Where's the LAND????

[hoot]

Nah, Melbourne doesn't get real cold - a few months of the year you're in
with a fair chance of waking up to a frost - Last winter it dropped below 0
degrees C only 9 times. I don't call that very cold
I just got a 5 acre block in the Western Districts, an hour from Geelong,
Ballarat and Warrnambool for $12k (AU $), with a 50 X 20m, 6m high shed on
it, right on the edge of town. Town water, power and phone are there for the
connecting, running under/above the front gate!
Now I just gotta sell my little house in Melbourne and GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone wanna buy a house in Melbourne???
Good luck with finding what you're after.

Mate... that's a nice score.
In the area i bought, a nice big shed and power and water at the boundary
would easily double the price i paid, maybe more. Not many 5 acre blocks
available in the area though. Subdivision of larger holdings has been all
but stopped. IIRC min 100 acre lots now.

 

[hoot]

That is a complete load of crap about the house height being limited to the
tallest trees in Australia.

Where do you pick up all this crap you like to spout about Australia from?

Thankfully you are not another whinging bloody pommie bastard in Australia.

You can always tell when a plane load of pommie tourists arrive at Melbourne
airport, as the whine continues long after the jet engines have shut down.
--

Building height restrictions in NSW are expressed in either Metres or
Stories depending on the council and the zoning but when determining those
limits, tree height is definately a factor. I was at a council meeting
before christmass where this was clearly stated, in response to an argument
that stemmed from an application for raising the limit.
Just curious...Why so dark on the poms??

 

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Tell me....any jobs in the La Grange area?

What are you looking for ?

Well I do CAD work for a ling now but looking for
something different to do

John

 

[News]

That is a complete load of crap about the house height being limited to the
tallest trees in Australia.

Where do you pick up all this crap you like to spout about Australia from?
Australians.

Thankfully you are not another whinging
bloody pommie bastard in Australia.

No intention of going there whatsoever. Coast to coast, 3000 miles totally
devoid of culture of any description. Not my sort of place.

You can always tell when a plane load of pommie tourists arrive at Melbourne
airport, as the whine continues long after the jet engines have shut down.

It is clear you have taken the rugby world cup defeat to heart. A good
tonking was given out. Accept it!

I do like the drink from down there though.

I like the Pom Victorire, Champain 2003 from the Shatio Campo

Matured over several years, this robust
performer has been enjoyed by the English
for some time.

Australians may find it hard to swallow
due to its bitter aftertaste, which can
last for four years.

Best served cold with humble pie or
barbecued wings.

100% proof
20 pts

A real excellent Australian Whine
made from pure sour grapes.

 

[News]

Building height restrictions in NSW are expressed in either Metres or
Stories depending on the council and the zoning but when determining those
limits, tree height is definately a factor. I was at a council meeting
before christmass where this was clearly stated, in response to an argument
that stemmed from an application for raising the limit.
Just curious...Why so dark on the poms??

Anyway, what is a Yank doing down there. You have the land of freedom, bla,
bla, bla. Got a thing about Fosters larger? The Ausssies don't know the
meaning of beer, tat is why they call it XXXX. Suppose better than
Budweiser.

 

[Damien]

20 million is Auss. More like 17 18 million, unless they have allowed ,mass
immigration from the far east lately. The population was always about the
size of Greater London.

No, we officially hit 20 million a couple of weeks ago.

Damien

 

[Damien]

I remember being in Australia about 25 years ago. There were parcels of land
not too far from Sydney, 3 MILES of ocean front, $30K!

You'd pay more than that just for a deposit on a _block_ of land these days, and forget about it if you've got ocean
frontage! A small block of land at Batemans Bay (a town of maybe 10,000 or so 4 hours south of Sydney) goes for around
$200,000 - more than double what it was only 12 months ago. Similar story all up and down the coast. Even in Bathurst, 3
hours inland, land prices are skyrocketing - my parents made over $50,000 on a block of land (not even a 1/4 acre!) in
only 3 months. You can forget all about paying reasonable prices for land anywhere within a half days drive of Sydney,
its completely ridiculous the prices being asked. In some parts of Sydney, even a rickety old dump that is falling down
around you can fetch upwards of $500,000 in the right areas.

