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Martin Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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First Calgary now Toronto, Mayor Rob Ford's take:

“I just want to ensure people that we have everything under control,” the mayor said. He blamed the flooding on years of overspending on frivolous projects and lack of attention to rebuilding the city’s infrastructure.

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/07/08/flooding-causes-havoc-in-toronto-with-video-and-gallery/
He wants to "ensure people" - is this some strange left pondian usage?

"everything under control" also seems a very bold claim under the
circumstances - I'd hate to see what out of control looked like!

I expect airbags do go off if you slam into a wall of water at 40mph.
They might also go off if the right bit of wiring harness gets wet. I
have lost a mudflap once in a flash flood. Certain cars like Renault
Meganes with low air intakes tend to end up bobbing up and down in the
local deep car trap if they try to go through after a bad storm. The
engine is usually a total writeoff and the car pretty messy inside too.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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He wants to "ensure people" - is this some strange left pondian usage?

"everything under control" also seems a very bold claim under the
circumstances - I'd hate to see what out of control looked like!

I expect airbags do go off if you slam into a wall of water at 40mph.
They might also go off if the right bit of wiring harness gets wet. I
have lost a mudflap once in a flash flood. Certain cars like Renault
Meganes with low air intakes tend to end up bobbing up and down in the
local deep car trap if they try to go through after a bad storm. The
engine is usually a total writeoff and the car pretty messy inside too.

Yesterday I drove (very slowly) through 2+ feet of muddy water running
sideways like a river across the road.. not nice, and not where you'd
expect it. They had to rescue ~1,000 people from a commuter train with
rafts. Most intense rainfall ever recorded (~5" in 2-3 hours). I've
seen some sh*t in the last 24 hours..
 
Yesterday I drove (very slowly) through 2+ feet of muddy water running

sideways like a river across the road.. not nice, and not where you'd

expect it. They had to rescue ~1,000 people from a commuter train with

rafts. Most intense rainfall ever recorded (~5" in 2-3 hours). I've

seen some sh*t in the last 24 hours..

Latest headline "Tampering alleged in fiery Quebec train crash" , the Lac-Megantic calamity. Seems someone was tampering with at least one locomotive after the train was parked for the night. Wow, Canada is such a great place, hardly any crime, huh.
 
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Bob Quintal

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] wrote in
Latest headline "Tampering alleged in fiery Quebec train crash" ,
the Lac-Megantic calamity. Seems someone was tampering with at
least one locomotive after the train was parked for the night.
Wow, Canada is such a great place, hardly any crime, huh.

From one news headline published this morning:
The chairman of the company whose train exploded in downtown Lac-
Mégantic says he is certain it was tampered with.

A later headline:
Firefighters in the nearby town of Nantes put out a separate blaze on
the train shortly before it crashed into Lac-Megantic early Saturday.
Ed Burkhardt, chief executive officer and president of Rail World,
the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, told
media outlets there's evidence the engine powering the brakes was
shut down at some point.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/world/americas/canada-runaway-
train/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Pressed to elaborate by CTV, Burkhardt wrote Tuesday in an e-mail
exchange, "We are now aware the firefighters shut down the
locomotive.

So the firemen are guilty of tampering with a badly maintained
locomotive by putting out a fire.

Rrrrrriiiiight!!!!!!!! (Bill Cosby)
 
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P E Schoen

Jan 1, 1970
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"Bob Quintal" wrote in message
From one news headline published this morning:
The chairman of the company whose train exploded in downtown Lac-
Mégantic says he is certain it was tampered with.
A later headline:
Firefighters in the nearby town of Nantes put out a separate blaze on
the train shortly before it crashed into Lac-Megantic early Saturday.
Ed Burkhardt, chief executive officer and president of Rail World,
the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, told
media outlets there's evidence the engine powering the brakes was
shut down at some point.
<http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/world/americas/canada-runaway-train/index.html?hpt=hp_t1>
Pressed to elaborate by CTV, Burkhardt wrote Tuesday in an e-mail
exchange, "We are now aware the firefighters shut down the
locomotive.
So the firemen are guilty of tampering with a badly maintained
locomotive by putting out a fire.
Rrrrrriiiiight!!!!!!!! (Bill Cosby)

It will be interesting to get more details as the investigation continues. I
was not fully familiar with the Westinghouse air brake system so I read up
on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_air_brake

The individual car brakes should be applied automatically if the pressure in
the main brake line drops below a certain threshold, and each car has its
own reservoir of compressed air to exert maximum force on the brakes.
However, if the valve between, say, the engine and the cars is closed, the
system will be "fooled", as happened in the infamous accident in DC in 1953:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Pennsylvania_Railroad_train_wreck

I think rail cars also have the old-fashioned manual parking brakes actuated
by a handwheel, which should have been used if the train was parked for any
length of time. But people are lazy and crews are sparse, so this was
probably not done. There are also wheel chocks that would have prevented
this.

