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  1. Mjolinor

    Mjolinor Guest

    I can only base it on the people I have talked to about it. I suppose they
    tend to be mid 20s to mid 30s and hail from the top right hand side (Boston,
    New York and surrounding areas). Not exactly a representative sample I
    suppose but it was just an example. I wish I could offer another example
    because I know I have been shocked a few times by the "wrong" information
    that some people have been taught at school in the US.

    Wrong means "different to what I was taught" :)
     
  2. "Mjolinor" ["an Englishman who goes to the US a lot"] wrote ...
    The USA is somewhat larger (amd more diverse) than the UK.
    For that matter my little state (Oregon) is a bit larger than the
    UK. Don't judge all of us by those NE elite snobs. :)
     
  3. Mjolinor

    Mjolinor Guest

    I thought every one in the US lived in the NE or Miami :)
     
  4. That's what the inhabitants of those places think :)

    A question I've actually had: "This Cambridge University you're going to
    study at... what part of London is that in?" :)
     
  5. Roger Gt

    Roger Gt Guest

    X-No-Archive: yes
    "Rich Grise" wrote
    : "Michael A. Covington" wrote
    : > "Roger Gt" wrote
    : >
    : > > We had a class in school on "Communism Theory and Practice"
    Where
    : > > the seductive nature of the Enemies of civilization were
    shown and
    : > > why theoretical Communism was so enticing, and completely
    : > > unworkable. The link to a Socialists paradise and the quest
    for
    : > > total control of all human life was included, with several
    : > > hypothetical outcomes. Very impressive! Never forget the
    images
    : > > of mass starvation and murder the totalitarian control might
    use
    : > > ___ again!
    : >
    : > Where and when was this?
    : > The point is, of course, quite compelling --
    : > if communism were a good thing,
    : > it would coexist with freedom, and it doesn't.
    :
    : They taught us some stuff about Communism too - one of the
    things I
    : vividly remember is the segment on propaganda tactics. And I see
    : fanatics off all sorts using the exact same tactics, and getting
    away
    : with it.

    We got some of that too, explained how the supporters used the
    "Big Lie" tactic to divert people from looking into the details.
    We all know the "Devil is in the details" and should always look
    before we leap!

    :
    : One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in
    "The
    : Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed
    Schoolhouse";
    : it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they
    only
    : get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned
    out
    : for them, they only get to take what courses they're told,
    everything
    : the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So,
    what's
    : to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
    : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
    propaganda,
    : just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
    : teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
    was
    : during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
    as
    : the current "Homeland Security" evil.
    :
    : And the Big Lie works a lot better these days because people are
    : *SO* <Offensive language deleted> *STUPID*!!!!!
    : Thanks for letting me share, Rich

    Your welcome Rich!
    We always need an example to provide a scale for the comments
    here!
     
  6. --------------
    And which now you're always careful to apply selectively and only
    to socially just alternatives to the current crypto-feudalism.

    How well brainwashed you are. The rich love to hear you regurgitate.
    They spent SO MUCH MONEY programming you.
    What DID you actually think "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS, anyway??

     
  7. Roger Gt

    Roger Gt Guest

    X-No-Archive: yes
    "Mjolinor" wrote
    : > One little event that I also vividly remember was an item in
    "The
    : > Weekly Reader" called "The Little [hammer-and-sickle]ed
    Schoolhouse";
    : > it talked about those poor kids in the communist regime: they
    only
    : > get told what they want them to hear, their lives are planned
    out
    : > for them, they only get to take what courses they're told,
    everything
    : > the communists say is a lie, etc, etc, etc. So I asked, "So,
    what's
    : > to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to
    us?
    : > How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
    propaganda,
    : > just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?"
    The
    : > teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
    was
    : > during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
    as
    : > the current "Homeland Security" evil.
    :
    : As an Englishman who goes to the US a lot one of the things I
    have noticed
    : is the gaps in the education and the things that US children are
    not taught
    : or told about. For example when I went to primary school (7 to
    11 years) we
    : were taught all the American Indian tribes, where they came from
    : geographically, who was friends with whom and generally about
    their
    : lifestyle. I haven't met a single American who was taught it at
    school
    : which, to me, seems absurd. It seems that all Americans know
    about the
    : pilgrim fathers which in terms of the whole picture was a fairly
    : insignificant event.

    Actually I "Went to school" with many of the kids from those
    tribes from around my area, as well as participation in many other
    activities which are part of their culture. There are at least
    fifteen tribes in Arizona, the counties are named after some of
    them. Listing them wouldn't help, you have to meet them to see a
    difference. BTW some of the tribes are still at war with others.
    After several hundreds of years they haven't settled some of the
    disputes. But being an Englishman you wouldn't know that in places
    like Arizona, and southern California there are tribes right in
    town. In Arizona nearly 15% of the state's land belongs to the
    tribes and it's not possible to avoid knowing many of them as they
    are integrated into the society.

    : This is not a dig at American education because I am sure the
    same applies
    : to me, it's just that I can't see my gaps unless someone points
    them out to
    : me.

    The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
    are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at war
    with the US.... Never signed a treaty!
     
