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What is the "Proper" way to attach lead wire to in wall wire

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Artistry

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi:

I'm pre-wiring my house, and have a 16/2 homerun wire to each of my doors.
My exterior doors are hung. I have recessed magnetic switches, Senco
1125W-N, that I would like to install now, before the drywall and moldings
are in place.

I can think of a dozen ways to connect the 12 inch lead wires to the cable,
but what is the "proper" way to make the connection?

I have not decided on the actual alarm system yet. Do I need to add a
resister to the ends of the cable where the switches are? If resisters are
needed, can they be connected to the end of the wire inside the control box?
Each cable is connected to only one switch, except the double French door.
I will put a switch in for each door in series.

Seems like information I should be able to find published, but I've searched
the web and many books from the library. I can't find exact instructions on
the correct way to connect the cable to the lead wires.

Thanks,
John
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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| Hi:
|
| I'm pre-wiring my house, and have a 16/2 homerun wire to each of my doors.
| My exterior doors are hung. I have recessed magnetic switches, Senco
| 1125W-N, that I would like to install now, before the drywall and moldings
| are in place.

Glad you amended that in your second post, 'cause you'd hate yourself when
trying to connect 16/2 to a switch in a 3/8" recessed door hole!
Methods to connect:
Solder & Heat Shrink - if you have time, this is the best
Dry B-Beans
Gel filled B-Beans
Where we are we NEVER use tape, the heat makes the tape fall off or move.
Better yet use switches that have micro-screw terminals!

|
| I can think of a dozen ways to connect the 12 inch lead wires to the
cable,
| but what is the "proper" way to make the connection?
|
| I have not decided on the actual alarm system yet. Do I need to add a
| resister to the ends of the cable where the switches are? If resisters
are
| needed, can they be connected to the end of the wire inside the control
box?
| Each cable is connected to only one switch, except the double French door.
| I will put a switch in for each door in series.

Technically the resistors belong at the end of the line...at the device. But
if you dont know what panel you are going to install you won't know what
resistor value to put out there. Also, you won't know where to put them if
you are looping doors/windows in the same zone - you only put one resistor
per zone. If all your doors/windows will be on a separate zone then you
would need one at each.

Although I am tempted, I will refrain from starting the great-eol-discussion
:)

|
| Seems like information I should be able to find published, but I've
searched
| the web and many books from the library. I can't find exact instructions
on
| the correct way to connect the cable to the lead wires.

No doubt.

|
| Thanks,
| John
|
|
 
A

Artistry

Jan 1, 1970
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Great!

All my soldering equipment is in storage, hence the need to build a new
house. This FINALLY gives me a justification to purchase one of those
cordless Cold Heat soldering tools.

I personally could not think of anything that would be as reliable, but I
thought that the industry would have adopted a less time consuming method.

I didn’t recognize the phrases, “Dry B-Beans,” or “Gel filled B-Beans”. I
googled them with unrelated results.

I’m not familiar with the “the great-eol-discussion”, but it sounds like the
contentious, “should totals be at the top of a spread sheet column, or at
the bottom of the column” debate. I looked in our company’s professionally
installed alarm system’s control box. There I saw a mess of loose and
connected wires, some with dangling resisters, and others without.

I very much appreciate your response. It will be applied tonight.

Thanks,
John
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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| Great!
|
| All my soldering equipment is in storage, hence the need to build a new
| house. This FINALLY gives me a justification to purchase one of those
| cordless Cold Heat soldering tools.

It would be a good excuse to buy a new tool, but you can solder with a match
or butane lighter if you're careful. But use heatshrink tubing not tape.

|
| I personally could not think of anything that would be as reliable, but I
| thought that the industry would have adopted a less time consuming method.
|
| I didn’t recognize the phrases, “Dry B-Beans,” or “Gel filled B-Beans”. I
| googled them with unrelated results.

Formal name: B-Connectors, we call them beanies.
The dry ones, are just that...dry inside.
The jelly ones have a gel inside to prevent corrosion.

http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Hardware-Cable/ELK-Accessories/Item/ELK-900-2/

These are very overpriced...just wanted to show ya what they look like.

|
| I’m not familiar with the “the great-eol-discussion”, but it sounds like
the
| contentious, “should totals be at the top of a spread sheet column, or at
| the bottom of the column” debate. I looked in our company’s
professionally
| installed alarm system’s control box. There I saw a mess of loose and
| connected wires, some with dangling resisters, and others without.

Yah, that would get the discussion going...end of line resistor in the panel
instead of out where they belong. Personally, I use a balance of in panel,
and eol...but sshhhh!


|
| I very much appreciate your response. It will be applied tonight.
|
| Thanks,
| John
|
| | > inline...
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | Hi:
| > |
| > | I'm pre-wiring my house, and have a 16/2 homerun wire to each of my
| doors.
| > | My exterior doors are hung. I have recessed magnetic switches, Senco
| > | 1125W-N, that I would like to install now, before the drywall and
| moldings
| > | are in place.
| >
| > Glad you amended that in your second post, 'cause you'd hate yourself
when
| > trying to connect 16/2 to a switch in a 3/8" recessed door hole!
| > Methods to connect:
| > Solder & Heat Shrink - if you have time, this is the best
| > Dry B-Beans
| > Gel filled B-Beans
| > Where we are we NEVER use tape, the heat makes the tape fall off or
move.
| > Better yet use switches that have micro-screw terminals!
| >
| > |
| > | I can think of a dozen ways to connect the 12 inch lead wires to the
| > cable,
| > | but what is the "proper" way to make the connection?
| > |
| > | I have not decided on the actual alarm system yet. Do I need to add a
| > | resister to the ends of the cable where the switches are? If
resisters
| > are
| > | needed, can they be connected to the end of the wire inside the
control
| > box?
| > | Each cable is connected to only one switch, except the double French
| door.
| > | I will put a switch in for each door in series.
| >
| > Technically the resistors belong at the end of the line...at the device.
| But
| > if you dont know what panel you are going to install you won't know what
| > resistor value to put out there. Also, you won't know where to put them
if
| > you are looping doors/windows in the same zone - you only put one
resistor
| > per zone. If all your doors/windows will be on a separate zone then you
| > would need one at each.
| >
| > Although I am tempted, I will refrain from starting the
| great-eol-discussion
| > :)
| >
| > |
| > | Seems like information I should be able to find published, but I've
| > searched
| > | the web and many books from the library. I can't find exact
| instructions
| > on
| > | the correct way to connect the cable to the lead wires.
| >
| > No doubt.
| >
| > |
| > | Thanks,
| > | John
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
N

Nomen Nescio

Jan 1, 1970
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Artistry said:
All my soldering equipment is in storage, hence the need to build a new
house. This FINALLY gives me a justification to purchase one of those
cordless Cold Heat soldering tools.

I personally could not think of anything that would be as reliable, but I
thought that the industry would have adopted a less time consuming method.

I didn't recognize the phrases, "Dry B-Beans," or "Gel filled B-Beans". I
googled them with unrelated results.

First of all, don't buy the Cold Heat tool. It's a toy. If you insist on
a portable soldering iron, get one that runs on butane. However, if all
you want to do is solder contacts to wire, just buy a disposable butane
lighter, preferably with an adjustable flame. Before you start talking
about cold solder joints, realize that a butane flame is considerably
hotter than the tip of a soldering iron. Plus, a butane lighter fits in
your pocket, and cools down almost instantly. Stagger the splices to
minimize the overall diameter of the splice, i.e., don't put the two
splices side by side.

I'm an old-timer, so I prefer solder and tape. If you want to look at
solderless connectors that are widely used in the alarm industry, search on
the term "B wire connector." That's the term Western Electric used when
they invented them. They don't stuff up a small hole nearly as nicely as a
soldered, staggered splice.

- badenov
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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They do if you bend them a little...but screw terminal stubbies are the way
to go.




| Artistry said:
|
| >All my soldering equipment is in storage, hence the need to build a new
| >house. This FINALLY gives me a justification to purchase one of those
| >cordless Cold Heat soldering tools.
| >
| >I personally could not think of anything that would be as reliable, but I
| >thought that the industry would have adopted a less time consuming
method.
| >
| >I didn't recognize the phrases, "Dry B-Beans," or "Gel filled B-Beans".
I
| >googled them with unrelated results.
|
| First of all, don't buy the Cold Heat tool. It's a toy. If you insist on
| a portable soldering iron, get one that runs on butane. However, if all
| you want to do is solder contacts to wire, just buy a disposable butane
| lighter, preferably with an adjustable flame. Before you start talking
| about cold solder joints, realize that a butane flame is considerably
| hotter than the tip of a soldering iron. Plus, a butane lighter fits in
| your pocket, and cools down almost instantly. Stagger the splices to
| minimize the overall diameter of the splice, i.e., don't put the two
| splices side by side.
|
| I'm an old-timer, so I prefer solder and tape. If you want to look at
| solderless connectors that are widely used in the alarm industry, search
on
| the term "B wire connector." That's the term Western Electric used when
| they invented them. They don't stuff up a small hole nearly as nicely as
a
| soldered, staggered splice.
|
| - badenov
|
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
0
Crash said:
They do if you bend them a little...but screw terminal stubbies are the way
to go.


Now you're talkin'!!! GRI rules!
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Well worth the extra few cents paid, for the time saved. That's all I use
now, unless I absolutely need leads now. Trying to fish beanies up into a
3/8" hole above your head with bifocals on is a bitch!!