Although sabotage and terrorism have been so far not suspected, this may
have been an attempt to push for the Keystone pipeline which would reduce
the rail transport of crude oil across Canada, to the less risky (for
Canada) of having it pumped across the US to refineries and ships in the
Gulf of Mexico where it will be taken to foreign customers. The benefits of
this pipeline to the US are minimal and temporary in the form of local jobs,
but the environmental impact of the inevitable oil spills could be
disastrous.

Seems like an awful lot of accidents lately (the airliner crash in SF), as
well as a lot of extreme weather like the deluge in Toronto and disasters
like the deadly CO wildfires. AGW? End of Days?

Paul
 
[email protected] wrote in












From one news headline published this morning:

The chairman of the company whose train exploded in downtown Lac-

M�gantic says he is certain it was tampered with.



A later headline:

Firefighters in the nearby town of Nantes put out a separate blaze on

the train shortly before it crashed into Lac-Megantic early Saturday.

Ed Burkhardt, chief executive officer and president of Rail World,

the parent company of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway, told

media outlets there's evidence the engine powering the brakes was

shut down at some point.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/world/americas/canada-runaway-

train/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



Pressed to elaborate by CTV, Burkhardt wrote Tuesday in an e-mail

exchange, "We are now aware the firefighters shut down the

locomotive.



So the firemen are guilty of tampering with a badly maintained

locomotive by putting out a fire.



Rrrrrriiiiight!!!!!!!! (Bill Cosby)



--

Bob Q.

PA is y I've altered my address.

The original fire was arson. And since when does a fire occur in a component of 7500 tons of freight payload, parked on a slope, and the train companydoesn't bother to come and check the situation until the next morning???
 
"Bob Quintal" wrote in message

















It will be interesting to get more details as the investigation continues.. I

was not fully familiar with the Westinghouse air brake system so I read up

on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_air_brake



The individual car brakes should be applied automatically if the pressurein

the main brake line drops below a certain threshold, and each car has its

own reservoir of compressed air to exert maximum force on the brakes.

However, if the valve between, say, the engine and the cars is closed, the

system will be "fooled", as happened in the infamous accident in DC in 1953:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Pennsylvania_Railroad_train_wreck



I think rail cars also have the old-fashioned manual parking brakes actuated

by a handwheel, which should have been used if the train was parked for any

length of time. But people are lazy and crews are sparse, so this was

probably not done. There are also wheel chocks that would have prevented

this.



Although sabotage and terrorism have been so far not suspected, this may

have been an attempt to push for the Keystone pipeline which would reduce

the rail transport of crude oil across Canada, to the less risky (for

Canada) of having it pumped across the US to refineries and ships in the

Gulf of Mexico where it will be taken to foreign customers. The benefits of

this pipeline to the US are minimal and temporary in the form of local jobs,

but the environmental impact of the inevitable oil spills could be

disastrous.

Enough evidence has been discovered to start a criminal investigation. Thiswas no accident. From USA Today:
Quebec police Inspector Michel Forget said that investigators have "discovered elements" that have led to a criminal probe. He gave no details but ruled out terrorism.
Seems like an awful lot of accidents lately (the airliner crash in SF), as

well as a lot of extreme weather like the deluge in Toronto and disasters

like the deadly CO wildfires. AGW? End of Days?

SFO- another minimalist Boeing design delaying alarms and other pilot warning until 1.5 seconds before crash...ummmm, talk about next to worthless.
 
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rickman

Jan 1, 1970
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Yesterday I drove (very slowly) through 2+ feet of muddy water running
sideways like a river across the road.. not nice, and not where you'd
expect it. They had to rescue ~1,000 people from a commuter train with
rafts. Most intense rainfall ever recorded (~5" in 2-3 hours). I've
seen some sh*t in the last 24 hours..

Over 2 feet! Do you have any idea of how dangerous that was? Were you
in a 4WD truck or a passenger car? Most cars will start to lift off
their tires in over 2 feet of water and be swept away. It happens all
the time.
 
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