where's the cheapest electricity?

[[email protected]]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

Michael

 

[Peter Bennett]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

Michael

Vancouver BC: C$.0615 /KWh plus a base charge of C$.12/day


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[Jeff Liebermann]

[email protected] hath wroth:

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

Well, use Google to find the information. Compliments of the Dept of
Energy and your tax dollars at work:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html>
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>

By State:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>
Washington is 4.71 cents/Kw-hr while Calif is 10.59 cents/Kw-hr.

Calif to 1999.
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/california/california.html>

Calif electricity costs and rates:
<http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/index.html#rates>

International statistics:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/electricityprice.html>
<http://www.iea.org/Textbase/stats/index.asp>

Note that some of the prices listed are before taxes, while others
include taxes. Check the footnotes.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide?

Kazakhstan 2.4 cents per Kw-hr for industrial power. Probably
cheaper in OPEC countries but they're not listed.

Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

For industrial power, yes. Taiwan, France, New Zeland, Norway, parts
of USA. See list at:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/elecprii.html>

 

[krw]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

I'm told KY is the cheapest in the US. Their commercial rate is
around $.04/kWh (residential is about twice that).

 

[[email protected]]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

Converted to US$ (of course it depends on exchange rate but as of
today):

Malaysia nationwide:
0.0626 cents /kWh up to 200 kWh
0.0830 cents /kWh for the next 800kWh
0.0896 cents /kWh for the remainder

looks like you guys have it better than me.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] hath wroth:


Well, use Google to find the information. Compliments of the Dept of
Energy and your tax dollars at work:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html>
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>

By State:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>
Washington is 4.71 cents/Kw-hr while Calif is 10.59 cents/Kw-hr.

Calif to 1999.
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/california/california.html>

Calif electricity costs and rates:
<http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/index.html#rates>

International statistics:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/electricityprice.html>
<http://www.iea.org/Textbase/stats/index.asp>

Note that some of the prices listed are before taxes, while others
include taxes. Check the footnotes.


Kazakhstan 2.4 cents per Kw-hr for industrial power. Probably
cheaper in OPEC countries but they're not listed.


For industrial power, yes. Taiwan, France, New Zeland, Norway, parts
of USA. See list at:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/elecprii.html>

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WOW. Thanks, guys.

Kazakhstan... ideal place to put that sodium hydroxide plant, eh?

Michael

 

[D from BC]

Vancouver BC: C$.0615 /KWh plus a base charge of C$.12/day

The hydro better be cheap here...with all the freakn mountains + lots
of rain...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mica_Dam
Owned by BC Hydro.
2.6 Gigawatts


D from BC

 

[AZ Nomad]

Well, use Google to find the information. Compliments of the Dept of
Energy and your tax dollars at work:
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html>
<http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>

here in arizona, there's a "delivery" fee tacked on that is about 75%
of the cost of the electricity. I wonder how many other states have
such a fee.

 

[Robert Baer]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

Michael

If you DIY, it is "free" (ignore cost of generator, etc).

 

[PhattyMo]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

Michael

We use the "time of use" schedule that PGE can set you up with.
(Portland,Oregon)
0.03c/0.06c/0.09c (last I checked) depending on what time of day or
night it is. Sundays are 0.03c all day.

 

[Eeyore]

We use the "time of use" schedule that PGE can set you up with.
(Portland,Oregon)
0.03c/0.06c/0.09c (last I checked) depending on what time of day or
night it is. Sundays are 0.03c all day.

Awesome. I'd consider that to be almost free energy.

The standard tariff here in the UK is about 8-9p (16-18c US) per kWh.

Graham

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Awesome. I'd consider that to be almost free energy.

The standard tariff here in the UK is about 8-9p (16-18c US) per kWh.

Graham

Supposedly the cheapest electricity is nuclear at around 1.8 cents/kWh
wholesale. Naturally, gas and oil fired is considerably more
expensive. Hydroelectric is probably cheaper but it's pretty much all
tapped out, even in places like Iran and China, which is why they
want/are building lots of nuclear plants.




Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[G]

I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
there.

That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
available?

I run all the lights and central air, and I never go much above $50 a month,
even in the winter when I run some electric heaters. I have two
refridgerators. Its well known around here that others who have another
electric company have bills double.

greg

 

[JeffM]

Kazakhstan... ideal place to put that sodium hydroxide plant, eh?
Michael

I was thinking "Depends on your production schedules".
I remembered seeing a presentation on PBS
and I would have sworn it was about Kazakhstan.
(I realize now I was thinking about Borat.)

This one was about Tbilisi in Georgia.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-airport-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-erratic-supply-*-*-*-*
The pictures they showed of "the grid" were frightening.
The *hours per day* thing makes me think of Iraq.

 

[JeffM]

Supposedly the cheapest electricity is nuclear
at around 1.8 cents/kWh wholesale.

The *unmetered* hype spread around in the '50s
could almost be achieved with currently-available technology.
I wonder why there isn't more of a drive toward these:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...eat-*-*-*-*-*-in-*-idle-state#Safety_features

 

[[email protected]]

I was thinking "Depends on your production schedules".
I remembered seeing a presentation on PBS
and I would have sworn it was about Kazakhstan.
(I realize now I was thinking about Borat.)

This one was about Tbilisi in Georgia.http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:k3qcZwm4XtEJ:www.pbs.org/indepen...
The pictures they showed of "the grid" were frightening.
The *hours per day* thing makes me think of Iraq.

West Virginia, Wyoming and Idaho are looking really good right about
now.

I wonder if Google will open their next server farms there, or go for
a Kazakhstan server farm?

Michael

 

[Richard Henry]

Supposedly the cheapest electricity is nuclear at around 1.8 cents/kWh
wholesale. Naturally, gas and oil fired is considerably more
expensive. Hydroelectric is probably cheaper but it's pretty much all
tapped out, even in places like Iran and China, which is why they
want/are building lots of nuclear plants.

Does that include amortization of construction and decommissioning
costs?

 

[[email protected]]

Does that include amortization of construction and decommissioning
costs?

What decommissioning costs? You really believe they'd take the time
and money to decommission the nuke plants afterwards?

http://mrdarrett.googlepages.com/nuke.JPG/nuke-full.jpg

(cheesy grin)

Michael

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

[email protected] hath wroth:

West Virginia, Wyoming and Idaho are looking really good right about
now.
I wonder if Google will open their next server farms there, or go for
a Kazakhstan server farm?
Michael

Oh, you want *RELIABLE* power as well as cheap? Well, that's a
different story. We have NERC:
<http://www.nerc.com>
which is a big help in keeping the grid functional. Also CAISO (Calif
Independent System Operators):
<http://www.caiso.com>
and of course the feds regulate everything, FERC (Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission):
<http://www.ferc.gov>

"2006 Long-Term Reliability Assessment
The Reliability of the Bulk Power Systems in North America"
<ftp://www.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/docs/pubs/LTRA2006.pdf>

"2006 System Disturbances
Review of Selected Electric System Disturbances in North America"
<ftp://www.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/oc/dawg/disturb06.pdf>

I wouldn't be surprised if Google is considering building their own
nuclear reactor and power generation system just to avoid the
bureaucracy.

Anyways, the problem with electrical reliability comes in two parts,
generation and distribution. If Google can locate their server farm
near a power plant, the distribution part of the equation disappears.
If the plant has a proven history of reliable operation, all the
better. Location is almost incidental as it's MUCH cheaper to run a
few fiber optic cables to the nearest connection exchanges, than to
run power transmission lines.

 

[Rich Grise]

Awesome. I'd consider that to be almost free energy.

The standard tariff here in the UK is about 8-9p (16-18c US) per kWh.

Well, yeah, but here in The New World, ( ;-) ), we got real lucky.
You don't have stuff like the Grand Canyon or the Snake or Mississippi
or Missouri rivers to dam. And Niagara falls! Don't get me started!

But I have no idea what my electric bill is - I've got some other
guy paying it for me. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich