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  1. rickman

    rickman Guest

    Many years ago before everyone had PCs and before the Internet was a
    gleam in Al Gore's eye (lol) someone showed me a mock ad that touted how
    they used only 100% Natural logarithms along with other turns of phrases
    like "the UN-common log". I can't remember the entire spiel and a
    Google search doesn't turn up anything. This is blowing me away. I
    thought EVERYTHING had made its way onto the Internet by now. Is this
    the one item that somehow was lost to the vagaries of paper and time?
  2. josephkk

    josephkk Guest

    Hell no. As a matter of fact almost all of what is on Internet is
    perceived to be popular in some form. For some time now i have had
    problems finding things on Internet, that i knew was there (at least
    once), and search engines could not find it. I usually could find another
    way to what i was looking for, not always; or sometimes only days later.
    Big Internet is becoming stifling censorship in spite of itself.

  3. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    That's why I have taken to downloading a page or document that I deem
    important to have for future reference. Because I've seen that too, just
    a few months down the road ... "Error 404 - File not found". Just like
    in the old CompuServe forum days, except there we stored for lack of

    In fact, even the US phone system seems to be unraveling a little. There
    is an increasing number of participants that can no longer be reached
    reliably. Where you get through on one discount carrier but receive
    repeated "... cannot be completed as dialed" bounces on another. It
    seems not all carriers like each other anymore.
  4. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    I think there used to be mandatory connectivity in the phone system.
    That's what seems to have gone out the window. Cheap or not, sometimes
    when you are on the road you have no choice. Or when people set up phone
  5. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    I like fake logs, as they will not burn...
  6. Martin Brown

    Martin Brown Guest

    Google destroying the indexing of the old Dejanews was a particularly
    sad piece of vandalism. The new improved Google groups can seldom find
    articles posted more than a couple of years back even given a title!
    Wayback machine is your friend if the link ever did exist you can get
    dated snapshots of the early internet. Put an old URL in and marvel:
    UK has a train system like that. This tickets only valid on trains from
    the train operator that you happen to choose on the same track!
  7. rickman

    rickman Guest

    Verizon is a bit over rated. I spend time in central Virginia and there
    are lots of places where the phone either won't work or drops calls.
    "No service" is a bit of a requirement, but there are plenty of places
    in the US where cell phones just don't work very well.

    But I think the conversation was about land lines actually.
  8. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Yup, or phone numbers in general. The fact that now you cannot reach
    certain numbers via some carriers but you can via other was unheard of a
    few years ago. On the Internet that has become "normal" but it shouldn't
    be the case for phone lines.
  9. Guest

    Perhaps, but only because everyone else is so bad.

    I was quite surprised on a trip up to Illinois in September. We got
    routed (cell phone GPS) through the back waters of KY, IN, and IL, on
    several 2-lane roads and I never lost the data link until I got back
    to civilization along an Interstate in IL. Of course I lost data
    connection driving *through* Columbus, OH, a year ago.
    It shouldn't be the case on the Internet, either. The Internet was
    designed to be more robust than that. Then, there's Windows...
  10. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    No, has nothing to do with Windows. It's rogue copyright "agency"
    behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
    being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
    whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
    Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.

    It is plain old censorship, happening in the western world. Then of
    course there are the various not-so-free countries where it's even worse.
  11. Guest

    I was referring to the reliability of the various products. ;-)
    We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
    banned because it was a porn site, or something. It took
    *months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
    go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.
    Certainly countries like China and Iran (most of the ME) are big into
    censorship. I don't see it here. There's no limit on the crap that's
    out there.
  12. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
    level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
    treatment in the future.

    I just had it happen this morning: "This video contains content from EMI
    Music Publishing and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your
    country on copyright grounds". I still think I am in the US, although in
    the last four years ... well, let's not go there ...
  13. rickman

    rickman Guest

    I'll assume no one here has any recollection of this page from the past.
    Too bad, it was very well done with several jokes that only the STEM
    aware would appreciate.
  14. Guest

    I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
    either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)
    *WHO* blocked it?
  15. Guest

    I doubt anyone knew how to get a site white (or black, for that
    matter) listed. Typical IT organizations.
    Someone probably woke up and read the Constitution. It happens once
    in a while.
  16. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Sorry, I meant CTO. They are usually the top of the command chain for IT.

    I have no idea, I guess EMI got a court order and did it. Or maybe they
    sent a threat letter. Lots of those companies effectively control what
    you can and what you can't see on the Internet.

    In the end it doesn't matter whether censorship happens via government,
    law or corporations. The effect is the same.
  17. amdx

    amdx Guest

    See the thread about the Wayback Machine, I haven't tried the search
    engine but, but I have found several websites that are no long available.

  18. Guest

    Also across the big pond.
    That's a little different than government censorship. I'm not an
    anti-IP type, either. Are you?
    Oh, it matters. A lot!
  19. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    That has never stopped me.

    No, of course not. But it goes too far when a little jingle in some
    video is used as grounds to censor it. In some cases people used a
    certain music just as background, with tons of noise on there. So
    clearly unusable to bootleg a CD or whatnot. They were shut down.

    The difference is quite minor. Think about why banks have nearly all the
    power in the world nowadays.
  20. Guest

    8K miles is enough to stop me from saving them money. Well, it costs
    me a few cents, too (I use my laptop).
    Do you really think it's your job to decide how someone else decides
    to use/control their property?
    No, it certainly is *not* minor. You can change companies and they
    cannot throw you in prison.
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