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The Daring Dufas

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes' Lever said:
I want a citation that switchers are commonly running at and above
1MHz.

NONE of ours did.

I've never seen a switching power supply that ran at 1Mhz.

TDD
 
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The Daring Dufas

Jan 1, 1970
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James said:
That's exactly it. 400Hz power has been standard in aircraft for many
decades. Not only are the transformers smaller and lighter, but the
generators and motors too, and the filter capacitors in power supplies.

It's the reason switchmode power supplies run in the tens of kHz, and
some small ones are running as high as 1MHz. As the frequency increases,
switching losses in the semiconductors increase, but the size of the
energy storage components (inductors, transformers, capacitors)
decreases. A 60Hz transformer capable of supplying 300W might 15 lbs,
but a 20kHz transformer capable of the same power is less than a pound
and far more compact.

The foreign 50hz stuff I've seen is a lot more massive than
my home grown 60hz equipment. I've worked on all sorts of
switching power supplies but I've never seen a 1Mhz unit.
Is it something that would be an aerospace/military item?

TDD
 
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The Daring Dufas

Jan 1, 1970
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Archimedes' Lever said:
Somehow my hand ended up between the poles of a 10kV Jacob's ladder on
day, while sitting indian style in front of it.

It shot me back about seven feet (my legs). I am sure I clamped the
supply down to near nothing, since it was only a 10mA furnace ignition
transformer.

That one was phase independent. Surprised I survived my youth as well.
I made a shock box "lie detector" as a science project, and was
shocking parents with it... mostly. Back then, a kid could get away
with that stuff.

I've been told that when I was an infant crawling around the house
back in the middle of the last century, I unplugged the power cord
from the bottom of my mother's Singer sewing machine. The other end
of the cord was still plugged into the wall outlet and being the
curious little brat that I was, decided to determine what a power
cord tasted like. I've been told that I turned blue and my diaper
had to be changed. Ever since then I've been getting in trouble for
things I've done with electricity. When I was a bit older, I would
build Frankenstein like machines in the basement and being no fool,
I would get one of my little brothers to plug it in while I took
cover behind something. It made my butt hurt for some reason.

TDD
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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The centralized system described will be drawing several amp-hours a
day just to keep the storage battery charged and it would have no
local control to actually save transformer idle consumption when
things are switched off or unplugged.


Use a satellite system then. Instead of a central DC battery "park".

Place a "Battery Station" on each branch, and charge each only at
night, when you are on off-peak rates. Rare daytime occasions are needed
where the charging circuit needs to be on during a particular device's
load duty. Run the fridge and the Air on AC still, and run the low
consumption branches on their respective DC satellites, where the battery
capacity for that branch relates to the loading your have set up on that
branch.
Adding loads may mean increasing a given satellite's battery station
capacity and a change to the charge/run software (of course).

This is an extension of my Hot Water On Demand system for only charging
the battery packs at night during off-peak hours, which do get monitored
on industrial customers. Far more efficient than AC Burns Watts On
Demand system that uses the most expensive AC power there is...
Peak Hour Usage.

Such a system would work in a household, but it would require
acceptance and implementation across a few industries to get the maximum
possible benefit from the idea. Otherwise, it ends up being a high cost
personal hobby.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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I've been told that when I was an infant crawling around the house
back in the middle of the last century, I unplugged the power cord
from the bottom of my mother's Singer sewing machine. The other end
of the cord was still plugged into the wall outlet and being the
curious little brat that I was, decided to determine what a power
cord tasted like. I've been told that I turned blue and my diaper
had to be changed. Ever since then I've been getting in trouble for
things I've done with electricity. When I was a bit older, I would
build Frankenstein like machines in the basement and being no fool,
I would get one of my little brothers to plug it in while I took
cover behind something. It made my butt hurt for some reason.

TDD

That's your ass on fire because you are going to hell. :-]
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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I've never seen a switching power supply that ran at 1Mhz.

They're really not uncommon today. LTC has a pile of 'em. Hint:
ignore DimBulb. You won't learn anything from him. He's AlwaysWrong
and dumber than even you are.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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"Still in use", and "Still being manufactured" are two different things,
dipshit. Show me a modern nameplate date. Case closed.

Existed = have been. You said nothing about being manufactured,
DimBulb. You implied that they didn't exist.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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AlwaysWrong strikes again.

One example, at random: LTC3555 three buck regulators, each 2.25MHz.

http://www.linear.com/pc/productDetail.jsp?navId=H0,C1,C1003,C1037,C1773,P37856

I'd be surprised if yours *worked*, DimBulb.

Our power supply company survived after 911, a time when several
hundred other companies failed.

Those supplies were and are in a lot of the things you use because we
were OEMers for hundreds of companies as well.

You're an idiot, KeithTard.

