Water for Fuel 555 timer project

Discussion in 'Electronic Basics' started by Kevin, Oct 18, 2005.

1. KevinGuest

Yes, this is about the circuit that is supposed to split water at lo
voltages. This is for my electrolysis cell. I'm trying to be focused her
so please no sceptical remarks or I'll be forced to hex you with passing
kidney stone the size of a mountain.

The circuit is simple but too complicated for me in respects t
determining the size of the resistors and capasitors. If someone coul
either break it down for me or recommend a size I would greatly appriciat
it. I have only a few schematics to share with you. But most of you ar
probably so dang smart you can imagine the rest of it(wish I could).

The Basics:

555 timer 1 : The ending result will be a 12 volt DC pulsed square wave a
300mA (3.6 watts) with a 10:1 mark-space ratio and a linear frequency swee
from 10-250 KHZ.

555 timer 2 : The ending result will be a 12 volt DC pulsed square wave a
300mA (3.6watts) with a 10:1 makr-space ratio and a linear frequency swee
from 15-30 HZ.

Only Available Schematics located @ :

http://www.waterforfuel.com/schematics.html

The Complications:

The circuit schematics I have are for two 555 timers and I want to use

I want to switch to use either, timer 1 or timer 2, as primary an
secondary into my electrodes( 1= orthohydrogen, 2= parahydrogen). Basicl
one switch to swap jobs.

I would like the option of a toggle switch to switch from 300mA to 600m
output if possible. I would like an LED to indicate power ON.

I would love to have the option to swap the polarity of the electrode
using a potentiometer (0ff-????HZ) for testing. I'm currently researchin
the possibility of adding some sort of strobing infared LEDs to vibrat
the water in a way which will also increase the gas output. So if that i
possible I'd like to add that for testing also.

The patent I am toying with is from a company called Xogen (co ha
disappeared) and relative ideas from the videos and patent of Stanle
Meyers (dead). Both claimed to have invented a contraption that woul
split water in to hydrogen and oxygen on demand to run cars, planes
boats, generators...etc. I have to say I will only know if it is true o
not by making the circuit myself. But I need some help...all the info
have is @ www.waterforfuel.com.

My email addess is . I'm setting here with m
soldering iron hot.. I got a radio shack 2 miles down the road (no I
knowledgable reps tho).. and I have a hand full of parts already: projec
box and ic board, 556CN, 10K resistors, and a 2N3055 transistor... and i
the other hand some money to buy more parts! I really am excited to wor
on this but desperate for some simple instructions so I can just slap on
of these puppies together. If it works and you help me the most I'll mak
one for you.... if it doesn't work I'll send you the original

Kevin

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2. Rich WebbGuest

For your own peace of mind, just be danged sure to use de-oxygenated
Monster (TM) cables when you hook this baby up!

3. GenomeGuest

Ahhhhhh yes indeed.....

Brown's Gas.

You need to excite the water with an AC voltage at or close to the
dissociation energy of the water molecules within the local environment for
maximum energy transfer (a broad band)

This improves the rate at which you can produce the stoichemetric H2 + O
mixture for subsequent use elsewhere whilst optimising efficiency.

Furthermore there is no need to add other chemical agents which will poisen
the equipment and reduce its lifetime.

DNA

4. PeteGuest

Kevin,

Have you been here http://www.keelynet.com/ or here

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/keely/keely.htm

But I have an open mind so let's go. What is it you would like? The resistor
values are there already you just need to do a search for the 556 to get the
pin numbers, oh ok, I will do it for you try this >
http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/LM555.html has a s..t load of info on
555/556. You may need some Vero board, have you got that yet? Oh and by the
way you need to install sepll chcek.

Extra: Try Terry Pinnell here at
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/terrypin/indexpersonal.html has a lot of info
on the ol' 555. Send him a question.

Now ya come back here, you hear!

Cheers.

5. RichardGuest

<snip>

The values are listed on the schematic you provided the link to.
Are these the original specs, or something you came up with? If original,
see above comment.

Why do you think Xogen 'disappeared'? My guess is that the product didn't
work efficiently enough to make it economical. That, and the thousands of
dollars required to convert a standard ICE to run on hydrogen would not make
it economical for the masses.

The web site quotes one paragraph of a Ford Motor Company press release.
Read the rest of it to find out that Ford used a greatly (read that as
'expensively') modified ICE for their tests. Joe or Jane Average probably
won't be able to afford that.
Unplug your soldering iron and stay out of RS for awhile. Use your money to
buy a couple of good Chemistry and Physics books. Use them to figure the
stored energy you can expect from the amount of hydrogen your device will
recover from the water (assuminmg you can figure out how much hydrogen that
is). Then, figure out how much energy you will use to get that amount of
economical sense. If they do, either get the necessary electronics, physics,
and chemistry education, or convince investors it makes sense and hire the
engineers to make it happen.Richard - Chesapeake, VA

6. Buddy SmithGuest

Say it with me: "Water is burnt hydrogen".