  8. Dave VanHorn

    Dave VanHorn Guest

    : So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not doing this exact
    same thing to us?
    So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your file. :)
     
  9. Dave VanHorn

    Dave VanHorn Guest

    The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern peoples
    They're just regrouping?
     
  10. Roger Gt

    Roger Gt Guest

    Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about what?



    : >: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not doing
    this exact
    : same thing to us?
    : > : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
    : > propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor
    Russian kids?"
    :
    : So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about your
    file. :)
    :
    :
     
  11. Mjolinor

    Mjolinor Guest

    That's exactly right, I recently went to South Africa and was asked several
    times which shops I would recommend for someone visiting London. I have a
    standard reply "I visit (insert current place name) more often than I go to
    London" and it's true. I have been to london once in the last 35 years and
    that was once too many.
     
  12. Dave VanHorn

    Dave VanHorn Guest

    Walz. Check the thread.
     
  13. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    & Then there was the sitcom where some New Yawk guy says
    he's going to college at Stamford.

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  14. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Walz, you idiot. You've gone and excerpted the very part that you're
    claiming to make a point with here.

    Read my post again:
    ---------------<quote>-------------------------
    So I asked, "So,
    what's
    : to guarantee that they're not doing this exact same thing to us?
    : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
    propaganda,
    : just like they say they're doing to the poor Russian kids?" The
    : teacher got very nervous and changed the subject. Turns out it
    was
    : during the days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC - almost as insidious
    as
    : the current "Homeland Security" evil.
    --------------<end quote>------------------------------------------

    IOW, if you'd bother to read, I said that I "DID ... actually think
    "The Weekly Reader" actually WAS" was (possibly) propaganda. But,
    and this is something that it's been made clear repeatedly, thinking,
    and questioning, are outside the realm of possibility for you and
    your blindered robot ilk.

    Your brainlock is showing again.

    Try taking a look on the other side of your blinders. Or don't - it's
    your choice.

    Oh, wait! You don't have a choice! You're a servo completely at the
    vagaries of circumstance.

    Sorry.
    Rich
     
  15. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    He's quoting me, about the time in 4th grade, when I asked the teacher
    about the "Weekly Reader" party rag.
    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  16. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever
    actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just ass-u-me-ing
    that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only
    possible alternative?

    Thanks,
    Rich
     
  17. Mjolinor

    Mjolinor Guest

    Just another case of america is at war with everyone unless otherwise
    stated. :)
     
  18. Roger Gt

    Roger Gt Guest

    X-No-Archive: yes
    "Rich Grise" wrote
    : "Dave VanHorn" wrote
    : > > The gaps are just a lot of misinformation, but the eastern
    peoples
    : > > are less exposed to the tribes. The Seminoles are still at
    war
    : > > with the US.... Never signed a treaty!
    : > They're just regrouping?
    : >
    : OK, my ignorance is showing - have the Seminoles and the US ever
    : actually _stated_ that they're at war, or are you just
    ass-u-me-ing
    : that, since there's no _treaty_, that "being at war" is the only
    : possible alternative? Thanks, Rich


    They chased the Army out of Florida at one time. And despite many
    being captured they have never agreed to end hostilities. But
    fortunately for all of us, they haven't fallen to raiding lately.

    Really, it's history....
     
  19. Roger Gt

    Roger Gt Guest

    X-No-Archive: yes


    Ah, Okay!


    "Rich Grise" wrote
    : "Roger Gt" wrote
    : > Lousy cropping. What, or who are you replying to and about
    what?
    : He's quoting me, about the time in 4th grade, when I asked the
    teacher
    : about the "Weekly Reader" party rag.
    : >
    : > : > : >: So I asked, "So, what's to guarantee that they're not
    doing
    : > this exact
    : > : same thing to us?
    : > : > : How do we know that _this_ is true, and not just some
    : > : > propaganda, just like they say they're doing to the poor
    : > Russian kids?"
    : > :
    : > : So THAT's why you're on the list. I was never sure about
    your
    : > file. :)
    : > :
    : > :
    : >
    : >
    : Cheers!
    : Rich
    :
    :
     
  20. [snip]
    You have now.
    In what way? Seems like with just about everything, the first ones are
    the ones that get the glory.
    Duh. You can't know what you don't know. Nobody can.

    As for being taught about native Americans, well, I remember being
    taught about them in school. Not necessarily about all the tribes but
    about some of the more common ones, such as Navajo and some of the
    others in the western U.S. There are too many, so the emphasis was on
    the ones that were here in California, especially the ones that were
    involved with the Spanish Missions. Gabrieleno, Chumash, Ohlone, Miwuk,
    just to name a few.

    There could be more than one reason why the kids aren't taught more, one
    being that they were treated shamefully. When I was in H.S. our history
    teacher went to the library at UCLA, I believe it was, and checked out
    old books from the mid 1800s and read selected paragraphs to us in
    class. It showed now adversarial the situation was back then, with
    settlers afraid they might get scalped by a 'savage'.

    Anyway, that's enough of that, I said it just to prove that I've been
    taught something, not to get any response from others, and I wouldn't
    want anyone to reply thinking they would start an argument. This thread
    has deteriorated to way past the point of the original topic that I
    started. Damn, that really sucks.

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