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  1. Guest

    I need to make pressure measurement circuit. Output of this circuit
    must be a variable resistance that must be between 10 ohm and 180 ohm
    acoording to applied pressure. pressure sensor gives 0- 20 mV output
    and I amplify it by an instrumentation amplifier to 0 - 5V level and
    sample it with an microcontroller. After microcontroller stage I must
    convert this measured value to an resistance value for output because
    Display circuits reads pressure values as a variable resistance between
    10 ohm to 180 ohm. Variable resistance is referenced to ground from one
    of its terminals. Maybe this design can be implemented without
    microcontroller.

    How can I make variable resistance by the means of microcontroller or
    without using microcontroller

    Thanks
     
  2. Simplest is often PWM duty cycling which integrates into resistance.

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  3. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    If Don's pure PWM doesn't work you could use PWM and drive a FET gate
    with it. Make sure it's integrated well enough so the gate sees pure DC.
    However, since these have a large tolerance you need to drive via an
    opamp, use a FET array and hook a 2nd FET on the same die into the
    feedback. The 2nd FET forms a voltage divider with a resistor and then
    the uC can simply set a DC voltage (via the PWM) and this value
    translates into drain-source resistance.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  4. You have the microcontroller, use a PWM output, switch between two
    stable known voltage values (Vdd/Vss may be good enough for you), LPF
    to get DC, feed that to a voltage-controlled current sink. Measure the
    voltage at the current source output pin using a spare ADC input.
    Periodically calculate and output the PWM duty cycle so that Iout =
    Vc/Rs, where Rs is the desired simulated sensor resistance and Vc is
    the voltage at the collector (or drain) of the current sink.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  5. A 1K resistor with a CMOS 4016 or other switch in series with it looks
    like 1K at full duty cycle, 10K at 9:1 and 100K at 99:1 duty cycle.

    So long as whatever is using the resistance can integrate the pwm.
    Usually a plain old capacitor will suffice.

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  6. Guest

    Farnell list several interesting devices - Fairchild's opto-FETs (H11F1
    and H11F3) which make very good isolated controllable resistors, though
    they won't get down to 180R, let alone 10R, and Vishay's IL300
    optocouplr with two separate photodiodes, both driven by the same LED.

    With the IL300 you use one photodiode for local feedback, while the
    other one sits on the other side of the isolation barrier. Cute.
     
  7. Yes, a good old trick.
    He needs to go down to something like *10* ohms, sounds like an
    automotive gauge or something like that. I'm thinking those things
    respond to the RMS current, not the average current, since they use a
    heater coil and a bimetal.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  8. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Bill,
    These are nice but not so suitable for RF paths because of their large
    GS capacitance. A real MOSFET might be better in many cases if you can
    live within the limits for the gate breakdown voltage.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  9. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    If I were emulating variable resistance I think I'd opt for a
    multiplying DAC, an OpAmp and a FET (or bipolar), so that the devices
    expecting a variable R actually saw the "real thing". I'm not sure
    some circuits would respond well to a PWM emulation unless designed
    for it in the first place.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  10. Genome

    Genome Guest

    There's too much legacy shit on this planet.

    DNA
     
  11. Which is similar to some excellent advice you and other
    people gave me in a thread here about 3 years ago.

    Google for thread title "Voltage Controlled Resistor?".
    The original question was posted by me on 11 Dec 02.
     
  12. Guest

    Thank you everybody for your advices.
    This circuit will be used in automative application.
    Circuit must work in wide temperature rance maybe -4 F and 176 F (-20 C
    and 80 C) so if I use FET type solution
    Linearity and resistance change can occur. if I use this type of
    solution I will need a feedback mechanism

    Maybe I can use a switched resistor network 1ohm,2
    ohm,4,8,16,32,64,128,256 ohm maybe R-2R ladder network(I dont know how
    can I use it in this application)

    I am waiting for your advices

    thank you
     
  13. Tony Williams wrote...
    At 10:35 am
    Message-ID: <>

    That was a great thread, with several conversations going on
    at once, and by the 15th you had a working circuit you were
    happy with, although it did have a multiplier. :)

    I made a copy this morning, edited for brevity, posted below.
    The multiplier solution comes near the end of the text, where
    Google put it, although it was one of the early forks.

