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BryanW

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi All,

Just a short email to inform you that a new PIC related product has been
added to our online shop. Click the link for more details :)
https://www.kanda.com/browse.php3?partno=presto

Bryan (Embedded Results)

PS. The email used to post this is spam filtered so if you don't get a reply
then it filtered you too :) I hope I don't upset too many with this post...
 
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Alan Balmer

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi All,

Just a short email to inform you that a new PIC related product has been
added to our online shop. Click the link for more details :)
https://www.imaspammer.com/browse.php3?partno=presto

Bryan (Embedded Results)

PS. The email used to post this is spam filtered so if you don't get a reply
then it filtered you too :) I hope I don't upset too many with this post...
Unfortunately, it doesn't filter outgoing spam.

Ineffective hiding of the origin, too. Reports sent to:

[email protected]
[email protected]
 
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CBFalconer

Jan 1, 1970
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Alan said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't filter outgoing spam.

Ineffective hiding of the origin, too. Reports sent to:

[email protected]
[email protected]

I think you are being overly sensitive. The original was suitably
labelled, short and to the point, and possibly far more useful to
its readers than most of the messages here.

You should not alter quoted sections without a clear indication
that you have done so. However you are at liberty to quote only
what you desire.
 
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BryanW

Jan 1, 1970
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So Mr Balmer, tell me what spamming actually is.

Anoying people like you. If the [AD:] tag is not clear enough, then let me
explain. It means if you don't want to know if there is a new product being
offered and you don't want to read that sort of message then, don't read it.
Simple.

Oh and also, the hotmail address would have been better to complain to, I
posted a message that was quite clearly taged and I apologised to anyone who
I may have upset, but how else can this be done.

maybe you should in the future post to me to
comp.arch.embedded.pendantic.pillock

Bryan

PS. I reply to this message in this way to show that I won't take this sort
of crap from people just because usenet thinks this acceptable, everyone
deserves a living.
 
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Alan Balmer

Jan 1, 1970
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So Mr Balmer, tell me what spamming actually is.

Here's a definition which is apropos here:
Posting advertising, whether so labeled or not, in a newsgroup whose
charter does not explicitly allow such postings.

There are tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of vendors worldwide
who sell some product related to embedded systems. What would be the
result if say one-tenth of one percent of these posted an ad each day?
Anoying people like you. If the [AD:] tag is not clear enough, then let me
explain. It means if you don't want to know if there is a new product being
offered and you don't want to read that sort of message then, don't read it.
Simple.

Oh and also, the hotmail address would have been better to complain to,

I disagree.
I
posted a message that was quite clearly taged and I apologised to anyone who
I may have upset,

Which means that you anticipated a negative reaction, but chose to
post your ad regardless.
but how else can this be done.

That's an easy one :) There's a standard answer, for practically any
usenet group. Continue to participate in the group, starting and
contributing to technical discussions, and put a reference and link to
your business in a short (4 lines or less) sig block, properly
delimited with the standard "-- " (dash dash space) separator.

This is so that conforming news readers will strip the sig block on
replies. Unfortunately, Microsoft Outlook is not a conforming news
reader and even makes it difficult to quote and properly intersperse
quotes and responses. If you'd like to improve that situation and
still use Outlook, there's a free add-in named OE-QuoteFix which many
people say is good.
 
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BryanW

Jan 1, 1970
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Which means that you anticipated a negative reaction, but chose to
post your ad regardless.

No, I have been using usenet for 10 years and know that there is always
someone ready to complain. I noticed that you only posted this attack to my
post and not the other numerous ones on these two newsgroups.

I will continue to post in the same way I have always done.

By the way, I don't use NTL so what is the use of complaining to them.

I think this will be my last reply as it is wasting so much of my message
bandwidth.

Do you want me to put the toys back before I go?

<killfiled>

Bryan
 
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david

Jan 1, 1970
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BryanW said:
So Mr Balmer, tell me what spamming actually is.

Anoying people like you. If the [AD:] tag is not clear enough, then let me
explain. It means if you don't want to know if there is a new product being
offered and you don't want to read that sort of message then, don't read it.
Simple.

Oh and also, the hotmail address would have been better to complain to, I
posted a message that was quite clearly taged and I apologised to anyone who
I may have upset, but how else can this be done.
I had to cut the rest out your ad was fine for me short and labelled as an
add my choice to read or not.

but don't start a war over some who is not going to make any difference to
the group with his attitude. But people will remember for too long if you
stir it up too.

David
 
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Dave Rose

Jan 1, 1970
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Do you want me to put the toys back before I go?
<killfiled>

Bryan

<SNIP>


Bryan,
I for one, found the AD useful.
But I think you will compromise your professionalism in entering pointless
slanging matches.
Dave
 
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Jim Stewart

Jan 1, 1970
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BryanW said:
in message


Hi Dave,

I've finished now :) I had a John Cleese moment. May go out and hit my car
with a tree branch or too though. I get so tired of offensive behaviour on
the newsgroups, I sort of lost it for a while, a few pints'o guiness have
chilled me out now.

A first-class cure, though my personal preference would
be a Spatan Optimator.
 
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Joe Legris

Jan 1, 1970
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Alan said:
Here's a definition which is apropos here:
Posting advertising, whether so labeled or not, in a newsgroup whose
charter does not explicitly allow such postings.

There are tens or perhaps hundreds of thousands of vendors worldwide
who sell some product related to embedded systems. What would be the
result if say one-tenth of one percent of these posted an ad each day?

