We Only Use 100% NATURAL Logarithms

[rickman]

Many years ago before everyone had PCs and before the Internet was a
gleam in Al Gore's eye (lol) someone showed me a mock ad that touted how
they used only 100% Natural logarithms along with other turns of phrases
like "the UN-common log". I can't remember the entire spiel and a
Google search doesn't turn up anything. This is blowing me away. I
thought EVERYTHING had made its way onto the Internet by now. Is this
the one item that somehow was lost to the vagaries of paper and time?

 

[josephkk]

Many years ago before everyone had PCs and before the Internet was a
gleam in Al Gore's eye (lol) someone showed me a mock ad that touted how
they used only 100% Natural logarithms along with other turns of phrases
like "the UN-common log". I can't remember the entire spiel and a
Google search doesn't turn up anything. This is blowing me away. I
thought EVERYTHING had made its way onto the Internet by now. Is this
the one item that somehow was lost to the vagaries of paper and time?

Hell no. As a matter of fact almost all of what is on Internet is
perceived to be popular in some form. For some time now i have had
problems finding things on Internet, that i knew was there (at least
once), and search engines could not find it. I usually could find another
way to what i was looking for, not always; or sometimes only days later.
Big Internet is becoming stifling censorship in spite of itself.

?-)

 

[Joerg]

Hell no. As a matter of fact almost all of what is on Internet is
perceived to be popular in some form. For some time now i have had
problems finding things on Internet, that i knew was there (at least
once), and search engines could not find it. I usually could find another
way to what i was looking for, not always; or sometimes only days later.
Big Internet is becoming stifling censorship in spite of itself.

That's why I have taken to downloading a page or document that I deem
important to have for future reference. Because I've seen that too, just
a few months down the road ... "Error 404 - File not found". Just like
in the old CompuServe forum days, except there we stored for lack of
bandwidth.

In fact, even the US phone system seems to be unraveling a little. There
is an increasing number of participants that can no longer be reached
reliably. Where you get through on one discount carrier but receive
repeated "... cannot be completed as dialed" bounces on another. It
seems not all carriers like each other anymore.

 

[Joerg]

There's only a couple of real networks... all the rest are resellers,
and their low prices come with low access priority.

Cheap is as cheap does >:-}

I think there used to be mandatory connectivity in the phone system.
That's what seems to have gone out the window. Cheap or not, sometimes
when you are on the road you have no choice. Or when people set up phone
conferences.

 

[Robert Baer]

Many years ago before everyone had PCs and before the Internet was a
gleam in Al Gore's eye (lol) someone showed me a mock ad that touted how
they used only 100% Natural logarithms along with other turns of phrases
like "the UN-common log". I can't remember the entire spiel and a Google
search doesn't turn up anything. This is blowing me away. I thought
EVERYTHING had made its way onto the Internet by now. Is this the one
item that somehow was lost to the vagaries of paper and time?

I like fake logs, as they will not burn...

 

[Martin Brown]

Google destroying the indexing of the old Dejanews was a particularly
sad piece of vandalism. The new improved Google groups can seldom find
articles posted more than a couple of years back even given a title!

That's why I have taken to downloading a page or document that I deem
important to have for future reference. Because I've seen that too, just
a few months down the road ... "Error 404 - File not found". Just like
in the old CompuServe forum days, except there we stored for lack of
bandwidth.

Wayback machine is your friend if the link ever did exist you can get
dated snapshots of the early internet. Put an old URL in and marvel:

http://archive.org/web/web.php

In fact, even the US phone system seems to be unraveling a little. There
is an increasing number of participants that can no longer be reached
reliably. Where you get through on one discount carrier but receive
repeated "... cannot be completed as dialed" bounces on another. It
seems not all carriers like each other anymore.

UK has a train system like that. This tickets only valid on trains from
the train operator that you happen to choose on the same track!

