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  1. amdx

    amdx Guest

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975737976619187.html

    A few quotes.

    "Where red-light running is a problem, the solution is usually a longer
    yellow "


    "Half a dozen Georgia towns just cancelled their camera contracts after a
    state
    law mandating the addition of an extra second to the yellow made them
    unprofitable."

    "Laid to rest long ago should have been the pretense that the goal is
    "safety," not chasing cash. New York State, sinking under budget shortfalls,
    last week authorized a batch of new red-light cameras around the state."
    Mike
     
  2. Sylvia Else

    Sylvia Else Guest

    This is a complex issue. People do run red lights - I've seen it happen
    often enough. Lengthening the yellow reduces this only where the time
    left before the light goes red, allowing for reaction times, means that
    drivers are otherwise too close to the junction to feel comfortable
    about stopping.

    Other drivers will simply respond to longer yellow periods by being
    willing to run lights from further back - "if the light goes yellow, put
    your foot down". Indeed, one might even anticipate increasing accident
    rates caused by such drivers' inaccurate judgement about when the light
    will actually go red.

    Accidents caused by the latter group can only be reduced by increasing
    the delay between a light going red and the conflicting light going
    green. Or by disuading such people from running red lights be camera
    based enforcement. The latter is preferable, because the former reduces
    traffic throughput.

    Maybe the situation in the USA is different, but here in NSW, Australia,
    I haven't heard of a single convincing case, documented with video,
    showing a red-light camera connected to lights with an unreasonably
    short yellow period.

    Sylvia.
     
  3. Guest

    Try Cleveland Ohio, or Most of Florida.

    Steve
     
  4. krw

    krw Guest

    So is paying your "fair share". So pony up!
     
  5. amdx

    amdx Guest

    The story I heard was about the poor elderly widow that got caught by one
    of these
    short yellows and received a $485 ticket, she has to pay this out of her
    monthly
    social security check.

    When we divide up the tootsie rolls for the kids they all get equal
    amounts.
    That's only fair and common sense.
    When the country has a bill to pay, we should divide it up by 300 million
    and bill everyone equal amounts.
    Bet you have a problem with fair now!
    Mike
     
  6. Jon Danniken

    Jon Danniken Guest

    We solved that problem here in Oregon, by dictating that you have to stop at
    a yellow light if you safely can do it.

    In other words, in most cases a yellow light means you have to stop, unless
    doing so would create a hazard to the drivers behind you.

    Jon
     
  7. krw

    krw Guest

    Right. Only "the rich" should pay for their actions.
    "For the children." Of course.
    Only "the rich" should pay. Tax businesses more! Subsidize the poor.
    You get what you subsidize and we *sure* don't want more of "the
    rich", right?
    He don't know me vewwy well, do he?

    <Janet, are you listening?>
     
  8. krw

    krw Guest

    The way to control speeding is to design the road for the speed
    desired. If the road is designed for 50, people will drive 50. Speed
    limits are properly set at the 85th percentile and roads adjusted to
    meet the desired ends.
    Sounds just like the Obama and the DHS. Are you going to shit on
    their lawn now?
    Neat. Easy lunch for the hawk and saved the tax payer some money. ;-)
     
  9. amdx

    amdx Guest

    Oh! you were being facetious, well your right, Jim should pay more.
    Mike :)
     
  10. krw

    krw Guest

    Well, these days you never know who's watching. PC is now not only "a
    good idea", it's the law.
     
  11. T

    T Guest

    I'm one of those leftist weenies you speak of but even I abhor the
    practices used with traffic cameras.
     
  12. T

    T Guest

    Yep, motion capture cameras are great for that. I live on a one way
    street in the city. You constantly see cars go the wrong way down the
    street.

    Then of course there are the taggers like this one on the building next
    door to mine:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3317/3447942011_6e33483129_b.jpg

    Though I seem to appreciate the political tags a bit more:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/3448757246_3bde24ea41_b.jpg

    Those big plates to protext the HV lines for the trains are just an
    invitation to tag.
     
  13. T

    T Guest

    Until some brilliant councilman figured out that money could be made on
    the deal.

    They still put the automatic RADAR units in neighborhoods. They only
    show speed and don't record anything.
     
  14. T

    T Guest

    We have the same law here in Rhode Island yet most peole continue to
    blow through the yellow light.
     
  15. krw

    krw Guest

    Yep, even leftist weenies don't like *their* ox Gored. They sure
    don't mind Goreing others.
     
  16. krw

    krw Guest

    Yes, in New England you'd better blow through the yellow light because
    the person behind you certainly will, whether you do or not.

    BTW, there is no law against blowing through a yellow. That's what
    it's there for.
     
  17. krw

    krw Guest

    Do you have statistics? The 85th percentile rule works amazingly
    well.
    No, when the members of the opposition are targeted, instead of the
    ones who have declared war on us, it's a bad thing. Only a leftist
    weenie would confuse the two.
    If course they're thoughtless asses. The question is what you're
    going to use the information for? If nothing, then the information
    has equal value. The neighbor has four constantly yapping ankle
    biters (who run loose and dig under our common fence). I don't need a
    stupid camera to know who owns them but the information doesn't do me
    any good.
    We have a bunch of red tails around here too. They tend to stay away
    from the residential areas though. There were some black vultures
    along the road the other day. Impressive birds too.
     
  18. krw

    krw Guest

    Then the road should be posted at 35mph. Don't like it? Then have
    the road changed.
    Nonsense. The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.
    I hope you consult the appropriate authorities and your insurance
    agent. I'm not so interested in fighting a murder rap or even a
    wrongful death suit.
     
  19. krw

    krw Guest

    I didn't say they were crazy, just nuts. ;-)
     
  20. Bolt an I-beam and/or a railroad tie to the rear bumper. Make it high
    enough that, when you stop (and they attempt to), it targets their soft
    (and expensive) crumple zone :)

    Paul
     
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