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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Lostgallifreyan said:
I just woke up so I won't try to find a site to prove a point, but I can
say that unless you're hankering after a lost age of terminals and
mainframes, that view is hard to justify. Some tasks are best done client
side, it's as simple as that. It spares load on the system. That this tool
IS horribly abused isn't in doubt, but would you ban all sharp edges
because some people use those to attack other people?


I fail to see a reason for any of that "modern" fluff with a company
that sells simple stamped metal parts. What for?

BTW, the old terminal often was the best. In the early 90's I used to
find all my long-haul flights on fully ASCII-based Sabre. Even faster
than Southwest which I'd consider one of the most efficient these days.
Also, this was over 9600bps dial-up. Since credit card transactions
weren't possible yet I then still had to call the airlines but the
booking took only minutes because I called with all the data at hand.
Then they fluffified that site and it was sold. Gone is that efficiency,
for good :-(
 
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Lostgallifreyan

Jan 1, 1970
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I fail to see a reason for any of that "modern" fluff with a company
that sells simple stamped metal parts. What for?

BTW, the old terminal often was the best. In the early 90's I used to
find all my long-haul flights on fully ASCII-based Sabre. Even faster
than Southwest which I'd consider one of the most efficient these
days. Also, this was over 9600bps dial-up. Since credit card
transactions weren't possible yet I then still had to call the
airlines but the booking took only minutes because I called with all
the data at hand. Then they fluffified that site and it was sold. Gone
is that efficiency, for good :-(

I'm all for the removal of fluff, as you can see with a look (it would be
quick) at the source of a couple of the pages that I mentioned in another
post, including the very minimal use of script for navigation display.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rzp5 (In case anyone's curious.)

Fluff and client side scripting are different issues, even if they overlap.
Much garbage can be inflicted by HTML without ASP and PHP to generate too
much of it. Loading images costs more than most other activity.

The real problem comes from lots of space for data, and lots of fast CPU's
and comms links, so that care isn't taken to minimise waste. It leads to
gross assumptions about client systems. Client side scripting offers a big
opportunity for abuse, but that doesn't mean the principle is useless or
inappropriate. In fact, if the comms links and all those other resources
weren't so plentiful as they are, client side scripting would be far more
important than it is now, and would be written as concisely as any other
code would have to be.

If anyone finds anything invasive, obscured, bloated, inefficient or broken
in the coding on my site, feel free to let me know.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Lostgallifreyan said:
I'm all for the removal of fluff, as you can see with a look (it would be
quick) at the source of a couple of the pages that I mentioned in another
post, including the very minimal use of script for navigation display.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rzp5 (In case anyone's curious.)

Fluff and client side scripting are different issues, even if they overlap.
Much garbage can be inflicted by HTML without ASP and PHP to generate too
much of it. Loading images costs more than most other activity.

The real problem comes from lots of space for data, and lots of fast CPU's
and comms links, so that care isn't taken to minimise waste. It leads to
gross assumptions about client systems. Client side scripting offers a big
opportunity for abuse, but that doesn't mean the principle is useless or
inappropriate. In fact, if the comms links and all those other resources
weren't so plentiful as they are, client side scripting would be far more
important than it is now, and would be written as concisely as any other
code would have to be.

Most of the script kiddies turned web designers don't think about the
fact that in some countries dial-up is a far cry from our broadband
links. I have been in locations where 4800bps was considered darn good
and upon the next sneeze dropped back to 2400bps. Once I had to get a
data file across a crackly line, at an average speed of 1200bps. This
was not to somewhere in eastern Podunkia but to Canada. Ok, it had to
cross an ocean to get there.

If anyone finds anything invasive, obscured, bloated, inefficient or broken
in the coding on my site, feel free to let me know.


I like it. Sure loads fast despite about 6000 miles between us, assuming
your server is also in the UK. And that drab green background gives it a
tough military touch ;-)

Your livejournal is a bit on the sluggish side.
 
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Lostgallifreyan

Jan 1, 1970
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Your livejournal is a bit on the sluggish side.

Aye, it is that. But that oubliette doesn't matter so much. If I thought I
could set less posts per page I'd do it. Besides, have you seen MySpace
recently? >:) I won't even go there, that's not fluff, that's like Clouseau
let loose in a pillow factory. It makes me twitch like Dreyfuss.

The script kiddie thing I agree with you about. It's what I call the
adlander syndrome, a kind of vague world of feature rich added value gone
literally psychotic. It's killing Maplin Electronics so fast that I think
either the kiddiescripters or Maplin themselves will be gone by the end of
the year.