 

[rickman]

I've only encountered one place in the US where Verizon had no
signal... high up in the Appalachians, Franklin, WV, only me,
hillbilly's and motorcycle gangs... and the sheriff was shooting them
;-)

Verizon is a bit over rated. I spend time in central Virginia and there
are lots of places where the phone either won't work or drops calls.
"No service" is a bit of a requirement, but there are plenty of places
in the US where cell phones just don't work very well.

But I think the conversation was about land lines actually.

 

[Joerg]

Verizon is a bit over rated. I spend time in central Virginia and there
are lots of places where the phone either won't work or drops calls. "No
service" is a bit of a requirement, but there are plenty of places in
the US where cell phones just don't work very well.

But I think the conversation was about land lines actually.

Yup, or phone numbers in general. The fact that now you cannot reach
certain numbers via some carriers but you can via other was unheard of a
few years ago. On the Internet that has become "normal" but it shouldn't
be the case for phone lines.

 

[[email protected]]

Perhaps, but only because everyone else is so bad.

I was quite surprised on a trip up to Illinois in September. We got
routed (cell phone GPS) through the back waters of KY, IN, and IL, on
several 2-lane roads and I never lost the data link until I got back
to civilization along an Interstate in IL. Of course I lost data
connection driving *through* Columbus, OH, a year ago.

Yup, or phone numbers in general. The fact that now you cannot reach
certain numbers via some carriers but you can via other was unheard of a
few years ago. On the Internet that has become "normal" but it shouldn't
be the case for phone lines.

It shouldn't be the case on the Internet, either. The Internet was
designed to be more robust than that. Then, there's Windows...

 

[Joerg]

rickman wrote:

[...]

Yup, or phone numbers in general. The fact that now you cannot reach
certain numbers via some carriers but you can via other was unheard of a
few years ago. On the Internet that has become "normal" but it shouldn't
be the case for phone lines.

It shouldn't be the case on the Internet, either. The Internet was
designed to be more robust than that. Then, there's Windows...

No, has nothing to do with Windows. It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.

It is plain old censorship, happening in the western world. Then of
course there are the various not-so-free countries where it's even worse.

 

[[email protected]]

rickman wrote:

[...]

But I think the conversation was about land lines actually.

Yup, or phone numbers in general. The fact that now you cannot reach
certain numbers via some carriers but you can via other was unheard of a
few years ago. On the Internet that has become "normal" but it shouldn't
be the case for phone lines.

It shouldn't be the case on the Internet, either. The Internet was
designed to be more robust than that. Then, there's Windows...

No, has nothing to do with Windows.

I was referring to the reliability of the various products. ;-)

It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.

We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

It is plain old censorship, happening in the western world. Then of
course there are the various not-so-free countries where it's even worse.

Certainly countries like China and Iran (most of the ME) are big into
censorship. I don't see it here. There's no limit on the crap that's
out there.

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:

[...]

It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.

We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.

Certainly countries like China and Iran (most of the ME) are big into
censorship. I don't see it here. There's no limit on the crap that's
out there.

I just had it happen this morning: "This video contains content from EMI
Music Publishing and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your
country on copyright grounds". I still think I am in the US, although in
the last four years ... well, let's not go there ...

 

[rickman]

Many years ago before everyone had PCs and before the Internet was a
gleam in Al Gore's eye (lol) someone showed me a mock ad that touted how
they used only 100% Natural logarithms along with other turns of phrases
like "the UN-common log". I can't remember the entire spiel and a Google
search doesn't turn up anything. This is blowing me away. I thought
EVERYTHING had made its way onto the Internet by now. Is this the one
item that somehow was lost to the vagaries of paper and time?

I'll assume no one here has any recollection of this page from the past.
Too bad, it was very well done with several jokes that only the STEM
aware would appreciate.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] wrote:

[...]

It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.

We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.

I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)

I just had it happen this morning: "This video contains content from EMI
Music Publishing and EMI, one or more of whom have blocked it in your
country on copyright grounds". I still think I am in the US, although in
the last four years ... well, let's not go there ...