    ==============================================================


    Subject: Voltage Controlled Resistor?
    Group: sci.electronics.design

    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 10:35 am
    Message-ID: <>
    Email: Tony Williams <>

    What's a good way of doing a precision VCR?
    I thought it was easy, but have been doodling
    on paper for half a day now. I could have
    sworn it could be done without a multiplier.
    Must be going senile.........

    The spec; Vcontrol= 0-10V, Rout= 0-1k, over
    the range 0-10v or 0-10mA. 15-0-15 available.

    --
    Tony Williams.

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: Jim Thompson
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 10:53 am

    I addressed this recently on A.B.S.E at...
    Message ID: <>

    There's also a Voltage Variable Resistor part for PSpice on my
    website.

    ...Jim Thompson

    From: fred bartoli
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 12:04 pm

    That kind of resistor made in POLY ???


    From: Jim Thompson

    Fred, I'll presume you're not already into the Christmas cheer and
    assume you mean POLYnomial and not POLYsilicon ;-)

    You can do it with a polynomial, but PSpice has had, for several
    years, the EVALUE and GVALUE parts, thus you can avoid the gruesome
    polynomial notation.


    From: fred bartoli

    He he, I know that. Was just playing on the ambiguity...


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 12:09 pm

    It has scrolled off the servers now.


    From: Michael A. Terrell

    I have a copy if you want it.


    From: Spehro Pefhany

    Why not repost it to abse?


    From: Michael A. Terrell

    That was why I asked if he wants it. I knew I had downloaded
    it, but it took a while to find.


    From: Tony Williams

    Yes please Michael.


    From: Michael A. Terrell

    It has been posted to subject:
    Repost for Win Hill. If you can't get it there, I can E-mail it to you.


    From: Jim Thompson
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 7:09 pm

    I sent Tony a copy via E-mail.


    From: Michael A. Terrell

    OK, I had posted it anyway. At least you know someone downloaded it.
    :)


    From: Tony Williams

    Received thank you. Still sitting here looking
    at it. 00:20 in the morning is not my best time.

    ------------------------------------------------------

    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 4:38 am

    And I still can't see it. Because I can't get past
    the interpretation that Q2's emitter is forced to
    sit at -Vbe(Q1) permanently, by the opamp. So the
    range of Vcontrol looks limited to the Vbe difference
    between two transistors with their emitters joined.

    --

    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 9:18 am

    It's a small piece of an analog multiplier circuit.

    IN o--+-----------------,
    | ______ |
    | | | |
    R1 | Q1 | | Q2
    | | |/ \| Vc
    +----+----| |---o
    | |\V V/|
    | __ |_____| matched NPN
    '---|- \ | transistors
    | \______|
    | /
    ,---|+_/
    |
    gnd

    The current in R1 and hence Q1 is I1 = Vin/R1, so Vbe1 from
    Eber-Molls is Vbe1 = VT ln(I1/Is), where VT = kT/q and Is is
    the reverse saturation current (which in a complete setup
    would ultimately disappear from our equations). Seeing that
    Vbe2 = Vc + Vbe1, we can determine I2 as a function of Vc,
    I2 = Is e^ (Vc/Vt + ln(I1/Is)). This can be manipulated into
    an I2 = I1 * K form, where K is an exponential function of Vc.
    So we see Rin = R1 in parallel with a programmable resistance.

    Isolating R1's current from the IN terminal with a follower,
    and deriving Vc from a current into a logging transistor to
    fix the exponential-function issue, can clean up the control
    equations. Two more transistors and three more opamps later
    we'll obtain a resistance proportional to Vc looking like,
    R = (Vc/R2)/(Vref/R3). I'll post a new drawing and explain
    the equations tonight or early tomorrow morning; right now I
    have to walk the dog and go to work. :>)


    From: Tony Williams - view profile
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 10:20 am

    I'd already got as far as ln(I2/I1) = Vc*(q/kT) and
    therefore the actual incoming control voltage would
    have to be logged, such that Vc = kT/q * ln(Vin).
    This would give I2 = I1 * Vin.

    Rout = Vout/Iout = Vout/(I1+I2) = Vout/I1(1 + Vin).

    And the easiest way to get rid of the non-linearity
    due to the (1 + Vin) term is to buffer R1, so that
    Iout does not have to include the I1 current to R1.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 10:13 pm
    OK, i'll indulge myself. Here's the full drawing and formula
    for R ~ control voltage. R_in = R1 (Vset/Vref)(R3/R2), if
    I avoided mixing up a numerator and denominator someplace!

    .. Rin = 1.0k Vset/10
    .. IN o----------------, ___ R3 ___ Vref = 10V
    .. G =_+1 | | 10k
    .. __ R1 ___/ |___| __ | ___ R2___ Vset
    .. | 2.0k \_| | __/ -|----+ | 20k 0 to +10V
    .. |_________ | | \_+|--G | |_________
    .. | | | | | | |
    .. | Q1 |/ Q2 \| | |/ Q3 \| Q4 |
    .. +-------| |---+--------| |-------+
    .. | |\V V/| |\V V/| |
    .. | __ |_____| matched NPN |_____| __ |
    .. '--|- \______| transistors |______/- |--'
    .. G --|+_/ \+_|-- G

    If Q1-Q2 and Q3-Q4 are each matched to 25uV, and with a beta
    approaching 1000, the formula should be accurate to about 0.1%
    Alternately a few trim-point adjustments can be added.

    Thanks,
    - Win


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 4:11 am

    That topology (4x transistors, log/antilog config) is
    almost identical to the 'circuit' of the Raytheon
    RC4200 analogue multiplier...still available, very cheap,
    good linearity.

    It would need an RC4200, two opamps, MOSFET and current
    shunt. Quite a simple circuit really.

    Both approaches result in Rout = Vout/Iout, = K.Vset,
    but there is a subtle difference in the methods.

    The topology above is of an output current device,
    setting Iout according to the sum; Iout = Vout/K.Vset.
    ie. It works by taking the reciprocal of Vset, so the
    circuit is at highest 'Gain' at low values of Vset.

    Speff's topology is of an output voltage device,
    setting Vout according to the sum: Vout = Iout*K.Vset.
    ie, It requires a straight multiplier.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 7:47 am

    .. o x o y o out o z
    .. _______| | | |_______
    .. | | | | | |
    .. | |/ Q1 | | Q4 \| |
    .. gnd --|-----| ______| | |-----|-- gnd
    .. | |\V | | | V/| |
    .. | | | Q2 |/ Q3 \| | |
    .. | _ +--|----| |-----+ _ |
    .. '--|-\__| | |\V V/| |__/-|--'
    .. V1 ---|+/ | _ |_____| \+|--- gnd
    .. '--|-\____|
    .. V2 ---|+/ Iout = Ix Iy / Iz
    OK, I wonder if it would need that much stuff. Try this on
    for size. Apparently you'll need an R-C on each input pin.

    .. Rin = 40k Vset/10
    .. IN o-------------------------,
    .. G =_+1 |
    .. __ R1 ___/ |___| ____ R3 ___ Vref = 10V
    .. | 40k \_| | / 40k
    .. | ____ | __/
    .. | | | ____ R2___ Vset
    .. | | | | 40k 0 to +10V
    .. o x o y o out o z
    .. _______| | | |_______
    .. | | | | | |
    .. | |/ Q1 | | Q4 \| |
    .. gnd --|-----| ______| | |-----|-- gnd
    .. | |\V | | | V/| |
    .. | | | Q2 |/ Q3 \| | |
    .. | _ +--|----| |-----+ _ |
    .. '--|-\__| | |\V V/| |__/-|--'
    .. V1 ---|+/ | _ |_____| \+|--- gnd
    .. '--|-\____|
    .. V2 ---|+/ Iout = Ix Iy / Iz

    Oops, I see the issue, you need higher output currents and a
    1k rather than 40k range. I see, the extra opamp FET and
    shunt are so you can keep the currents below 250uA.

    I wonder how much effort is required to get all the offsets
    right, etc., for 0.1% performance (fig 7). AD734, wink wink.
    Anyway, very nice, I had forgotten that part. Great that it's
    still available, http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/RC/RC4200.pdf
    And only $4.59 from Newark (stock # 34C1805 and 34C1803).

    One thing I noticed, they used transconductance opamps in the
    RC4200, which is a good idea. Small series resistors at the
    opamp outputs would be a good idea in my circuit for loop
    stability at high currents. Also note, no V+ supply!



