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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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After 10 years of being in the industry, and observing how things are done
and not done, I have also come to the firm opinion that in our industry at
least, bigger is most definately not better. Unfortunately, the pay scales
in our industry are relatively poor compared to such industries as the
telecommunications industry. As such, it is difficult to attract the best
people.

Other industries perhaps that's not so true.....

RHC

Even ADT was a "small-timer" once.

Even if I were not in the alarm business, I'm not so sure I'd want to be one
of a million customers.

Depends on if you believe; bigger is better - I don't.
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Understood, but remember that most of the problems are caused by the
so-called "authorized dealers." Sloud probably has the same opinion (or
worse) of those jerks as you and I do. While Corporate established the
program and they still tolerate all of the shenanigans, corporate installers
don't deserve to be tarnished by their slimy siblings' incompetence.

Fair enough?

Like I said....there are some good people at ADT, but those three letters
will always make me cringe. I've dealt directly with a few washouts from
Corporate, one in particular. It's doubtful, unless I run my drill into both
eye sockets and become legally blind, I'll be able to get past the things I
see. I see ADT, not commercial, government, dealers, or siblings'.
Well, you have to give them at least some credit. They fired the Matamoron.
:^)

I do give them credit there....although Mike may have been an unseen
potential Corporate Executive and his sinister plan to rule the world, my
have been exposed. We'll never know....
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
Just a little sick of the ADT comments...

Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the things
I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the other.
We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
nasty streak of what appears to be envy.

Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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J. Sloud said:
Just a little sick of the ADT comments...

We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
nasty streak of what appears to be envy.

I'm no fan of ADT but I do know they've influenced manufacturers to create
better products

Like this

http://www.adt.com/resi/panasonic/
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Well Mark, it's a long story. Some time ago, an ADT dealer friend of mine
gave me information that I trusted, that proved to be completely erroneous.
This was information that reflected poorly (almost libelously) on ADT, but
which subsequently proved to be false. It was my error totally; I should
have checked more carefully, but I trusted the guy and put it up on my site
anyway. ADT's lawyers came after me threatening all manner of grief unless I
put up a retraction, which I willingly did - not because of their bullying
tactics, but because it was the right and fair thing to do. I certainly
don't want to misinform readers to my site, nor was it my intention to cause
undue harm to anyone.

They also attempted to muzzle any comments I make publicly about them, but
that requirement only had my lawyer in stitches. They must have thought they
were dealing with someone "who just fell off the back of a turnip truck" (to
use Dr. Phil's expression...) It'll be a frosty Friday in hell before anyone
gets sued because of something they said on a public newsgroup....if that
was the case, RLB would be able to sue just about everyone here !!

So anyway, I made my amends and moved on. But that doesn't change one little
bit what I think of this company and their tactics in the residential
marketplace.

RHC
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
After 10 years of being in the industry, and observing how things are done
and not done, I have also come to the firm opinion that in our industry at
least, bigger is most definately not better. Unfortunately, the pay scales
in our industry are relatively poor compared to such industries as the
telecommunications industry. As such, it is difficult to attract the best
people.

Other industries perhaps that's not so true.....

RHC

You must not run into too many telecommunications people then :)
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Actually, in this industry, I see we have two "enemies"....drywallers and
telco installers. So now that I'm on the receiving end, I have suffered much
like you and your company have undoubtably done as well.

But my comments were in reference to the fact that I spent 27 years in
middle and upper management in the telco industry. Pay scales compared to
the security industry were at least 50% higher. I paid my secretary more
than a middle manager makes in most large alarm companies. I also am privy
to some payscale knowledge for another large national alarm company, and it
astounds me that people would work for so little. But that's just my
opinion....

RHC
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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Then get your dealers in line.

Several years back my top salesman was ex-manager for ADT here. I know the whole story dood...in fact I almost sold my accounts to ADT. And I still have the ADT manual, contracts, and a whole lot of other junk, but having signed a non-disclosure I still don't discuss the contents of the book with outsiders.