*WHO* blocked it?

 

[[email protected]]

LOL! Porn, can't they just look at the durn site or would that
"corrupt" them?

I doubt anyone knew how to get a site white (or black, for that
matter) listed. Typical IT organizations.

Many years ago Maryland had a board of censors. While I was in college
they reviewed a film with some porn in it and one of them was being
interviewed about it and said, "anyone who watches this film would be
corrupted". I suppose that included them so they were disbanded!

Someone probably woke up and read the Constitution. It happens once
in a while.

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote: [...]


It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.
We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.

I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)

Sorry, I meant CTO. They are usually the top of the command chain for IT.

*WHO* blocked it?

I have no idea, I guess EMI got a court order and did it. Or maybe they
sent a threat letter. Lots of those companies effectively control what
you can and what you can't see on the Internet.

In the end it doesn't matter whether censorship happens via government,
law or corporations. The effect is the same.

 

[amdx]

Hell no. As a matter of fact almost all of what is on Internet is
perceived to be popular in some form. For some time now i have had
problems finding things on Internet, that i knew was there (at least
once), and search engines could not find it. I usually could find another
way to what i was looking for, not always; or sometimes only days later.
Big Internet is becoming stifling censorship in spite of itself.

?-)

See the thread about the Wayback Machine, I haven't tried the search
engine but, but I have found several websites that are no long available.

http://archive.org/web/web.php

Mikek

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[...]


It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.
We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.

I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)

Sorry, I meant CTO. They are usually the top of the command chain for IT.

Also across the big pond.

I have no idea, I guess EMI got a court order and did it. Or maybe they
sent a threat letter. Lots of those companies effectively control what
you can and what you can't see on the Internet.

That's a little different than government censorship. I'm not an
anti-IP type, either. Are you?

In the end it doesn't matter whether censorship happens via government,
law or corporations. The effect is the same.

Oh, it matters. A lot!

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[...]


It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.
We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.
I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)

Sorry, I meant CTO. They are usually the top of the command chain for IT.

Also across the big pond.

That has never stopped me.

That's a little different than government censorship. I'm not an
anti-IP type, either. Are you?

No, of course not. But it goes too far when a little jingle in some
video is used as grounds to censor it. In some cases people used a
certain music just as background, with tons of noise on there. So
clearly unusable to bootleg a CD or whatnot. They were shut down.

Oh, it matters. A lot!

The difference is quite minor. Think about why banks have nearly all the
power in the world nowadays.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[...]


It's rogue copyright "agency"
behavior. For example, a lot of links I send to Germans they end up not
being able to see because their "agency" (GEMA) deemed some jingle or
whatever on there to be violating copyright (as in their profit turf).
Since they are "the law" they can stop whatever they please.
We have a similar thing here. It's called the "IT Department". They
banned kyocera.com because it was a porn site, or something. It took
*months* to get that fixed. They kept arguing that I had no need to
go there since obviously there was some reason it was blacklisted.

Then I'd be in the CEO's office that same day, he is normally their top
level boss. That can turn months into same-day service, plus more polite
treatment in the future.
I doubt the CEO would see me. I never had a meeting with IBM's CEO,
either. He did send me a card, once, though. ;-)

Sorry, I meant CTO. They are usually the top of the command chain for IT.

Also across the big pond.

That has never stopped me.

8K miles is enough to stop me from saving them money. Well, it costs
me a few cents, too (I use my laptop).

No, of course not. But it goes too far when a little jingle in some
video is used as grounds to censor it. In some cases people used a
certain music just as background, with tons of noise on there. So
clearly unusable to bootleg a CD or whatnot. They were shut down.

Do you really think it's your job to decide how someone else decides
to use/control their property?

The difference is quite minor. Think about why banks have nearly all the
power in the world nowadays.

No, it certainly is *not* minor. You can change companies and they
cannot throw you in prison.