Head out west though, and it gets a bit better. A friend of mine bought 25 acres midway between Goulbourn and Canberra
for $70,000, and another friend who lives in central Queensland said land there can be had for around $10,000 for 1000
acres. Of course, in an area like that a "big" town will still only have a couple thousand people maximum, and you're
the better part of a days drive from "civilisation" - but that is what makes them so appealing, isn't it?

Can't find that here in the US anymore.

Nor in Australia, not if it has ocean frontage. Even in remote areas, million dollar price tags aren't uncommon, simply
because it is by the sea. If you want cheap land here, the only place to go is a long way inland. Of course, part of the
reason for that is that many areas are entering their third year (or more) of continuous drought, which has quite a
negative impact on prices.

Austrailians are great people. I like their frontier attitude.

It's not so much a case of having a "frontier attitude" as simply not giving a shit. If we want to do something, and
there isn't any rule saying we can't then we just do - and if there is, we do it anyway and hope no one catches us!
Life is way to short to let other people tell you how to live it.

Damien

 

[Damien]

Yes building height restrictions are often related to tree height but we do
have plenty of good tall trees. My block is covered in native Eucalypts and
plenty of them are well over 100 feet.
The local council actively encourages passive solar design and is also quite
approachable on the subject of alternate building methods (mudbrick, hay
bale etc.)The biggest hurdle to building
permission is compliance with the Bush Fire Safety regulations.
Winter Temps...? Be lucky to get below freezing more than 10 times a year,
if that. Maybe a little bit warmer on average than Melbourne due to the
higher latitude, but keeping cool is much more of an issue than keeping
warm.

Where abouts are you? I'm in Bathurst, and have also spent many years in Canberra, and I can assure you that the temp
goes below freezing all too regularly in both! And Oberon (only 40min from here, and about 2 1/2 hours from Sydney for
those that don't know where it is) gets a decent amount of snow each winter.

I'd never heard anything about height restrictions being related to trees - but as you say, on your typical bush block,
it's hardly going to be much of a problem!

Damien

 

[Damien]

Anyway, what is a Yank doing down there. You have the land of freedom, bla,
bla, bla. Got a thing about Fosters larger? The Ausssies don't know the
meaning of beer, tat is why they call it XXXX. Suppose better than
Budweiser.

Mate, the only people that drink Fosters are the bloody poms - and they're welcome to it! And civilised people don't
drink XXXX either, we leave that for the banana benders (Queenslanders to all you folk in the US) - real men drink VB or
Tooheys. And only the women drink Bud over here.

Damien

 

[hoot]

Where abouts are you? I'm in Bathurst, and have also spent many years in

Canberra, and I can assure you that the temp

goes below freezing all too regularly in both! And Oberon (only 40min from

here, and about 2 1/2 hours from Sydney for

those that don't know where it is) gets a decent amount of snow each winter.

I'd never heard anything about height restrictions being related to

trees - but as you say, on your typical bush block,

it's hardly going to be much of a problem!

Damien

Damien... once you get over those mountains all bets are off.
I'm north of Sydney in the lower reaches of the Hunter valley not far from
Cessnock.
I am quite familiar with Bathurst in winter, i had Grandparents living there
when i was a kid.
Still get out that way a few times a year to visit friends in Orange. From
memory they got a bit of snow back in July/August when i was there last,
Bathurst too maybe??
H.

 

[Damien]

Damien... once you get over those mountains all bets are off.
I'm north of Sydney in the lower reaches of the Hunter valley not far from
Cessnock.
I am quite familiar with Bathurst in winter, i had Grandparents living there
when i was a kid.
Still get out that way a few times a year to visit friends in Orange. From
memory they got a bit of snow back in July/August when i was there last,
Bathurst too maybe??

