higher temperatures.
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off
    >>> the motor? Thanks,

    >> Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    >> give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >> Thanks,

    >I suspect if someone could have they would have, or do you want someone to
    >do research for you?


    I tried researching on Google, etc for several hours. Didn't find it and
    then I found this ng, which has a good sounding name, and thought I would
    ask, what I thought would be a pretty easy question, for electrical
    engineers.
    I guess I was wrong.

    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 17, 2013
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  12. Buffalo

    Tom Biasi Guest

    On 10/17/2013 3:50 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    > "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:1GW7u.25084$...
    >>
    >> On 10/17/2013 2:47 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >>> "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>>>>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>>>>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>>>>> Thanks for your reply.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could
    >>>>> just manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I
    >>>>> highly suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable
    >>>>> of withstand higher temperatures.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off
    >>>> the motor? Thanks,
    >>> Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at least
    >>> give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >>> Thanks,

    >> I suspect if someone could have they would have, or do you want
    >> someone to do research for you?

    >
    > I tried researching on Google, etc for several hours. Didn't find it and
    > then I found this ng, which has a good sounding name, and thought I
    > would ask, what I thought would be a pretty easy question, for
    > electrical engineers.
    > I guess I was wrong.
    >

    Did you call the manufacturer and ask what those letters mean?
     
    Tom Biasi, Oct 17, 2013
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  13. Buffalo

    Buffalo Guest

    "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:fCX7u.23548$...
    >
    >On 10/17/2013 3:50 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >> "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:1GW7u.25084$...
    >>>
    >>> On 10/17/2013 2:47 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >>>> "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>>>>>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>>>>>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>>>>>> Thanks for your reply.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could
    >>>>>> just manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I
    >>>>>> highly suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable
    >>>>>> of withstand higher temperatures.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off
    >>>>> the motor? Thanks,
    >>>> Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at
    >>>> least
    >>>> give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >>>> Thanks,
    >>> I suspect if someone could have they would have, or do you want
    >>> someone to do research for you?

    >>
    >> I tried researching on Google, etc for several hours. Didn't find it and
    >> then I found this ng, which has a good sounding name, and thought I
    >> would ask, what I thought would be a pretty easy question, for
    >> electrical engineers.
    >> I guess I was wrong.
    >>

    >Did you call the manufacturer and ask what those letters mean?

    The mfg of the motor was Gould.
    I found nothing on their homepage.
    The printing on the motor, which was for a toe-space heater was:
    B-FHTP 120v 60Hz .47A 301-2754 it's rotation is CWSE, rotational shaft
    speed was unknown, no label on the toe-space housing unit itself.
    it is a C-Frame motor. It is used to blow air through a toe-space heater (on
    a 20A 2-pole circuit)
    I did call globalindustrial.com which sells electrical motors and no help
    there.
    The toe-space heater was installed in 1978. Hopefully this info will help.
    Sorry that I didn't provide the above info earlier, but I thought that the
    B-FHTP vs B-FTP was most likely all that was needed.
    Thanks for any additional info or ideas.

    --
    Buffalo
     
    Buffalo, Oct 17, 2013
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  14. Buffalo

    Tom Biasi Guest

    On 10/17/2013 5:41 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    > "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:fCX7u.23548$...
    >>
    >> On 10/17/2013 3:50 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >>> "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:1GW7u.25084$...
    >>>>
    >>>> On 10/17/2013 2:47 PM, Buffalo wrote:
    >>>>> "Buffalo" wrote in message news:l33t7o$p13$...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Rich." wrote in message news:...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Buffalo" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:l31ter$4o0$...
    >>>>>>>> Any idea what the B-FHTP and B-FTP stand for? Hopefully a B-FTP is
    >>>>>>>> compatible to the temp rating of a B-FHTP.
    >>>>>>>> Thanks for your reply.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I've never heard of those letter designations before. Those could
    >>>>>>> just manufacture codes that mean nothing to the general public. I
    >>>>>>> highly suspect the H designates the motor as a heater motor capable
    >>>>>>> of withstand higher temperatures.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Any ideas or thoughts if it just means higher temp leads coming off
    >>>>>> the motor? Thanks,
    >>>>> Can't anyone in this 'engineering' group answer the question or at
    >>>>> least
    >>>>> give me a hint on how to find out the answer?
    >>>>> Thanks,
    >>>> I suspect if someone could have they would have, or do you want
    >>>> someone to do research for you?
    >>>
    >>> I tried researching on Google, etc for several hours. Didn't find it and
    >>> then I found this ng, which has a good sounding name, and thought I
    >>> would ask, what I thought would be a pretty easy question, for
    >>> electrical engineers.
    >>> I guess I was wrong.
    >>>

    >> Did you call the manufacturer and ask what those letters mean?

    > The mfg of the motor was Gould.
    > I found nothing on their homepage.
    > The printing on the motor, which was for a toe-space heater was:
    > B-FHTP 120v 60Hz .47A 301-2754 it's rotation is CWSE, rotational shaft
    > speed was unknown, no label on the toe-space housing unit itself.
    > it is a C-Frame motor. It is used to blow air through a toe-space heater
    > (on a 20A 2-pole circuit)
    > I did call globalindustrial.com which sells electrical motors and no
    > help there.
    > The toe-space heater was installed in 1978. Hopefully this info will help.
    > Sorry that I didn't provide the above info earlier, but I thought that
    > the B-FHTP vs B-FTP was most likely all that was needed.
    > Thanks for any additional info or ideas.
    >

    If you have a Grainger near you show them the motor.
     
    Tom Biasi, Oct 17, 2013
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