Re that background (and the white and orange text), yes, I got the idea
from an old wooden army field kit box. I liked the simple function of it.
There is this phrase "does what it says on the tin". I think things are at
their best when the tin doesn't have to say anything to convey the nature
of the content. That guide is for using the core of a recently bloated
system of code, to emphasise that the use of just four files that can all
fit on a floppy disk can give awesome backup and recovery power for a
computer. Symantec now want people to beleive that you have to install a
couple of hundred MEGAbytes to do use this, but most of the ability of that
entire suite is done with just four files.

I went WAY off-topic here, but I did it to show that I agree there is too
much crap online, and that even a person who will go the lengths I did to
try to counteract some of it can see that JavaScript is too useful to
blame. I actually think it is itself clumsy and overlarge as a language,
but it is at least plain text, widely useable, and in moderation, solves
more problems than it makes.

My site is local to me, I think. Not sure where Blueyonder actually host
their customer's web sites though.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Lostgallifreyan said:
Aye, it is that. But that oubliette doesn't matter so much. If I thought I
could set less posts per page I'd do it. Besides, have you seen MySpace
recently? >:) I won't even go there, that's not fluff, that's like Clouseau
let loose in a pillow factory. It makes me twitch like Dreyfuss.

I've never been to myspace. Maybe I am just too freaking old for that.
Oh, and we don't have cable TV, no DVD player, no TiVo. Mankind is able
to live on very little fluff.

The script kiddie thing I agree with you about. It's what I call the
adlander syndrome, a kind of vague world of feature rich added value gone
literally psychotic. It's killing Maplin Electronics so fast that I think
either the kiddiescripters or Maplin themselves will be gone by the end of
the year.


If they don't seek the advice of their most important assets, commonly
called customers, it'll be their own fault. It'll be a whole new feeling
to the old saying "Going under with flying colors".
Re that background (and the white and orange text), yes, I got the idea
from an old wooden army field kit box. I liked the simple function of it.
There is this phrase "does what it says on the tin". I think things are at
their best when the tin doesn't have to say anything to convey the nature
of the content. That guide is for using the core of a recently bloated
system of code, to emphasise that the use of just four files that can all
fit on a floppy disk can give awesome backup and recovery power for a
computer. Symantec now want people to beleive that you have to install a
couple of hundred MEGAbytes to do use this, but most of the ability of that
entire suite is done with just four files.

I do all the biz books with MS-Works Database. Does all I need. My CPA
was quite impressed when I gave the files to him for tax prep. Yet the
core of that software is so simple, all the functionality I use was
already present in the late 80's DOS version and I can store the files
backwards compatible.

I went WAY off-topic here, but I did it to show that I agree there is too
much crap online, and that even a person who will go the lengths I did to
try to counteract some of it can see that JavaScript is too useful to
blame. I actually think it is itself clumsy and overlarge as a language,
but it is at least plain text, widely useable, and in moderation, solves
more problems than it makes.

My site is local to me, I think. Not sure where Blueyonder actually host
their customer's web sites though.


Works pretty good though.
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
I've never been to myspace. Maybe I am just too freaking old for that. Oh,
and we don't have cable TV, no DVD player, no TiVo. Mankind is able to
live on very little fluff.

Hmm... you probably don't have any kids either, do you Joerg? :) It occurs
to me that one of the ways that many parents remain consumers of modern
technology is via exposure to or gifts from their kids!
 
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Lostgallifreyan

Jan 1, 1970
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I've never been to myspace. Maybe I am just too freaking old for that.
Oh, and we don't have cable TV, no DVD player, no TiVo. Mankind is able
to live on very little fluff.

Nor me.. Seriously, I don't even have TV, I just watch the odd show found
on Usenet, or listen to the radio or CD's copied to hard disk for
convenience. And I don't even know what TiVo is... TV is a bane, at least
the BBC license people are. Jackboot jobworths who would LOVE to see me do
serious prison time for not taking my soma. It's no accident that most of
the potent fictitious dystopias were written by Brits, our political and
social climate is made for it. The obsession with TV and reality TV
especially, and the fact that we're the number ONE nation in the world for
cameras watching in public places, always reminds me of the punk band
Crass, who had the best take of all on this:

"Big brother ain't watching you mate, you're fucking watching him!" >:)
Profane or not, it doesn't get better, or truer, than that.
 
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Lostgallifreyan

Jan 1, 1970
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If they don't seek the advice of their most important assets, commonly
called customers, it'll be their own fault. It'll be a whole new
feeling to the old saying "Going under with flying colors".

Don't you mean drab, limp and sodden? >:) Maplin is a sad parody now, it
makes Tandy (Radio Shack) look downright cool. Ok, I jest..