Yep, Orange got some, but they're slighty higher and more exposed - Bathurst is a tad lower (only about 650/670m iirc -
and I think Oberon is up around 800/900m). Every few years we might get a light fall (and probably not even that often),
but it almost always melts as/before it hits the ground. Canberra was pretty much the same (and about the same height),
but the Brindabella Ranges (15 minutes out of town, and about 200m higher up) always got a decent covering in winter,
and of course the Snowies are only about an hour or so south - you always knew when it had snowed if there was a
southerly blowing, I can promise you!!

Damien

 

[News]

Mate, the only people that drink Fosters are
the bloody poms - and they're welcome to it!

No we are not welcome to it. It is akin to Maidens water.

And civilised people don't
drink XXXX either, we leave that for
the banana benders (Queenslanders to all
you folk in the US) - real men drink VB or
Tooheys.

Isn't VB a bitter, not a larger?

And only the women drink Bud over here.

Children drink that here. Silly teenagers, who wouldn't know a good beer if
they fell in one.

 

[Bughunter]

Well, tell me I'm not crazy, and that there was a time when the prices were
that low. Even many years ago, I was astounded to read that real estate
advertisement. Might have been something odd about that property to make it
an exception, but I did read that ad while on a week visit to Sydney.

Had the best chinese food I ever at some hole in the wall chnese resturant,
and a near fatal sunburn walking around the zoo in mid summer.

I did enjoy the hospitality of the Aussies. Good people. Self-sufficient
free spirits. I'd like to visit again.

You'd pay more than that just for a deposit on a _block_ of land these

days, and forget about it if you've got ocean

frontage! A small block of land at Batemans Bay (a town of maybe 10,000 or

so 4 hours south of Sydney) goes for around

$200,000 - more than double what it was only 12 months ago. Similar story

all up and down the coast. Even in Bathurst, 3

hours inland, land prices are skyrocketing - my parents made over $50,000

on a block of land (not even a 1/4 acre!) in

only 3 months. You can forget all about paying reasonable prices for land

anywhere within a half days drive of Sydney,

its completely ridiculous the prices being asked. In some parts of Sydney,

even a rickety old dump that is falling down

around you can fetch upwards of $500,000 in the right areas.

Head out west though, and it gets a bit better. A friend of mine bought 25

acres midway between Goulbourn and Canberra

for $70,000, and another friend who lives in central Queensland said land

there can be had for around $10,000 for 1000

acres. Of course, in an area like that a "big" town will still only have a

couple thousand people maximum, and you're

the better part of a days drive from "civilisation" - but that is what

makes them so appealing, isn't it?

Nor in Australia, not if it has ocean frontage. Even in remote areas,

million dollar price tags aren't uncommon, simply

because it is by the sea. If you want cheap land here, the only place to

go is a long way inland. Of course, part of the

reason for that is that many areas are entering their third year (or more)

of continuous drought, which has quite a

negative impact on prices.


It's not so much a case of having a "frontier attitude" as simply not

giving a shit. If we want to do something, and

there isn't any rule saying we can't then we just do - and if there is, we

do it anyway and hope no one catches us!

 

[Steve Spence]

I'm looking at 60 acres for $35k down the road. All woods, 600' feet
roadside, with $0.045/kWh hydroelectric, phone and cable (tv/Internet)
available at roadside.

--
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Renewable energy and sustainable living
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biodiesel and vegetable oil powered diesels.

 

[Steve Spence]

Found a better deal 12 miles down the road.

285 acres, farm house, and 2 barns, $129K


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Donate $30 or more to Green Trust, and receive
a copy of Joshua Tickell's "From the Fryer to
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Found a better deal 12 miles down the road.

285 acres, farm house, and 2 barns, $129K

Where you live Steve?

 

[Steve Spence]

St. Lawrence County, New York. Just north of the Adirondacks.


--
Steve Spence
Renewable energy and sustainable living
http://www.green-trust.org
Donate $30 or more to Green Trust, and receive
a copy of Joshua Tickell's "From the Fryer to
the Fuel Tank", the premier documentary of
biodiesel and vegetable oil powered diesels.