You may attribute that to me, but nothing's new under the sun, so I'm
sure someone else has also said it

I'll let you know how that kidney stone turns out.

--buddy

7. Jasen BettsGuest

The water to fuel game is full of cranks and con-men, it's quite possible
the patent is only for show. or if it works is impractical.

Bye.
Jasen

8. KevinGuest

...and you need to take a comprehension class. I said no skeptics. Sinc
you refuse to understand my simplest hick english let me help you.

You are a prick. I can't understand why you can't keep your comments t
yourself when you have nothing worthwhile to read about or say. I have n
opinion on whether physics, business, or chemistry apply here... I don'
even care if you read this.. I state I need help with the 555 circui
schematics along with what I added. None of that stuff is in any picture
I provided.

I don't care if you believe it won’t work, it will work, I'll blow my sel
up, or magically make little pixie fairies fly out my butt... I don'
care.

All I want is some help with the schematics. Not a donated kidney, not m
turd.

It is in my nature to try and fix something broken before I throw it away
And I have 1 year to keep my domain, do some research, and make my ow
decisions. How dare you try and keep my imagination from me... Have yo
gotten my drift yet? Do I need to continue? Please don't post here unles
you got real, tangible schematics or good ideas... if you can't sa
something nice then keep your opinions to yourself.

Kevin

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9. KevinGuest

I'm sure its some form of Brown's Gas but I not using AC. I'm using DC. An
for research purposes I'd like to swap polarity of my electrodes at abou
20,000 cycles using DC.

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10. KevinGuest

Yes, I dont know what the capasitor/resistor values are goin to be for th
555 chips. If I knew exactly what to connect and to where I would b
finished with this already... Outside of just getting the correct value
for the 555 timers I think I got the other values. I know how to instal
switches and LEDs... Hope you can help.

Kevin

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11. KevinGuest

Water is burnt Hydrogen! hahaha That is a great saying! I'll have t
remember that...

Kevin

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12. KevinGuest

Did you see the xogen video? Did you read the xogen patent? I dont know o
any scam company that would invest in patent lawyers, a video productio
crew and equipment, and show you the invetion... just to disappear withou
a profit.

But I dont really care. I just want to see if I can duplicate th
technology and make some additions for my own enjoyment. If it works
just might disappear also. If it doesn't work I'll disappear anyways.

Cheers,
Kevin

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13. mikeGuest

http://www.phact.org/e/z/xogen/

14. KevinGuest

This guy is using AC and I'm using DC... and if he isn't showing hi
schematics then I don't care if he says he can fly.... I don't believe i
untill I see it.

Kevin

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15. Guest

Kevin, You are NOT USING AC.

You are using DC Pulses.
There is a BIG Difference between AC and Puldsed DC.

Take care............Gary
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16. mikeGuest

OK, so you don't want to hear any theory.
If you just build the damn thing the way it's shown, you will have a
much easier time. If you change the circuit, you won't know if the
thing don't work or if you messed up in the conversion.

If you want flexibility, scratch the whole thing and use a
microcontroller to generate any combination of signals you want.

But the easiest way is to buy a pair of function generators to generate
the signals. Compared to the zillions you're gonna make when this
works, the function generators are a TINY investment.

We all know why the inventors disappeared. Either they successfully hid
from their investors...or their investors found them. ;-)

Have fun inventing new physics. Somebody's gotta do it.
mike

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17. JamieGuest

Just be careful, i know some one that was experimenting
with fuel cells there by separating the water, he started
small and then kept on enlarging the process ..
all of this was being worked on in his garage, then one
day i guess there was an excess of H and got ignited, burnt
the garage down and put him self in the hospital with various
flash burns all over him.
H does raise fast how ever, when inclosed inside a garage with
no place to go and then some kind of ignition
takes place, you will have a problem.!

18. KevinGuest

Yes, I not going to try and murder myself via explosion.... the governmen
wouldn't like that... I still have many years of taxes ahead.

I was going to make it exactly like the patent..... but I decieded t
enhance it because the schematics didn't show the LED or and option t
increase the voltage. But I promis to keep it simple so everyone ca
replicate it.

Cheers,
Kevin

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19. KevinGuest

OK, so you don't want to hear any theory.
Well if the first 50\$ contraption is worthless then I sure will. I hav
been pricing them on EBAY. I was also under some impression I could jus
build a few function generators and maybe reuse the parts on the fina
version of the water cracker.

heh... the white guy said cracker...

Kevin