    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 6:32 pm

    Just to clarify, everything below the x,y,out,z line
    is inside the RC4200.
    Yes. Note also that the Q3 collector output is limited
    to 5V above the 0v pin.
    The Fig.7 in my data sheet is marked "Extended Range Divider
    and the large collection of resistors around the RC4200
    is to do with obtaining a bipolar Vx and Vout.

    As noted in another post, this particular topology does
    require taking the reciprocal of Vset (as per the use of
    the z input in your circuit above). This would raise
    concerns about the Vos of the z input when operating with
    low values of Vset.

    Note though that the z input opamp does not have a Vos
    adjust facility.
    I've used the RC4200 twice on jobs. Worked ok both times,
    no nasty surprises, all devices well within the tyical spec.

    Trouble is it's one of those chips that grabs your interest,
    but the minor limitations/inconveniences reduces the number
    of job you can actually use it on.

    --
    Tony Williams.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 10:05 pm

    Tony Williams wrote...
    Right, and 0.25mA max for linearity, got it. The buffer for
    the current-multiplying resistor, Rx, needs < 0.5mV offset,
    and Qx needs a stable beta value.

    .. Rin = 1.0k Vset/10 Qx
    .. (x)---+----------, >>--+---------,
    .. | _G=+1 \___/ | |
    .. |_| \__ | 40Rx Rx __ R3 __ Vref
    .. |_/ | | 2.0k _ 50 / 40k 10V
    .. | gnd |____| \__| /
    .. R1 | |_/ / __ R2____ Vset
    .. 40k ___ | ______/ / 40k 0 to +10V
    .. _ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _ _ _ _ /_ _ |_ _ _ _ /_ _ _
    .. o x o y o out o z __trim Vset
    .. _______| | | |_______ | offset
    .. | | | | | | o
    .. | |/ Q1 | | Q4 \| | | "gnd"
    .. G --|-----| ______| | |-----|--+
    .. | |\V | | | V/| | |
    .. | | | Q2 |/ Q3 \| | | |
    .. | _ +--|----| |-----+ _ | |
    .. '--|-\__| | |\V V/| |__/-|--' |
    .. V1 ---|+/ | _ |_____| \+|-----+--> G
    .. '--|-\____|
    .. RC4200 V2 ---|+/ Iout = Ix Iy / Iz
    It does now!
    I have drawers full of chips like that! :>)

    Thanks,
    - Win

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    From: Spehro Pefhany
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 11:11 am

    Could you PWM an analog switch (or just a
    MOSFET) in parallel with a 1K00 resistor?

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
    --
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    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 5:01 pm

    I don't think so Speff. Linear if poss.


    -------------------------------------------------

    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 11:59 am

    Tony wrote...
    You can make 2-quadrant voltage-controlled resistors
    with a programmable transconductance amplifier (OTA)
    such as an LM13700. These are not very expensive and
    a 20:1 range is practical. OK, an OTA is a type of
    multiplier. So what's wrong with using a multiplier?

    Hmm, do you only need single-quadrant operation? You
    could program a simple active resistor with an EEPOT.


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 5:10 pm

    +10v Vref +-------+
    |
    \
    / 1k(approx)
    \
    |
    ADC<------------+----------+
    |
    #
    Rx #<---Vcontrol
    #
    |
    0v1---------- ------+-----------0v2

    Rx has to look like 0 to 1k, 0.1%, varying with Vcontrol.

    Just to make life complicated, 0v1 and 0v2 *are*
    connected together (somewhere) but not precisely here.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 8:15 am

    Tell us more about that "1k(approx)," maybe an appropriate
    type of programmble current in place of Rx can do the job.


    From: Bill Sloman
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 4:08 am

    Use a big dual FET? One drain-source connection would be Rx, the
    other would have a precise 1k from drain to the +10V reference,
    and you'dcouple both gates together and use an op amp (or maybe
    an instrumentation amp) to drive both such gates such that
    voltage across your precise 1k matched your Vcontrol.

    First find a big well-matched dual FET ....


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 4:52 am

    That's not so stupid Bill, because the Co I used to work
    for did make an analogue multiplier based on exactly that.
    Pairs of jfets, matched for VCR characteristics.
    Just one small prob.....


