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Nomen Nescio

Jan 1, 1970
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Norm Mugford said:
I've never had a problem with 135 degree heats in attics,
in Connecticut or here in Florida.

What experiences have you had that causes you to
recommend a 194 or 200 degree heat?


Norm, you should not use 135 degree heat detectors in locations where
ceiling temperature exceeds 100 degrees. See the following link for proof
(scroll down to "Specifications"):

http://www.chemetronics.com/500.shtml

I think we can all agree that attics sometimes exceed 100 degrees. And
yes, I have seen 135 degree rate of rise heads pop. It's not the rate of
rise portion that goes, it's the fixed temperature sensor that melts.

In almost all fires, the rate of rise detection system will trip long
before the fixed temperature is reached. The only exception is a fire
where the increase in temperature is very gradual. The rate of rise sensor
is exactly the same in a 136 degree detector as in a 190 degree detector,
meaning that in almost all cases, both units will perform identically. So
there is little to lose by using a 190 degree detector, and much
reliability to be gained.

- badenov
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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You can get a 135 to trip with just the heat from rubbing your hands together.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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Like ice.

Seriously that's how we test them (not very accurate, but it works)...rub your hands together really fast than put them on the heat detector.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Seriously that's how we test them (not very
accurate, but it works)...rub your hands
together really fast than put them on the
heat detector.

I soak a washcloth in warm water, wring it out and wipe the surface of the
detector. It makes for an easy test and cleans the surface at the same
time. Tap water is rarely hot enough to melt the fixed-temperature sensor.
If it was the cloth would be too hot to touch. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for your response, that's all I was looking for.

Norm
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for your response, that's all I was looking for.

If you had any experience as an installer you would have known this sort of
thing.
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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I have the experience Mr. Bass.....
You couldn't give any reason to your answer other
than you had a quarter century experience.
You could not provide anything but your
experience and your experience is questionable,
knowing that you lie constantly. What is true about
your experience is that you're a convicted felon.

Norm Mugford
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I have the experience Mr. Bass.....

And yet you've been installing the wrong detectors for ... how many years???
You couldn't give any reason to your answer...

I *chose* not to give a detailed reply since you've been such a repugnant
jerk for several years.
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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You didn't have a detailed reply, that's why you
didn't give one........
I guess you couldn't copy someone else's spec sheet
and paste it fast enough.


Norm Mugford
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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You didn't have a detailed reply, that's why you
didn't give one........
I guess you couldn't copy someone else's spec sheet
and paste it fast enough.

I knew the proper device to use while you didn't. I've installed the
correct ones for decades while you've installed the wrong ones (that is,
assuming you've ever actually installed anything at all). Interesting how
you try to turn that into an attack on my credibility. Seems as though
you've been studying at the Ashbury Institute. :^)
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr. bass, that was not an attack on your credibility,
you don't have any credibility.......

Norm Mugford
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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This is like the commissioner of Major League
Baseball asking "how many bats do we go
through a season?"

Mugford is not major league anything. He owns a small alarm company. He
accepted the almost non-paying seat on the board which most dealers are not
at all interested in so he could use it to promote his own sales. He has
little knowledge of the installation trade since he's not an installer.
And a "bay-boy" replying...

This particular "bat boy" has spent more years installing and servicing
alarms than you, Mugford and half the posters here combined. The very fact
that Mugford claims using the wrong detector for years -- one which would
certainly cause repeated false alarms in Florida attics -- proves he has no
knowledge of actual trade practices. If he had actually installed even one
of them in a Florida attic he would have known this.

It took several people repeatedly telling him how wrong he was for him to
see that. Feel free to continue trying to explain away Mugford's lack of
knowledge. It's almost as amusing as your phony ".gov" e-mail address.
Batter up!

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Go back to Brazil Basshole.....

It's peacefull when your gone.

But then I guess you could get a license in Brazil
by paying someone off. Cause you can't get one in Florida....

Norm Mugford
 
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Karl Magnus

Jan 1, 1970
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This is like the commissioner of Major League Baseball asking "how many
bats do we go through a season?"

And a "bay-boy" replying, "If you had any experience as a bat-boy, you
would have know this sort of thing."
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Are you saying that you need to be an
installer to have knowledge of the
installation trade?

I'm saying that he isn't and he doesn't. Any questions?
 
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Allan Waghalter

Jan 1, 1970
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Norm,
If you would use a 135 in the attic, where would you put a 194?
In Houston, our attics are normally in the 135 degree range all summer. It
would be absurd to use the inside rated smoke in the attic. I doubt that
the attics are any cooler in Florida. Our weather is pretty much the same
as yours.
Allan
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
I'm saying that he isn't and he doesn't. Any questions?


I don't want to "start anything" here, Robert. This is just an observation.
You've posted about a dozen or so responses here since your return from
vacation. Have a quick peek and see how many are "shots" at individuals.
Pretty "eye opening" if you ask me...
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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If you would use a 135 in the attic, where
would you put a 194? In Houston, our
attics are normally in the 135 degree range
all summer. It would be absurd to use the
inside rated smoke in the attic. I doubt
that the attics are any cooler in Florida.
Our weather is pretty much the same as
yours.

You're absolutely right Tom.

Mugford lives a bit north of Tampa. The climate is the same as it is
here -- about 2-3 hours to the south. Outside temperatures in full summer
can top 100ºF at times. Asphalt roofed attics routinely exceed 135ºF.
Anyone with even one year's installation experience should know this. That
is why I seriously doubt that Mugford has even installed alarms
professionally. He's the salesman / owner of a small alarm company.

Even in Connecticut where I installed alarms professionally for nearly a
quarter century attic temperatures would exceed 135ºF on August afternoons.
I didn't even permit techs to enter an attic during summer afternoons due to
the hazard of heat stroke.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes, Are you saying that you need to be an installer to have knowledge of
the installation trade?

I'm saying that he is not an installer and he has no knowledge. That is
all. Clear?
 
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