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Why do they put those ferrite things on computer monitor cables?

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Martin Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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Why do they put those ferrite things on computer monitor cables?
I'm referring to those round cylinders molded onto the cables.

To prevent the cable radiating RF interference like an aerial.
 
Why do they put those ferrite things on computer monitor cables?
I'm referring to those round cylinders molded onto the cables.

Thanks
 
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Winston

Jan 1, 1970
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Martin said:
To prevent the cable radiating RF interference like an aerial.

As a 'choke' to convert 'conducted emissions'
or electronic noise into harmless heat.
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question352.htm

www.ee.calpoly.edu/~darakaki/Paper2.pdf

See the chart on the top right corner of page 3.
Just by adding series inductance, the conducted emissions
from a switching power supply are quieted down below the
'compliance line'. (An additional cap on the filter improves
things a bit more.)

--Winston
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Why do they put those ferrite things on computer monitor cables?
I'm referring to those round cylinders molded onto the cables.

Thanks

They act as a common-mode choke- like putting a little single-turn
inductor in series with each line of the cable, but using the same
core. So the inductance impedes net current through the cable, but not
differential currents between conductors in the cable.

They put them there so their product can pass EMC tests.
 
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miso

Jan 1, 1970
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Shouldn't both sides of the cable get a ferrite choke? I often see
cables with just one choke and this never seemed kosher to me.
 
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Winston

Jan 1, 1970
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miso said:
Shouldn't both sides of the cable get a ferrite choke? I often see cables with just one choke and this never seemed
kosher to me.

Both share the same core so both sides get a choke, yes?

--Winston
 
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Tim Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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The radiation impedance of six feet of cable isn't very low, so the
incremental benefit of the second is much smaller.

Imagine the wire as a piece of antenna. If it's 1/4 wave long from the
driving source, it acts as a whip antenna, when the far end is "open
circuit" (read, sufficiently high impedance).

If you have a wire grounded at both ends, it can resonate at 1/2 wave,
basically an inverse dipole (which is grounded in the middle and has
antinodes at the open ends).

The quality of the ground matters; a computer monitor would have to be very
large, physically, to make a good ground against a 6' quarter or half wave
resonance. Since it therefore does not make a great ground, it develops
some voltage on its exterior, which means it serves, in part, as the antenna
as well, and so on to anything connected to it.

The quality of the wire is most important at the nodes, where current is
highest. For any arbitrary frequency at any arbitrary position, this is
difficult to define -- the nodes could be distributed anywhere along the
wire. However, nodes are almost guaranteed at the ends (where the monitor
or whatever serves as something of a ground plane, even if a poor one), so
increasing the impedance there with a ferrite bead does an excellent job at
dampening wideband resonances, and thus propagation of noise.

Damping at the antinodes is also possible, but less likely to help, because
you need a ground to work against, and dielectric loss rather than core
loss.

Tim
 
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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

Jan 1, 1970
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Shouldn't both sides of the cable get a ferrite choke? I often see
cables with just one choke and this never seemed kosher to me.

Proves you lack in electronics knowledge.

The ferrite is a single turn inductor, and the location on the wire(s)
it is an inductor for does not matter, and there does not need to be "one
at each end".

You obviously know how to use the word choke, but also obviously have a
limited grasp of what it means in electronics, much less the effect it
has.

Have you EVER seen one where the idiot put one at both ends? EVER?
 
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miso

Jan 1, 1970
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You obviously know how to use the word choke, but also obviously have a
limited grasp of what it means in electronics, much less the effect it
has.

Have you EVER seen one where the idiot put one at both ends? EVER?

Here ya go, needle dick:

"Chokes may be needed at both ends of cables longer than about λ/8. "
 
Have you EVER seen one where the idiot put one at both ends? EVER?

My reason in posting this is because I got a LCD monitor at a local
auction and it came without the cables. The power cable is just a
common computer cord. But the data cable is what I needed to buy. Most
monitors have the data cable permanently wired right into the monitor.
This one dont. The data cable has a male plug on both ends and plugs
into computer and monitor. Same plug on both ends. The cable I ordered
has the ferrite on BOTH ends. That's what lead to this posting.

I will say that every monitor I've ever seen with the permanent data
cable only has one ferrite and always near the computer end. But the
cable I ordered has two.

Thanks for all replies!
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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My reason in posting this is because I got a LCD monitor at a local
auction and it came without the cables. The power cable is just a
common computer cord. But the data cable is what I needed to buy. Most
monitors have the data cable permanently wired right into the monitor.
This one dont. The data cable has a male plug on both ends and plugs
into computer and monitor. Same plug on both ends. The cable I ordered
has the ferrite on BOTH ends. That's what lead to this posting.

I will say that every monitor I've ever seen with the permanent data
cable only has one ferrite and always near the computer end. But the
cable I ordered has two.


as it's the same plug both ends they need a ferrite at the other end
also incase it's installed backwards :)

most flat panel monitors have detachable video cables, especially now
that most do both VGA and DVI connections.
 
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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

Jan 1, 1970
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Here ya go, needle dick:

"Chokes may be needed at both ends of cables longer than about ?/8. "

Stupid audiophool graphtard. Zero emissions data. all simple "series
resistance" readings. Big deal.

Hahaha! $10.00 for a 6 foot long printer cable because it has
micro-thin gold plated connectors and DUAL ferrites? BULLSHIT!

Almost as bad as "Monster Cable". I'll bet you defend their stupidity
as well, eh?
 
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