No, not envious, but I do appreciate the business ADT sends my way every day.





|
|
| Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
|
| We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
|
| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Crash Gordon® <[email protected]>
| wrote:
|
| >That's supposed to mean something?
| >
| >
| >| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:58:37 GMT, "jackcsg" <[email protected]>
| >| wrote:
| >|
| >| >Looks like a nicer ADT install here in the States. They don't know what a
| >| >knock-out bushing, or connector is either. I think they have squirrels run
| >| >the wires. Fast little buggers, but not good with wire ties.
| >| >
| >|
| >| 850 US Federal Courthouses think otherwise, smalltimer.
|
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put my car back in the garage.


| | >
| >
| > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
|
| Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the things
| I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the other.
|
| > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| >
|
| Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
|
|
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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If you believed it to be true it wouldnt have been a problem. Good luck to them trying to prove damages though...of course they most likely have deeper pockets than you do. Lawyers are funny.


| Well Mark, it's a long story. Some time ago, an ADT dealer friend of mine
| gave me information that I trusted, that proved to be completely erroneous.
| This was information that reflected poorly (almost libelously) on ADT, but
| which subsequently proved to be false. It was my error totally; I should
| have checked more carefully, but I trusted the guy and put it up on my site
| anyway. ADT's lawyers came after me threatening all manner of grief unless I
| put up a retraction, which I willingly did - not because of their bullying
| tactics, but because it was the right and fair thing to do. I certainly
| don't want to misinform readers to my site, nor was it my intention to cause
| undue harm to anyone.
|
| They also attempted to muzzle any comments I make publicly about them, but
| that requirement only had my lawyer in stitches. They must have thought they
| were dealing with someone "who just fell off the back of a turnip truck" (to
| use Dr. Phil's expression...) It'll be a frosty Friday in hell before anyone
| gets sued because of something they said on a public newsgroup....if that
| was the case, RLB would be able to sue just about everyone here !!
|
| So anyway, I made my amends and moved on. But that doesn't change one little
| bit what I think of this company and their tactics in the residential
| marketplace.
|
| RHC
|
| | >
| > | >> Hey...no offense to Mr. Sloud, but if anyone from ADT called me a "small
| >> timer", I'd be truly flattered. All I've ever had is letters from their
| >> lawyers threatening to close down my website.......I'm
| > disappointed....:)))
| >
| > Close down your website for what reason?
| >
| >
|
|
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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What you say is true; however, that is also one of the great things about
the law. It is a great equalizer. While larger companies can afford to pay
lawyers to keep things going, it's also a fact that they won't do so unless
there is validity to their claim, or unless doing so gains them a feather in
their cap by challenging currently established laws. So the lawyer for a
little guy is generally "equal" to the lawyer for a big firm in dealing with
the law in straightforward matters.

I don't blame ADT for anything they did in my case. They were correct in the
actions they took albeit a bit bullying and brutal in their approach. But
that is the nature of big business, where things aren't done around a
handshake, and where every level in the organization has an inherent
"disconnect" with the big picture. I had already planned to put the
retractions up there, so it gave me the opportunity to be pro-active and
write them myself, rather than having them forced on me. And they seemed
genuinely appreciative that I wished to resolve things amicably and fairly.

My beef with ADT is much the same as yours and relates to their Authorized
Dealer Program, and the quality of some of the installs done by their
subcontractors. And my experience with them as a third party dealer doesn't
enamour me to them from a quality of service perspective. Plus, I don't
think they assume any kind of leadership role; something they should be
doing given their leading position in our industry.

But that is neither here nor there, since I am slowly phasing myself out of
the business, and handing it over to my son. He can deal with future issues;
I'll be out on my motorcycle somewhere in the "wild, blue yonder".....:))

RHC

If you believed it to be true it wouldnt have been a problem. Good luck to
them trying to prove damages though...of course they most likely have deeper
pockets than you do. Lawyers are funny.


| Well Mark, it's a long story. Some time ago, an ADT dealer friend of mine
| gave me information that I trusted, that proved to be completely
erroneous.
| This was information that reflected poorly (almost libelously) on ADT, but
| which subsequently proved to be false. It was my error totally; I should
| have checked more carefully, but I trusted the guy and put it up on my
site
| anyway. ADT's lawyers came after me threatening all manner of grief unless
I
| put up a retraction, which I willingly did - not because of their bullying
| tactics, but because it was the right and fair thing to do. I certainly
| don't want to misinform readers to my site, nor was it my intention to
cause
| undue harm to anyone.
|
| They also attempted to muzzle any comments I make publicly about them, but
| that requirement only had my lawyer in stitches. They must have thought
they
| were dealing with someone "who just fell off the back of a turnip truck"
(to
| use Dr. Phil's expression...) It'll be a frosty Friday in hell before
anyone
| gets sued because of something they said on a public newsgroup....if that
| was the case, RLB would be able to sue just about everyone here !!
|
| So anyway, I made my amends and moved on. But that doesn't change one
little
| bit what I think of this company and their tactics in the residential
| marketplace.
|
| RHC
|
| | >
| > | >> Hey...no offense to Mr. Sloud, but if anyone from ADT called me a
"small
| >> timer", I'd be truly flattered. All I've ever had is letters from their
| >> lawyers threatening to close down my website.......I'm
| > disappointed....:)))
| >
| > Close down your website for what reason?
| >
| >
|
|
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Someone I know.....used to "zap" all their trucks with other companies alarm
stickers all over them....every time they came into town were I grew up.


