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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Jon Yaeger, Apr 19, 2005.

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  1. Jon Yaeger

    Jon Yaeger Guest

    I believe that people who are enamored of XP really haven't had an
    opportunity to do much actual work on different platforms. Once they have,
    they'll realize quickly that XP is mediocre at best.

    For example, compared to OS X:

    1. Microsoft products cost more at each new release. This is contrary to
    other tech stuff (i.e. You get more for less over time). This is the
    hallmark of a monopoly. OS X has always been $129 (Linux is free).

    2. For the most part, the repair and recovery tools that Microsoft provides
    are inadequate, poorly documented, or don't do anything useful (like fix a
    busted install, with rare exceptions).

    3. When you buy Microsoft OS you'll also need to buy Norton or M cAfee,
    plus anti spyware, plus pop-up blockers, etc. I don't get pop-ups or
    harmful viruses with OS X. This is a huge difference, in initial cost and
    user experience.

    4. Need to transfer or back up applications to another drive (with the
    intention of actually using the app)? Can't do it with Microsoft. Simple
    with Mac. Huge drawback!

    5. System crashes typically take about 3-4X as long to resolve on Windows.
    The registry concept is a kluge and a mousetrap.

    6. XP's paranoia is really annoying. I was fixing a bad XP install and
    after every time I changed the System registry keys the OS forced me to
    re-register. It's a lot of fun calling some Indian fella and putting in 40
    digits or whatever . . ..
  2. Troll,
    We all know that XP is crap. However a MAC is not an option.
    First, all our software runs on Windows.
    Second, our compilers are for windows.
    Third, additional hardware plugs into a PC.

    There is always to option to stay with win2k which is
    pretty stable

  3. Hi,
    Or Linux which has all of the above.
  4. 0123456789ABCDEF


    After the first death, there is no other.
    (Dylan Thomas)
  5. Really ?
    Which compiler ?
    which applications ?

    BTW, I do have a linux machine.

  6. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    Wasn't it the Macintosh computer which still didn't had an MMU* when
    all other proper computers did? Macintosh is still way behind. OS X is
    just an attempt to keep up with the big boys.

    * An MMU allows for protected mode which makes each application run
    within its own memory area. If one application crashes, the OS can
    take it down gracefully.
  7. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    XP Home reatails at $99 and XP Pro is $149 ***when purchased with hardware***.
    I do agree that the "not purchased with hardware" prices are pretty absurd.
    Still, it's probably a safe assumption that well over 90% of all copies of XP
    sold either come with hardware.
    Well, my usage of recovery tools with Microsoft has been use of the recovery
    console and the "last known good profile." They've worked for me. I do agree
    documentation on them is pretty sketchy, although there's a certain catch-22
    here in that, if you system won't boot, you probably won't be able to access
    the documentation anyway. :)

    The tools could be better, I grant you -- I've seen people saved by the likes
    of Symantec's "GoBack," for instance, which is a lot easier for the average
    user to apply.

    I don't know what recovery tools OS X has, although I doubt it's anything
    comparable to GoBack.
    XP with service pack 2 comes with pop-up blocking, firewalls, etc. all
    built-in, and free pop-up blockers have been around for years.

    Does OS X come with anti-virus protection? That would be a tangible benefit.
    Nice feature. Realistically not something that people commonly want to do.
    (I'd bet you that >90% of all PC installations only have a single partition,
    and while we'd probably both agree multiple partitions are useful, your
    typical user just doesn't want to wrap their mind around it.)

    I take it OS X is like traditional UNIX where all the physical drives end up
    as one monolithic directory structure, so by using a soft link you can easily
    re-point an application to a different physical drive? I think the reason
    that Windows uses the somewhat lame "shortcut" approach is that FAT and FAT32
    don't HAVE directory links (NTFS does, though), and Windows had to work on
    older systems.
    I wouldn't know, the XP/Win2K machines I use crash, I dunno, maybe a couple
    times a year when I've been installing new software?
    I sort of used to think so and well, but I've read the design philosophy
    behind it and these days think it's actually not so bad. The idea is to have
    one central repository where applications can keep their settings for both
    global program install options as well as individual user settings. The
    alternative is something nasty like a bunch of .ini or .rc files in some
    system directory or individual user directories -- what a mess. With Windows,
    ..ini files never had more than a "two tier" hierarchy (sections and fields),
    so anyone wishing more depth than this had to role their own parser --
    something always true in the case of UNIX-style .rc configuration files.

