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  1. Guest

    I heard Google moved to Washington State for the cheap hydropower
    there.

    That raises a question - where is the cheapest electricity available,
    worldwide? Is anything close to or less than 5 cents / kw-hr
    available?

    Michael
     
  2. Vancouver BC: C$.0615 /KWh plus a base charge of C$.12/day


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  3. hath wroth:
    Well, use Google to find the information. Compliments of the Dept of
    Energy and your tax dollars at work:
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html>
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>

    By State:
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/table5_6_a.html>
    Washington is 4.71 cents/Kw-hr while Calif is 10.59 cents/Kw-hr.

    Calif to 1999.
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/california/california.html>

    Calif electricity costs and rates:
    <http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/index.html#rates>

    International statistics:
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/electricityprice.html>
    <http://www.iea.org/Textbase/stats/index.asp>

    Note that some of the prices listed are before taxes, while others
    include taxes. Check the footnotes.
    Kazakhstan 2.4 cents per Kw-hr for industrial power. Probably
    cheaper in OPEC countries but they're not listed.
    For industrial power, yes. Taiwan, France, New Zeland, Norway, parts
    of USA. See list at:
    <http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/elecprii.html>
     
  4. krw

    krw Guest

    I'm told KY is the cheapest in the US. Their commercial rate is
    around $.04/kWh (residential is about twice that).
     
  5. Guest

    Converted to US$ (of course it depends on exchange rate but as of
    today):

    Malaysia nationwide:
    0.0626 cents /kWh up to 200 kWh
    0.0830 cents /kWh for the next 800kWh
    0.0896 cents /kWh for the remainder

    looks like you guys have it better than me.
     
  6. Guest


    WOW. Thanks, guys.

    Kazakhstan... ideal place to put that sodium hydroxide plant, eh?

    Michael
     
  7. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    The hydro better be cheap here...with all the freakn mountains + lots
    of rain...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mica_Dam
    Owned by BC Hydro.
    2.6 Gigawatts :p


    D from BC
     
  8. AZ Nomad

    AZ Nomad Guest

  9. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    If you DIY, it is "free" (ignore cost of generator, etc).
     
  10. PhattyMo

    PhattyMo Guest

    We use the "time of use" schedule that PGE can set you up with.
    (Portland,Oregon)
    0.03c/0.06c/0.09c (last I checked) depending on what time of day or
    night it is. Sundays are 0.03c all day.
     
  11. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Awesome. I'd consider that to be almost free energy.

    The standard tariff here in the UK is about 8-9p (16-18c US) per kWh.

    Graham
     
  12. Supposedly the cheapest electricity is nuclear at around 1.8 cents/kWh
    wholesale. Naturally, gas and oil fired is considerably more
    expensive. Hydroelectric is probably cheaper but it's pretty much all
    tapped out, even in places like Iran and China, which is why they
    want/are building lots of nuclear plants.




    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  13. G

    G Guest

    I run all the lights and central air, and I never go much above $50 a month,
    even in the winter when I run some electric heaters. I have two
    refridgerators. Its well known around here that others who have another
    electric company have bills double.

    greg
     
  14. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    I was thinking "Depends on your production schedules".
    I remembered seeing a presentation on PBS
    and I would have sworn it was about Kazakhstan.
    (I realize now I was thinking about Borat.)

    This one was about Tbilisi in Georgia.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...-airport-*-*-*-*-*-*+*-erratic-supply-*-*-*-*
    The pictures they showed of "the grid" were frightening.
    The *hours per day* thing makes me think of Iraq.
     
  15. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

  16. Guest



    West Virginia, Wyoming and Idaho are looking really good right about
    now.

    I wonder if Google will open their next server farms there, or go for
    a Kazakhstan server farm?

    Michael
     
  17. Does that include amortization of construction and decommissioning
    costs?
     
  18. Guest



    What decommissioning costs? You really believe they'd take the time
    and money to decommission the nuke plants afterwards?

    http://mrdarrett.googlepages.com/nuke.JPG/nuke-full.jpg

    (cheesy grin)

    Michael
     
  19. hath wroth:
    Oh, you want *RELIABLE* power as well as cheap? Well, that's a
    different story. We have NERC:
    <http://www.nerc.com>
    which is a big help in keeping the grid functional. Also CAISO (Calif
    Independent System Operators):
    <http://www.caiso.com>
    and of course the feds regulate everything, FERC (Federal Energy
    Regulatory Commission):
    <http://www.ferc.gov>

    "2006 Long-Term Reliability Assessment
    The Reliability of the Bulk Power Systems in North America"
    <ftp://www.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/docs/pubs/LTRA2006.pdf>

    "2006 System Disturbances
    Review of Selected Electric System Disturbances in North America"
    <ftp://www.nerc.com/pub/sys/all_updl/oc/dawg/disturb06.pdf>

    I wouldn't be surprised if Google is considering building their own
    nuclear reactor and power generation system just to avoid the
    bureaucracy.

    Anyways, the problem with electrical reliability comes in two parts,
    generation and distribution. If Google can locate their server farm
    near a power plant, the distribution part of the equation disappears.
    If the plant has a proven history of reliable operation, all the
    better. Location is almost incidental as it's MUCH cheaper to run a
    few fiber optic cables to the nearest connection exchanges, than to
    run power transmission lines.
     
  20. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Well, yeah, but here in The New World, ( ;-) ), we got real lucky.
    You don't have stuff like the Grand Canyon or the Snake or Mississippi
    or Missouri rivers to dam. And Niagara falls! Don't get me started!

    But I have no idea what my electric bill is - I've got some other
    guy paying it for me. ;-)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
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