Also, regardless of what the max frequency a regulator *can* operate
at, that does not mean that they get designed to operate there.

Folks engineer a supply on the bench, and the final most efficient
frequency a design runs at my not be the original estimation.
I would not expect you to get it though.

No... NONE of our units ran that fast. Magnetics tends to get
inefficient at passing power at too high a frequency. Our HV supplies
may have had switcher front ends, but they typically had a transformer
driven final feeding the multiplier stage. Most all were <100kHz.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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AlwaysWrong strikes again.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice

Definition 2a: preconceived judgment or opinion

It has a negative connotation because it is preconceived, not because
what is preconceived is negative (or even AC).

A prejudice is usually something one has against something, not for it.

To be for something is to be "partial to" or "predispositioned for"
something.
 
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Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
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Existed = have been. You said nothing about being manufactured,
DimBulb. You implied that they didn't exist.


Good thing that you are the only one that used the word. I never said
anything about "existed". Though it is a shame that you do.
 
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The Daring Dufas

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
They're really not uncommon today. LTC has a pile of 'em. Hint:
ignore DimBulb. You won't learn anything from him. He's AlwaysWrong
and dumber than even you are.

My statement still stands. I've never seen a switching regulator
that ran at 1Mhz. Just because the chip is capable of 1Mhz does
not mean that that is the switching speed of the regulator. Most
of the design engineers I'm familiar with tend to be conservative.
Your opinion is not that important. Opinions are like tailpipes,
everyone has one, except for those like you who have theirs transposed
with their induction system. FLNF

TDD
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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My statement still stands. I've never seen a switching regulator
that ran at 1Mhz. Just because the chip is capable of 1Mhz does
not mean that that is the switching speed of the regulator.

Idiot. That is the switching speed of the regulator.
Most
of the design engineers I'm familiar with tend to be conservative.

They don't have a choice, darling dufus. The regulator switches at
2.25MHz, whether they're conservative or commie.
Your opinion is not that important. Opinions are like tailpipes,
everyone has one, except for those like you who have theirs transposed
with their induction system. FLNF

My opinion may not be important to you, but my facts are at least
facts. I do this stuff for a living, you? Clean septic systems?
....with a mop?
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Our power supply company survived after 911, a time when several
hundred other companies failed.

DimBulb, if it survived *you* I'd be surprised.
Those supplies were and are in a lot of the things you use because we
were OEMers for hundreds of companies as well.

You're an idiot, KeithTard.

At least I know something about switching supplies, AlwaysWrong.
....and I don't even work in the area.
Also, regardless of what the max frequency a regulator *can* operate
at, that does not mean that they get designed to operate there.

DimBulb, that *IS* the frequency it operates at. It's a constant
frequency regulator, as are most these days.
Folks engineer a supply on the bench, and the final most efficient
frequency a design runs at my not be the original estimation.
I would not expect you to get it though.
Idiot.

No... NONE of our units ran that fast. Magnetics tends to get
inefficient at passing power at too high a frequency. Our HV supplies
may have had switcher front ends, but they typically had a transformer
driven final feeding the multiplier stage. Most all were <100kHz.

Wrong again, as usual, AlwaysWrong.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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A prejudice is usually something one has against something, not for it.

"Usually" has nothing to do with it, DimBulb. The word was used
correctly. You were wrong again, AlwaysWrong.
To be for something is to be "partial to" or "predispositioned for"
something.

Synonyms, noting more or less.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Good thing that you are the only one that used the word. I never said
anything about "existed". Though it is a shame that you do.

You really are a dim bulb, DimBulb. You said: "I do not think there
have been DC elevators in the US since the late Thirties". The fact
is that there _have_been_ (i.e. existed) DC elevators as recently as
2007. In fact they are likely still there, though the conversion
would now be done on-premises.

In short, AlwaysWrong, you're wrong again.
 
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The Daring Dufas

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
Idiot. That is the switching speed of the regulator.


They don't have a choice, darling dufus. The regulator switches at
2.25MHz, whether they're conservative or commie.


My opinion may not be important to you, but my facts are at least
facts. I do this stuff for a living, you? Clean septic systems?
...with a mop?

Oh my God, a professional actinic sphincter. FLNF

TDD
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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I've never seen a switching power supply that ran at 1Mhz.

TDD


Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is
not in common use. Here's your citation, note that the article is dated
2002.

http://www.maxim-ic.com/view_press_release.cfm/release_id/586


"SMALLEST, 3V INPUT, 1MHz, 92% EFFICIENT DC-DC STEP-DOWN DELIVERS 10A"


So these are not off-line SMPS, but so what? They're still switchmode
power supplies by definition. TI and several others have similar parts.
It is very likely you have one right in front of you supplying the core
voltage to the CPU in your computer.
 
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