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Wireless vs hard-wired?

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Ablang

Jan 1, 1970
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Is the wireless system (costing more) really better than the hard-
wired system (for a pre-wired home), as described by the ProtectionOne guy?
I guess installation is easier and quicker for the installer, but does that
also make it less reliable or easier for a crook to disable?
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Uh oh ! Now you've gone and done it....Paul's listening and you've just set
him off again on another RFI tirade.....:)))

RHC
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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With improvements in wireless over the past 25 years, and especially the
most recent few years, wireless has become almost as reliable as wired
protection.

Robert are you kidding?

Paul
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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Everybody has the right to be informed about the
wireless alarm system unreliability even the new readers.

But i'm sure that YOU RH. Campbell will provide (with YOUR well known
technical wet finger in the wind skill) the missing information who
will conter-argue what i say..

In the mean time:
Wireless alarm systems are unreliable during RFI
(Radio Frequency Interferences) and are not warned

If by some mean they are warned, like some pretend without technical
justification, they will not be able to warn in a reasonable/useable
timescale due to the fact that all SRD's (Short Range Devices) using
the same shared frequencies interfere to each other.
Its why those (garbage) frequencies are not certified interference
free by the authorities.

Paul
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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No Paul, I have no intention of trying to prove your contentions that the
industry knows full well are nonsense, nor denegrate professional wirelss
equipment that is in common and successful use around the world. Only you
continue to try to put RFI issues totally out of context.

Besides, you seem to be the only one who feels that way; the whole world is
wrong and you are right (Gawd !!! that must be lonely...)

So YOU prove your idiotic theories. We have nothing to prove ( and certainly
even less to you.....)

(cripes !!... the real issue here is why I even bother to answer your
nonsense....)

RHC
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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No Paul, I have no intention of trying to prove your contentions that the
industry knows full well are nonsense, nor denegrate professional wirelss
equipment that is in common and successful use around the world. Only you
continue to try to put RFI issues totally out of context.

Poor guy, empty statements without any proof of reliability that
wireless alarm systems resist a RFI attack.

Paul
 
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RH.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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You truly are either a troll as some have said ...or a blithering idiot !!

Either way...(as we say)..."have a nice day".....(I'm outta here !)

RHC
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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RH.Campbell said:
You truly are either a troll as some have said ...or a blithering idiot !!

Either way...(as we say)..."have a nice day".....(I'm outta here !)


"Kook" actually describes his behaviour in this group better than "troll".
He sort of reminds me of the guy that wanders around with the sandwich board
that reads "The World Will End At Midnight (12:30 in Newfoundland)"... It
doesn't matter what you say to him, he'll be on that corner tomorrow with
the same message... One of these days he won't be there and then we'll all
miss him... :)
 
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Matt Lund

Jan 1, 1970
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My home is prewired and I've slowly been installing a system this year.
When the guys come around that typically offer free up front wtih 3 year
contracts of monitoring at $35.95 a month, I always let them give me a quote
just to feel all the better that I'm doing it right - their quotes are
always for a rediculously low number of devices (like I'm going to feel safe
with nothing more than a contact in the 4 external doors and one motion
watching the basement stairs).

To Rob's point, several have told me that it'll be a few hundred dollars
more for them to use a hard-wired system and they'll only do it if the house
is already prewired. I tried to pointing it to one guy that that seemed
silly - the wired contacts cost a few bucks apiece. The wireless contacts
cost much more.

I think it's just a matter of convenience for them and someone could
probably make the argument that by going outside of what they normally do,
it increases their costs somehow (think of the factory assembly line versus
something custom). This is probably a weak argument in this case though.
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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It doesn't avoid it .......... it detects and reports it.
Jim

So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Paul
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Of for Christ's sake.

Yes I can tell you exactly what the time is, but you can't and I'm not going
to tell you. Go out and buy yourself a professional alarm system and find out
your self. You can't prove what you say about wireless systems and I'm not
going to give you any information that you are too fucking stupid or lazy or
cheap to find out for yourself. You are wrong and will always be wrong until
you can prove that what you say is true about wireless systems. Test some
systems and get back to me with the results and then you will already know the
answers to the questions that you are asking. .


Tsk... Like "all of a sudden", Paul's going to "believe" anything a "low
level technician" is going to say... I agree with you Jim... This kook has
to buy a professional grade alarm system and test it out for himself... Of
course he won't do this because he:

1. wouldn't know how to program it;
2. wouldn't know how to use it;
3. wouldn't be able to tell that RFI was affecting it. In the case of the
chime function he wouldn't know it was working because he'd be "tuned" to
Radio Free Brazil on his wireless headphones and wouldn't hear the keypad
beep...
4. it would put an end to his "wirless rant", which would mean he'd have
nothing to discuss but Truffles...
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course when it take a minimum of 14 hours to alarm in order to
avoid false alarms on a not designed for it circuit..
It may detect RFI by accident if the transmission is continuous and
not interrupted otherwise the 14 hour timer is resent an the time
delay start over again.
I understand that you don't want to mention that.. isn't it.

Paul



FROM JIM THE KNOW ALL MAN:
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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Tsk... Like "all of a sudden", Paul's going to "believe" anything a "low
level technician" is going to say...

NO i will not believe that it solve the RFI problem.. to late on
arrival, disqualified.

Paul
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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You're such a fucking ignorant asshole. You have been told dozens of times by
dozens of people how RFI detection works.

NO.
I have been told that a part of the system (monitoring who is
designed to detect sensor malfunction) can eventually detect RFI.
You tell everyone here what the
difference is between transmitter supervision and RFI detection. If you know
that answer then you know the answer to how long it takes to detect and report
RFI.

YOU are the specialist, my replay and question is clear..