I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put my
car back in the garage.


| | >
| >
| > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
|
| Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the
things
| I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the other.
|
| > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| >
|
| Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
0
You wont believe this one... I "just"...literally just...got back from a ladies house (single mom) to give her a bid. She'd had ADT there yesterday, their bid was 1400.00 plus 35.95 a month to install wireless system there...just the lowerlevel - 9 dr/winds 1 pir etc.

Ok..that wasn't bad enough. I was expecting to have to do the same kinda thing (wireless)...NOPE...All I had to do was open the closet under the staircase and there was an almost brand new Vista 10se...only the painters had taken the keypad down!...the PIR was still up and ALL the doors and windows were wired and contacted. I coulda fired that puppy up right then if I had my tools and a programming sheet.

A BIG "Ahem" to ADT salesguy on this one! Not only did I get her as a client but I also got her girlfriend who was also there having coffee...she was gonna go with ADT too - good thing we have 72 hr right-of-recision here as she already had signed with them yesterday -but will now cancel.

Boy I love dem guys! TWO accounts in one sales call !! I can take the rest of the day orf.

Ok I won't rag on ADT anymore today...I should really send them a Thank You card though.





| Someone I know.....used to "zap" all their trucks with other companies alarm
| stickers all over them....every time they came into town were I grew up.
|
|
| | I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put my
| car back in the garage.
|
|
| | | | | >
| | >
| | > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
| |
| | Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| | blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| | making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the
| things
| | I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the other.
| |
| | > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| | > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| | > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| | >
| |
| | Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
| |
| |
|
|
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Actually, I think this is not unique to ADT, but is indicative of a lack of
practical experience with many large national alarm company sales staff. You
are an installer and the guy that was there was simply a salesman. He
probably had zero experience with installations while you had lots. You knew
where to look; he didn't. You saw the pre-wiring; he didn't even look. His
loss, your gain....

RHC


You wont believe this one... I "just"...literally just...got back from a
ladies house (single mom) to give her a bid. She'd had ADT there yesterday,
their bid was 1400.00 plus 35.95 a month to install wireless system
there...just the lowerlevel - 9 dr/winds 1 pir etc.

Ok..that wasn't bad enough. I was expecting to have to do the same kinda
thing (wireless)...NOPE...All I had to do was open the closet under the
staircase and there was an almost brand new Vista 10se...only the painters
had taken the keypad down!...the PIR was still up and ALL the doors and
windows were wired and contacted. I coulda fired that puppy up right then if
I had my tools and a programming sheet.

A BIG "Ahem" to ADT salesguy on this one! Not only did I get her as a client
but I also got her girlfriend who was also there having coffee...she was
gonna go with ADT too - good thing we have 72 hr right-of-recision here as
she already had signed with them yesterday -but will now cancel.

Boy I love dem guys! TWO accounts in one sales call !! I can take the rest
of the day orf.

Ok I won't rag on ADT anymore today...I should really send them a Thank You
card though.





| Someone I know.....used to "zap" all their trucks with other companies
alarm
| stickers all over them....every time they came into town were I grew up.
|
|
| | I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put
my
| car back in the garage.
|
|
| | | | | >
| | >
| | > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
| |
| | Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| | blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| | making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the
| things
| | I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the
other.
| |
| | > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| | > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| | > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| | >
| |
| | Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
| |
| |
|
|
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
0
There you go! Another reason ADT is a dealers best friend. I won't say any
more either.
Nuff said.

You wont believe this one... I "just"...literally just...got back from a
ladies house (single mom) to give her a bid. She'd had ADT there yesterday,
their bid was 1400.00 plus 35.95 a month to install wireless system
there...just the lowerlevel - 9 dr/winds 1 pir etc.

Ok..that wasn't bad enough. I was expecting to have to do the same kinda
thing (wireless)...NOPE...All I had to do was open the closet under the
staircase and there was an almost brand new Vista 10se...only the painters
had taken the keypad down!...the PIR was still up and ALL the doors and
windows were wired and contacted. I coulda fired that puppy up right then if
I had my tools and a programming sheet.