The ONLY complaint I have is that the ridges don't bite into the wood
enough, so if your 3/8" hole is a "ch" bigger you have a loose contact to
deal with.


| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > They do if you bend them a little...but screw terminal stubbies are the
way
| > to go.
|
|
| Now you're talkin'!!! GRI rules!
 
T

Tommy

Jan 1, 1970
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I carry a roll of "33" vinyl electrical tape with me for that problem. usually one wrap will add enough to the diameter to seat in the hole.
 
T

Tommy

Jan 1, 1970
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When you live in an oven....
--



Crash said:
Tape melts out here, I find that papertape (the blue painter's stuff) works
ok...or a flat wood toothpick.


"Tommy" <tommy at leesecurity dot net> wrote in message
I carry a roll of "33" vinyl electrical tape with me for that problem.
usually one wrap will add enough to the diameter to seat in the hole.
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
Tape melts out here, I find that papertape (the blue painter's stuff) works
ok...or a flat wood toothpick.


"Tommy" <tommy at leesecurity dot net> wrote in message
I carry a roll of "33" vinyl electrical tape with me for that problem.
usually one wrap will add enough to the diameter to seat in the hole.
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
0
Crash said:
Tape melts out here, I find that papertape (the blue painter's stuff) works
ok...or a flat wood toothpick.


I remember Bob La Londe posting a message about two years ago where he
was servicing a client's system and a dead scorpion falls out of the
can. That, my friend, would freak me right out. Time to "pull up
stakes" and move to Canada. At least I don't have to check under my
porch for rattlesnakes every morning. :)
 
J

Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash said:
Well worth the extra few cents paid, for the time saved. That's all I use
now, unless I absolutely need leads now. Trying to fish beanies up into a
3/8" hole above your head with bifocals on is a bitch!!

The ONLY complaint I have is that the ridges don't bite into the wood
enough, so if your 3/8" hole is a "ch" bigger you have a loose contact to
deal with.

I've searched and searched, manuals, internet, Google, reference
books, gone to the library...... and no where do I find a conversion
chart reference for converting ch to inches.
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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I had a scorpion (dead) fall out of a can too...scared the crap outta me.
Now I aways stand back when I open the panels up.
We caught a rattler back in August...cute little one. He was napping under
some plywood on the job site. Then a real cute lady walked by with her two
llamas...it's weird out here man.



| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > Tape melts out here, I find that papertape (the blue painter's stuff)
works
| > ok...or a flat wood toothpick.
|
|
| I remember Bob La Londe posting a message about two years ago where he
| was servicing a client's system and a dead scorpion falls out of the
| can. That, my friend, would freak me right out. Time to "pull up
| stakes" and move to Canada. At least I don't have to check under my
| porch for rattlesnakes every morning. :)
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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You're gonna laugh but an engineer told me that a rch has an actual value.
He may have been joking but it didn't sound like it. And only the red ones.


|
| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > Well worth the extra few cents paid, for the time saved. That's all I
use
| > now, unless I absolutely need leads now. Trying to fish beanies up into
a
| > 3/8" hole above your head with bifocals on is a bitch!!
| >
| > The ONLY complaint I have is that the ridges don't bite into the wood
| > enough, so if your 3/8" hole is a "ch" bigger you have a loose contact
to
| > deal with.
| >
| >
|
| I've searched and searched, manuals, internet, Google, reference
| books, gone to the library...... and no where do I find a conversion
| chart reference for converting ch to inches.
|
 
A

alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash Gordon said:
I had a scorpion (dead) fall out of a can too...scared the crap outta me.
Now I aways stand back when I open the panels up.
We caught a rattler back in August...cute little one. He was napping under
some plywood on the job site. Then a real cute lady walked by with her two
llamas...it's weird out here man.

And did newspaper taxis appear on the shore, waiting to take them away?
js
 
J

Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Crash said:
I had a scorpion (dead) fall out of a can too...scared the crap outta me.
Now I aways stand back when I open the panels up.
We caught a rattler back in August...cute little one. He was napping under
some plywood on the job site. Then a real cute lady walked by with her two
llamas...it's weird out here man.

Isn't that a line from the Beatles..... "Lucy in the sky with Diamonds"
.....?
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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No, but the cellophane flowers of yellow and green made me sneeze.



| | >I had a scorpion (dead) fall out of a can too...scared the crap outta me.
| > Now I aways stand back when I open the panels up.
| > We caught a rattler back in August...cute little one. He was napping
under
| > some plywood on the job site. Then a real cute lady walked by with her
two
| > llamas...it's weird out here man.
|
| And did newspaper taxis appear on the shore, waiting to take them away?
| js
|
|
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Roland said:
At least I don't have to check under my porch for rattlesnakes every morning
What do you eat for breakfast then?


Southern fried cat.
 
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