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According to YOU, wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind it
take to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?
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Jim you are a coward, no direct responsibility of what you say he poor
guy.
YOU and Jack are ON.

Paul
 
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Jakes452

Jan 1, 1970
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Be sure to closey investigate (primarily if you buy online) any of the alarm
sellers. You wouldnt want to buy from someone whose sideline is
understanding your alarm system for the purpose of exploiting it later or
passing info on that could be used to gain access to your home.
Be wary of those who do not have a brick and mortar store and are not
bonded. When I was
shopping some online dealers advertise a ASA certification with a picture
of eblem shown on their website. It gives a good first impression but when
you look into it you find out that it was nothing more then some....guy....
creating a website to supposedly post complaints, with no entrys. It was
analagous to someone flashing a fake badge and saying they were the police.
I was a badge without any accreditation. That seems to be used by some of
the online dealers.

Some of the free advice you get is not because of unselfish need to make
the world a better place to live. Most are giving you advice on the hope of
getting a sale or...."other" information. Listen, but dont act on the
advice
until you can confirm or gain some trust in the source by researching them.

Sometimes you can learn a lot about sellers by plugging in email into a
Google search of past news postings. This is a very unregulated online
business, and especially risky for something as important as your home
security.

good luck.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jakes452 said:
Be sure to closey investigate (primarily if you buy online) any of the alarm
sellers. You wouldnt want to buy from someone whose sideline is
understanding your alarm system for the purpose of exploiting it later or
passing info on that could be used to gain access to your home.

While the possibility exists it's extremely remote that anyone could gain
access to your security system without your knowledge. There would have to
be some pretty extra-ordinary programming parameters that would have to
match exactly first. The *only* way that could happen is with the
cooperation of the alarm owner or end user (unless of course those
parameters were still at the factory default). Even so, on systems like DSC
(for instance), when the panel's at default it isn't set up to handle
downloading (or remote access) of any sort. That has to be physically
programmed in before it can take place.

It's doubtful that *any* on line merchant that sells security products is
going to jeopardize their reputations by "exploiting" your system (even the
one with the criminal record).

Be wary of those who do not have a brick and mortar store and are not
bonded.

As has been pointed out on several occasions, having a "brick and mortar"
store doesn't guarantee the level of service you're going to get from any on
line component they support. It does provide for an extra measure of
accountablility though. It also helps to investigate the company's local
business practices. You can do that through the BBB or your State's Alarm
Association.
When I was
shopping some online dealers advertise a ASA certification with a picture
of eblem shown on their website. It gives a good first impression but when
you look into it you find out that it was nothing more then some....guy....
creating a website to supposedly post complaints, with no entrys. It was
analagous to someone flashing a fake badge and saying they were the police.
I was a badge without any accreditation. That seems to be used by some of
the online dealers.

Hmmm.... Which on line dealers/stores display the ASA emblem?? Any of them
*not* owned by the same individual that runs the website?? Website links
are "shared" to improve search engine ranking, plain and simple.

Some of the free advice you get is not because of unselfish need to make
the world a better place to live. Most are giving you advice on the hope of
getting a sale or...."other" information. Listen, but dont act on the
advice
until you can confirm or gain some trust in the source by researching
them.

"Most"?? Really??

Sometimes you can learn a lot about sellers by plugging in email into a
Google search of past news postings. This is a very unregulated online
business, and especially risky for something as important as your home
security.

Yep... you sure can learn a lot about people on Google... You can also
start your on line search here:

http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/buyingonline.htm
 
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Jakes452

Jan 1, 1970
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i dont think so......try dealers code.....get in....change things a
bit.......no workie when you schedule the burlgar to come by
 
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Jakes452

Jan 1, 1970
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i be pretty suspicious of this one.......he seems alfully anxious to
dissuade you of the risk......oh....and how noble of him......to offer to
sell you products from his....well....uhhh.......online store.......and you
have seen if you have watched the chit chat in this group......how reliable
and trustrworthy they are
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jakes452 said:
i dont think so......try dealers code.....get in....change things a
bit.......no workie when you schedule the burlgar to come by


What "dealer's code"?? Are you saying there's a "univerisal dealer's
code"?? Paul?? Is that you?? Hello?? Dang... Must be all this "RFI"...
I lost the connection... will try later... after I wrap aluminum foil
around my monitor...
 
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P A U L ..

Jan 1, 1970
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I just scratched away from Jim insults and nasty personal remarks..
Look what remains: nothing, look hereafter;

PAUL ask to Jim (06 Nov 2003) :
Tell us why the modern systems avoid RFI, that simple for a
knowledgeable man like you Jim or aren't you that clever? Paul

From JIM Alarminex:
It doesn't avoid RFI .......... it detects and reports it. Jim

From P A U L:
So, according to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from the
start of the interference till the detection..

Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your mind
to have a RFI report and what type of report is given? Paul

From Jim Alarminex:
You're such a fucking ignorant asshole. You have been told dozens of times
by dozens of people how RFI detection works.

Paul answer:
NO. I have been told that a part of the system (monitoring who is
designed to detect sensor malfunction) can "eventually" detect RFI.
Of course when it take a minimum of 14 hours to alarm in order to
avoid false alarms on a not designed for it circuit..
It may detect RFI by accident if the transmission is continuous and
not interrupted otherwise the 14 hour timer is resent an the time
delay start over again.
I understand that you don't want to mention that.. isn't it.
The above post is absolute proof they you don't know anything about wireless
alarms systems.

From Paul:
Maybe i'm incorrect.. but answer YOUR way my questions:
Jim say, it doesn't avoid RFI ...... it detects and reports it.

SO, According to YOU wireless alarm systems are unreliable from
the start of the interference till the detection..
Can you tell, according to you again, how long it take in your
mind to have a RFI report and what type of report is given?

Paul
 
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