    You could convince me that Windows ought to add the ability to import and
    export registry contents as XML files, though.
    If you're troubleshooting a system and break the activation, you've still got
    15 days of troubleshooting before you're forced to re-activate the product. I
    agree it is slightly annoying (it really does suck!), but whether or not
    software should be copy protected is some huge debate that's never going to be

    Oh, and as all the pirates immediately figured out, if you use the "corporate
    install" versions of XP, it doesn't have any of the activation nonsense
    anyway. :-(

  8. Jon Yaeger

    Jon Yaeger Guest


    So let me get this straight. When I voice an informed opinion I'm a troll.
    But if you do, you're enlightening mankind?


  9. No certainly not. But the mention of PC vs MAC is
    considered trolling. There are billions of these
    posts already. And none helps much. Mine neither,
    also posted many times. Never mind, just forget my

  10. Jon Yaeger

    Jon Yaeger Guest

    I'll forget yours in you forget mine . . ;-)

  11. Bob Eldred

    Bob Eldred Guest

    While we can agree about how crappy XP is especially it vulnerability to
    attack, spy ware and the like, most of the software I use is not available
    on the MAC or under Linux either for that matter. Apple missed the boat in
    not coding a version of the MAC OS for Intel and AMD machines. At one time
    they were talking of doing that and had they done so, they could have been a
    contender. That would have given us all multiple choices and may have
    spurred Gates toward better software. Furthermore, it could have given
    developers reason to develop for the MAC OS. As it is Apple's decision to
    stay away from 95% of the hardware has relegated them to less than 5% of the
    business, a real dumb move IMO. If their operating system is really
    superior, they could have ruled the roost but that is not to be. I've been
    hoping Linux would assume that position since Apple has abrogated the throne
    but I don't see much activity there either. Few of the programs I deal with
    are available in Linux. So, what the hell are we supposed to do? Like it or
    not we are stuck with Bill Gates.
  12. Guest

    Yes, but in addition to all the very good, and totally valid points you
    raised, let's be stuck with it, but never forget the illegal and unethical
    business practices that he employed, the companies that he trampled and
    either bought and destroyed, or that he absconded with in order to build
    his illegal monopoly.

    Apple has 5% of the market because bill gates stole his way to the top,
    and walked away with impunity. Could Apple has gotten a bigger share? No
    one knows, but we did learn from the trial that they really didn't get a
    fair shot at it.

    The arguments for and against, are old and tired, and heck, even I have to
    use win2000 to make a $, but that doesn't mean we should ever forget how
    this all came to be. I don't loose sleep over it, and I don't obsess about
    it, but I cannot forget it.

    Its one thing to have it forced upon us, but its another to ignore all the
    facts. This is not life and death, of course, but as they say in High
    Schools, "those who don't remember their history are going to have to
    repeat it" It would be way cool if we never forget all that bill gates did
    to the industry in order to get us to this point in time. For those who
    would say we owe our PCs to bill gates, I will say, 'yes' and he ought to
    be taken out for a long afternoon of electroshock therapy to show him our

  13. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Here are a few:
    Which applications do you want? Gimp for graphics? Koffice, OpenOffice,
    TclSpice? Three differend pdf viewers? A handful or more of paint programs,
    games, web browsers, newsreaders,
    Well, then you should already know.

  14. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    It seems that they're going the opposite direcion here:

    And what apps do you need? Just compile from source!

  15. No it doesn't because there aren't any OSX viruses (there haven't been
    any viruses on any Mac OS for many many years).
  16. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    A simple Google search shows this to be false.

    It also shows that there are numerous anti-virus programs available for the
    Mac, so unless these folks are defrauding their customers, there must be a few
    virii running around...
  17. Guest

    Does OS X come with anti-virus protection? That would be a tangible

    Uh oh........ :-(
  18. Bob Eldred

    Bob Eldred Guest

    Oh goodie! you're going to supply me with the source code for SolidWorks so
    that I can Compile it myself in Linux, Yeah right! Why didn't I think of
  19. Guest

    Put me down for Pads PCB and SCH stuff, and the PIC microcontroller MPLAB.

    I will pay you via paypal :)

  20. Jon Yaeger

    Jon Yaeger Guest

    I haven't personally seen any examples of OS X viruses. Nonetheless, Macs
    can be infected by viruses that are attached to documents and the like. As
    a previous poster pointed out, they don't propagate. But you can forward a
    (Windows) infected document or virus to others from a Mac.

    For OS 9 and earlier it is a different matter. Viruses exist and they are
    harmful and can disable an OS 9 install.

    Yes, there are anti-virus programs for OS X, such as Norton AntiVirus.
    Except for finding stuff that can infect Windows PCs and OS 9 viruses, they
    seem pretty useless to me. . . .
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