But Maplin turns up unwanted in Google results with generic strings with
phrases like search terms buried in them looking like a simpleton, or a
broken robot trying to talk. It's obvious that Maplin can't offer those
things, they just suggest they can, they're almost all polluting Google
with the efforts of people why tried, and failed to find results on Maplin
cos they aren't there, yet Maplin's coders, in their inneffable, nay,
infinite wisdom, have polluted the interweb indefinitely with a catalog of
their failures. By the time they realise that this ghastly mess has been
made, it will be too late to do anything about it, and probably too late
for Maplin to survive with a web presence of any credible kind. It's like
watching a supertanker. You know it can't turn before it will run aground,
and when you look closely you can see the crew asleep at their stations.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
Hmm... you probably don't have any kids either, do you Joerg? :) It occurs
to me that one of the ways that many parents remain consumers of modern
technology is via exposure to or gifts from their kids!

No, we don't. We took in an older foster kid for 1-1/2 years but that
did not increase our TV consumption at all. It modified it a bit though.
I found that I still enjoyed watching Lassie, Bonanza and all that.
Well, where we lived back then we had four channels, plus two in a
foreign language that only I could understand so we didn't watch that.

It's all a matter of education and upbringing. When visiting others and
their kids suggested to watch TV our foster kid usually said "Nah, let's
go play some soccer".
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Lostgallifreyan said:
Nor me.. Seriously, I don't even have TV, I just watch the odd show found
on Usenet, or listen to the radio or CD's copied to hard disk for
convenience. ...


That's good, not to have a TV. We forgot to buy one after moving from
PAL country to NTSC country. 8 months later my wife wanted to see a
weather forecast so I thought ok, where's that box with the little TV
.... oh wait, drat, it ain't going to work here.

... And I don't even know what TiVo is...


Some kind of hard-disk box that records shows or movies upon command.
They advertised it as the best thing since sliced bread and our
neighbors can't understand why we don't have one. What hardly anyone in
the US knows is that we had similar technology in Germany back in the
80's: The VCR remote had a bar code reader and small display. Many TV
magazines printed that bar code next to movies, news, almost anything.
Swipe ... beep ... check display just to make sure ... send ...
beep-beep ... done. The stations sent out code in the V-sync space that
told the VCR when a pre-programmed movie really started and when it
ended. So you'd never miss anything if, for example, the UEFA World Cup
game was delayed or went into a huge overtime.

BTW you could also set the VCR clock that way. No messing with menues.
They gave you a bar code sheet for that, too.
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
It's all a matter of education and upbringing. When visiting others and
their kids suggested to watch TV our foster kid usually said "Nah, let's
go play some soccer".

"Oh yeah! The Wii has the *best* soccer!"

:)
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
"Oh yeah! The Wii has the *best* soccer!"

:)

My exposure to video games went to the level of the Pong game. But only
because I built one. Never played it after it worked, just gave it away
since the fun was out of it once I had it completed.
 
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Joel Kolstad

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
My exposure to video games went to the level of the Pong game. But only
because I built one. Never played it after it worked, just gave it away
since the fun was out of it once I had it completed.

OK, ok, what *do* you do for fun then? The opera? Football? Hiking? Fast
cars?

I think Wea Hayward's combination of hiking, sailing, and radio is pretty
cool: http://users.easystreet.com/w7zoi/
 
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Lostgallifreyan

Jan 1, 1970
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Some kind of hard-disk box that records shows or movies upon command.
They advertised it as the best thing since sliced bread and our
neighbors can't understand why we don't have one. What hardly anyone in
the US knows is that we had similar technology in Germany back in the
80's: The VCR remote had a bar code reader and small display. Many TV
magazines printed that bar code next to movies, news, almost anything.
Swipe ... beep ... check display just to make sure ... send ...
beep-beep ... done. The stations sent out code in the V-sync space that
told the VCR when a pre-programmed movie really started and when it
ended. So you'd never miss anything if, for example, the UEFA World Cup
game was delayed or went into a huge overtime.

BTW you could also set the VCR clock that way. No messing with menues.
They gave you a bar code sheet for that, too.

This is cool. I remember those barcodes. Never had the means to use, then,
but I liked the idea. It could be useful for radio. We now have a 'Listen
Again' feature for the BBC but the sound is atrocious, and it uses 'Real'
Audio. And it saves half-hour chunks, so if there's an over-run (rare on
BBC radio), I'd have to mess around with Mplayer to get something complete
to listen to.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Joel said:
OK, ok, what *do* you do for fun then? The opera? Football? Hiking? Fast
cars?

No opera, no football, but quite some hiking. Got two large dogs so we
wouldn't even have a choice here. No fast cars though (except watching a
friend build a Cobra from scratch). Then lots of volunteering which
consumes much of our time. There just ain't no time for TV. Also, we do
pretty much all of the remodeling activities ourselves.

I think Wea Hayward's combination of hiking, sailing, and radio is pretty
cool: http://users.easystreet.com/w7zoi/

That comes pretty close. Except that I build up my projects in metal
enclosures, not plastic ;-)
 
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