A BIG "Ahem" to ADT salesguy on this one! Not only did I get her as a client
but I also got her girlfriend who was also there having coffee...she was
gonna go with ADT too - good thing we have 72 hr right-of-recision here as
she already had signed with them yesterday -but will now cancel.

Boy I love dem guys! TWO accounts in one sales call !! I can take the rest
of the day orf.

Ok I won't rag on ADT anymore today...I should really send them a Thank You
card though.





| Someone I know.....used to "zap" all their trucks with other companies
alarm
| stickers all over them....every time they came into town were I grew up.
|
|
| | I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put
my
| car back in the garage.
|
|
| | | | | >
| | >
| | > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
| |
| | Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| | blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| | making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the
| things
| | I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the
other.
| |
| | > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| | > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| | > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| | >
| |
| | Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
| |
| |
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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or something else...

dunno how he coulda missed the switches on all the doors windows and the honkin' motion detector in the corner of the family room...house was not all that big...couldn't have missed it. Ok...so the keypad was hiding in the closet...but you still gotta look around the house doncha?

another BIG clue was the Westec window decal and alarm license on the front window by the front door and the blue Westec lawnsign laying on the front porch....double DUH?

he was either blind, or out to make a sale whether the lady needed a system or not.


| Actually, I think this is not unique to ADT, but is indicative of a lack of
| practical experience with many large national alarm company sales staff. You
| are an installer and the guy that was there was simply a salesman. He
| probably had zero experience with installations while you had lots. You knew
| where to look; he didn't. You saw the pre-wiring; he didn't even look. His
| loss, your gain....
|
| RHC
|
|
| | You wont believe this one... I "just"...literally just...got back from a
| ladies house (single mom) to give her a bid. She'd had ADT there yesterday,
| their bid was 1400.00 plus 35.95 a month to install wireless system
| there...just the lowerlevel - 9 dr/winds 1 pir etc.
|
| Ok..that wasn't bad enough. I was expecting to have to do the same kinda
| thing (wireless)...NOPE...All I had to do was open the closet under the
| staircase and there was an almost brand new Vista 10se...only the painters
| had taken the keypad down!...the PIR was still up and ALL the doors and
| windows were wired and contacted. I coulda fired that puppy up right then if
| I had my tools and a programming sheet.
|
| A BIG "Ahem" to ADT salesguy on this one! Not only did I get her as a client
| but I also got her girlfriend who was also there having coffee...she was
| gonna go with ADT too - good thing we have 72 hr right-of-recision here as
| she already had signed with them yesterday -but will now cancel.
|
| Boy I love dem guys! TWO accounts in one sales call !! I can take the rest
| of the day orf.
|
| Ok I won't rag on ADT anymore today...I should really send them a Thank You
| card though.
|
|
|
|
|
| | | Someone I know.....used to "zap" all their trucks with other companies
| alarm
| | stickers all over them....every time they came into town were I grew up.
| |
| |
| | | | I used to collect the old ADT signs from takeovers until I wanted to put
| my
| | car back in the garage.
| |
| |
| | | | | | | | >
| | | >
| | | > Just a little sick of the ADT comments...
| | |
| | | Unfortunately a few of us in this industry don't go threw life with
| | | blindfolds on. Some people are capable of seeing things physically, and
| | | making rational judgements about what we see. I'd never relie on the
| | things
| | | I hear. I'd encourage you to do the same....in one ear and out the
| other.
| | |
| | | > We win many contracts based on the quality of past work, and your
| | | > blanket comments about ADT are both untrue and revealing of a rather
| | | > nasty streak of what appears to be envy.
| | | >
| | |
| | | Naah, ADT is my best salesman....I've got pictures to prove it.
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
|
|
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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850 US Federal Courthouses think otherwise, smalltimer.
That's supposed to mean something?

I think it's supposed to mean they're more competent. Reality is that ADT
Corporate more often than not does good work. However, they're not the only
firm supplying US federal courhouses with security. I routinely sell to the
judiciary, all branches of the military and various other government
entities. I've recently sold several systems to government contractors
working in Iraq. You don't have to be a huge corporation to service
government accounts.

--
Regards,

Robert L Bass

===========================>
Bass Burglar Alarms
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
http://www.Bass-Home.com
===========================>
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Don't lie to me J.

Jack,

Sloud's alright. He works for Corporate -- nothing to do with the idiots in
the "authorizewd dealer" program.
 
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