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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by amdx, Oct 12, 2009.

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  1. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    Good one!

    I haven't though of that...
  2. Martin Brown

    Martin Brown Guest

    The law was clear enough. She broke the law. The "War on drugs" creates
    a lot of stupid laws like this. Amazing that anybody noticed though!

    I think you can blame Reagan & Bush the elder for that.

    You can't have *any* discretion in the mad world of zero tolerance
    policing. Now remind me which party is it that is heavy on that?

    The US 3 strikes and you are out law has led to a few unlucky saps being
    jailed for life for stealing a pizza. Good policy for shareholders in
    prison operating companies but not for anybody else.
    Gratuitously violent, draconian and badly thought out shoot from the hip
    law and order measures are the hallmark of rightwing bigots.

    Martin Brown
  3. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    And liberal weinerheads piss off everybody who has common sense when they
    take the Bushist war ball and run with it, or take the Bush deficit
    and triple it in the name of universal socialism.

    Socialism is bad because it's based on theft. People should have the
    wherewithal to pay their own damn bills, rather than rip off the working

  4. That is too much like "if you're not with us, you're against us" for my
    liking, but I know what you mean.
    Can't "agreeing to help each other" be regarded as an extension of your
    "interpersonal responsibility" ?
    I am not quite convinced that the ultimate goal of liberalism is the
    Borg Collective. Though no doubt many here will agree with you :)

    Wow, quite an essay...!

    Of course, I see much of the above is coloured by your own opinions -
    forgive me if I don't take your definitions as totally definitive :) But
    I do appreciate the brain-dump.

  5. One has to have both personal and interpersonal responsibility. What good
    does it do if everyone tries to take care of each other but not themselves?
    And if you have a few that do have personal responsiblity then they will be
    used and abused by the others. i.e., the others become leeches. In some
    sense you can't distinguish the two concepts. If you have interpersonal
    responsibility you won't burden yourself with others because that is not
    helping the others... But that is personal responsbility to some degree.

    It may not be the goal but it shall be the result...
    To have any meaningful discussion we have to start with solid definitions.
    My definitions of conservatism and liberalism may not be yours but mine are
    pretty much solid in that they allow us to talk about it in a more specific

    Once we have very specific definitions we can add modifiers to expand on
    them. In the real word there are of course complex mixtures and no one
    person is completely a conservative or liberal. But this is also what makes
    it very difficult to discuss.

    But in any case it's my own interpretation of the problem. Of course it is
    far from perfect but I do think that it at least simplifies the problem. You
    may call yourself a liberal, for example, and not like my definition because
    it doesn't seem to fit. This is because the definition is a generalization
    of my interpretation of what it means to be liberal. It is an abstract
    idea. I would bet that if you sat down an analyzed your own beliefs in an
    abstract manner you would see that they probably fall in one of those two
    categories. In fact, they have to by the way I constructed it. You either
    are in A or you are in not A. Since A + not A is the whole universe you have
    to fall somewhere in it. Of course I might have made liberalism too large
    or conservatism too small but that is besides the point.

    In any case it is very difficult for me to explain because I'm trying to
    approach it mathematically with a solid mathematical model. The results are
    simply my guestimation based on abstractions I learned from studying the
    ising model, population dynamics, and celluar automata(Although I only
    studied that informally). It's not the math that is involved but the
    abstract meanings in the models. Hence the ising model may be about modeling
    ferromagnetism it is more abstractly a model of binary interaction. If we
    think of conservatism as +1 and liberalism as -1 and some interaction then
    we have an "ising model". Similarly with population dynamics we have the
    quintessential example of the fox and the hare. With ceullar automata we
    have a method of interaction based on rules(can be a binary system or

    In any case I don't claim that is the way it is but just my observations and
    analysis based on what I have learned through the years. (it would be nice
    if it was more precise and objective but I don't have time nor the
    intelligence to do so)
  6. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest


    That sense of liberal died at least 40 years ago. It was assassinated
    in the US universities in the 1960's.
  7. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    Far less right wing bigots than mom and pop shop owners (and their
    sympathizers) tired of getting robbed and shot up because there was
    not enough in the cash register to satisfy the druggie gunslinger
    robber. These people have friends and families as well.

    Have you ever lived in/near a bad slum?
  8. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    Great idea, lets start with Algor.
  9. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    Some schools around Sacramento are doing a better job than that. Not
    that such is much of a call to fame.
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