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Winding Toroids Phasing

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  1. Hammy

    Hammy Guest

    I'm constructing a multiple output flyback transformer using a Toroid.
    My input voltage is 12V to 20V output is 5, 12 and -12, Po = 7W.

    My question is about the phasing. See picture

    Referring to step one of the picture for the primary side, if I start
    where "start" is and pull the wire through from start (left) to right
    does that make the "start" side the DOT. I'm putting 12 turns on the

    All I have is standard electrical tape should I bother using it or
    will it reduce coupling? I'm using insulated magnet wire.

    My secondary turns are 4,5 and 9. The 5V and 12V are DC stacked and
    will be bifilar tap.

    Should the secondary windings start on the same side or does it
  2. ehsjr

    ehsjr Guest

    The dot placement does not matter with only one coil wound
    on the core - you can place it at either end. However,
    when you put the secondary winding on, the placement of the
    dot for the secondary winding depends on where the dot is
    on your first winding. If you put the dot on the start
    end of the primary, then put the secondary dot on the
    start end of the secondary, assuming you keep winding in
    the same direction.
    No need for electrical tape, unless you are looking for mechanical
    strength for the connecting leads between the xformer & circuit.
    Sometimes you wind with fine wire, and make the connecting leads
    out of something heavier. It that case the leads need to be
    mechanically well attached to the toroid.
    I'm not sure what you have in mind in that question, so
    I'll try to answer it as a general statement. Imagine
    that the toroid starts out as a rod, that will magically
    be bent into a toroid when all windings are completed.
    You want to end up with the primary winding spaced so
    that it occupies about 90% of the length of the rod.
    Then, you want to wind your secondary, and space the
    windings so that it, too, occupies the same ~ 90% of
    the length of the rod. In both cases, the winding starts
    near the left end of the rod, and ends near the right
    end of the rod. The windings have to be in the same
    circular direction around the rod.

  3. Hammy

    Hammy Guest

    Thanks for the detailed response.

    I built it up on a breadboard and it works after some playing around
    with the toroid. I just started all windings on the same side primary
    and secondary.

    I wanted to know before hand about the phasing so I could plan out the
    easiest way for laying it out on the breadboard, 8 windings on a
    toroid then cramming it on a breadboard gets pretty cramped.

    It's noisy as hell but that is always the case when doing SMPS's on a

    I know now it works so I can do a layout for a PCB.

    I'm just goint to use the tape on the primary to hold the windings so
    they dont shift all over when winding the secondaries.
  4. ehsjr

    ehsjr Guest

    With small wire, I've "glued" it to the toroid with clear
    nail polish. Dries pretty quick, and works fine.

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