Likewise there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of embedded
systems developers who read this group. What would be the result if,
say, one-tenth of one percent of these posted each day? Answer: a lively
newsgroup.

Bring on the advertisements!
 
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BryanW

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
A first-class cure, though my personal preference would
be a Spatan Optimator.

I live in wildest West Wales and I have to get what they sell.

Bryan
 
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Ben Bradley

Jan 1, 1970
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In alt.microcontrollers.8bit,comp.arch.embedded, "BryanW"
So Mr Balmer, tell me what spamming actually is.

Anoying people like you. If the [AD:] tag is not clear enough, then let me
explain. It means if you don't want to know if there is a new product being
offered and you don't want to read that sort of message then, don't read it.
Simple.

Oh and also, the hotmail address would have been better to complain to, I
posted a message that was quite clearly taged and I apologised to anyone who
I may have upset, but how else can this be done.
^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^

I presume this isn't rhetorical, but regardless, I'm going to
answer it.

Take out a banner ad or one of the more recent 'text' ads on
websites. That way, prospective customers see you're willing to put
your mney where your mouth is, rather than using a discussion forum
for advertising.
Also, someone mentioned participating in the discussions.
Netiquette allows up to a four-line signature for anything, whether
related to the the newsgroup or not: URL's for personal and/or
commercial websites with blurbs such as "New PIC related product,"
geek code, or even flaming personal opinions.

At least you've responded to the group (even if shamelessly), so
you're not the typical spammer who sees Usenet as a write-only medium.
maybe you should in the future post to me to
comp.arch.embedded.pendantic.pillock

Bryan

PS. I reply to this message in this way to show that I won't take this sort
of crap from people just because usenet thinks this acceptable, everyone
deserves a living.

There are appropriate ways to make a living, and making commercial
posts to Usenet discussion groups isn't one of them. Usenet doesn't
exist to provide free advertising.
 
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Paul Bealing

Jan 1, 1970
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Don said:
BryanW said:
Hi All,

Just a short email to inform you that a new PIC related product has been
added to our online shop. Click the link for more details :)
https://www.kanda.com/browse.php3?partno=presto


Hi Bryan,

As Chuck said, readers have become overly sensitive.

I too have been posting to usenet for about 10 years, and in recent
years I even tried the [AD:] subject line, and everything else that
readers increased their complains about.

In fact, the [AD:] with the colon inside the brackets, is a dead
giveaway that you also read the piclist :)

Up until about 2 years ago, I was still able to post several ads every
week, providing they were "OT" and new products, and not just re-hashes
of old items with a new twist.

Today, you can advertise the greatest new thing since sliced bread, be
spot on topic, and readers will complain.
Back only 2 or 3 years, they would be more tolerant, and mostly welcomed
any info about a new product.

Why has this happened?
Spam. It has killed another good feature that the Internet was able to
provide us with.
I was always ready to help anyone with any problem that was presented on
usenet, that I knew something about.
I used to live on usenet.
Now, I shy away from it, and may not read it for weeks at a time.

Today 23-apr-2004 in the news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup, I see a
subject line "Newbie help please", so I am a sucker and click on it.
What do I see: "All of your Viagra and sexual enhancement needs filled
here."
I get sick of seeing the same old spam themes continued daily on
newsgroups that I used to love dearly.

So I now rely on individual and Industry links to my pages, web
searches, my own newsgroup & newsletter, and personal recomendations.
It is very sad. I feel I have so many new and interesting products
available, but can no longer make "OT" announcements on usenet.

And that is the way it is today.
You can squarely blame spam for this.


Cheers Don...

I've also been following usenet for many years.

I think many of the on-topic adds are worth reading. I subscribe to some
magazines as much for the adds as for the articles. Anyone with an
interrest in this field who rejects adds and looks only to the opinions
of a vocal few is going to have a warped understanding of what's happening.

Often I see questions or threads that I think I could add to. I
generally don't any more, mainly because of the people who only seem to
complain and argue. It's just not worth it.

Ignoring the obvious spam, the on-topic discussion is currently of very
little value.

The obvious spam is a problem, but I think the people who argue and
insult are more of a problem because they destroy the value of usenet;
it's no longer a source of information and assistance.


Lets have more labeled, short, to-the-point, on-topic adverts please.


Regards
Paul Bealing
www.pmb.co.nz
 
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Geoff McCaughan

Jan 1, 1970
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In comp.arch.embedded Lewin A.R.W. Edwards said:
Usenet is about discussion. This means, generally, disagreement and
argument. The better-formed the arguments, the more valuable they are.

I disagree to a point. It is also, in forums like this, about information,
and not all disagreements/arguments are informative. A lot of the useful
information I see in this group is someone asking about how to do something,
and several people presenting alternative solutions and the benefit of their
experience.

To my mind information is the most useful facet of this type of group, and
argument isn't the only or always the best way to deliver information.
Advertisers - and BTW I don't object to the OP's ad, nor to Don's ads
- do not present impartial views of anything, and don't encourage
arguments that denigrate their products. It would be a sad day if we
entirely replaced the occasionally-religious arguments in c.a.e with
carefully-prepared advertising material.

I, too am quite tolerant of the ads you mention. I would quickly change my
view if someone started repeatedly posting the same ad - then it is pure
spam - it's no longer informative. There is also nothing stopping discussion
of these products here, and quite often one sees discussion of the relative
merits of commercial products.
 
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