    From: Jem Berkes
    Date: Sun, Dec 15 2002 10:49 am

    Is that based on the idea that drain-source resistance is
    almost linear with small gate voltages? (Not sure about which
    terminal is which)


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Mon, Dec 16 2002 4:30 am

    It was based on pairs of jfets, selected so that their
    ON-resistances versus Vgs were matched. The yield of
    such pairs was quite low, but it was viable because we
    bought jfets by the bucketload, and charged an absolute
    fortune for the final product.

    --
    Tony Williams.


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    From: Spehro Pefhany
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 12:53 pm

    *Precision* 0-1K (0.1-0.01 Ohm accuracy? ) would not
    be very easy with a digital pot, directly anyway.

    I did some work on this in terms of calibrator design
    some years ago, can't recall the conclusions at the
    moment, but it's certainly not insoluble.
    Might have used a multiplying DAC and some circuitry.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Wed, Dec 11 2002 1:22 pm

    Whoa, 10-ppm! Maybe Tony'd better tell us more.
    Yep.


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 11:03 am

    Speff emailed me a few details. Below is a development
    of his ideas towards my spec.

    / | Iout
    +-[R1]---<+1|--+-<--Vout
    | 10k \ | |
    Vin--|X1 Y2|<-R2+ | |
    0v---|X2 Y1|<-R2- | Y2<--+ +
    | | | <--AD633 [R2] 1k, 0.1%
    |AD633| | Y1<--+ -
    | | +---||--, |
    | | | | |
    | OUT|--[R4]--+--|- \ | |/e
    10k | >+----| pnp
    +--|+ / |\
    | |
    0V [R3] 470.
    |
    -15
    I(R1) = Vout/R1.

    From the AD633 analogue multiplier OUT pin.

    I(R4) = (X1-X2)(Y1-Y2)/10*R4 =(Vin)(-Iout*R2)/10*R4.

    The integrator will servo until I(R1) = -I(R4).

    That gives, Vout/R1 = Vin(Iout*R2)/10*R4

    Rout = Vout/Iout = Vin*R2*R1/10*R4.

    If R4= R1, then; Rout = Vin * R1/10 = Vin * 1k/10
    ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

    The pnp is there to provide the 10mA and the 470
    is there to limit the 10mA.

    --
    Tony Williams.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 11:45 am

    Tony Williams wrote...
    ... AD633 ...

    The AD734 has better performance.
    The opamp can't do the job alone?


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Thurs, Dec 12 2002 9:31 pm

    Tony wrote...
    I had a trace of difficulty understanding your drawing, so
    my schematic-editing compulsion took over...

    Very nice, but use an AD734 and let the opamp do it's job
    driving 10mA, I say!



    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 3:27 am
    | \_/D1
    | D2 |
    _____ +------|>|------+
    My app probably needs to prevent Vout going below 0v.
    So I've tucked in two extra diodes to do that.
    I'm getting this aw(e)ful sinking feeling about
    AoE III, particularly Appendix E.................
    Reducing the Vpk seen by the multiplier is quite a
    help to linearity. I've done measurements on the
    AD633 and keeping Vpk at no more than about 6 volts
    is handy.
    Holdover Win, from the days when 5mA was the standard
    max output, and the habit was to avoid offset drift
    due to dissipation in the opamp package.



    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Fri, Dec 13 2002 8:27 am

    If you use an AD734, watch out for the 50k Rin; followers
    can solve the issue, shown above. Perhaps these aren't
    necessary with an AD633, although there can be 2uA bias.



    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Sun, Dec 15 2002 10:10 am

    3k
    +15v----/\/\-------------+--\/\/\--0v
    1.5k |
    [Ammeter] for Iout.
    |
    I breadboarded the above this morning.

    R1= 33.378k, R2= 601, R4= 10.035k.

    This was to give me 200 ohms/volt over a Vin range of 0-6V.

    I've only had time to have a quick look, adjusting the Zero
    and Gain of the decade voltage source for 0 and 1200 ohms.

    Vin Vout/Iout
    ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

    0 0.0 <-- Adjusted.
    1 201.2 ohms.
    2 402.0
    3 602.5
    4 802.1
    5 1001.2
    6 1200.0 <-- Adjusted.

    The +1 amp has a Vos of -2.5mV, the integrator -ve
    input was at +1.95mV, and the output of the AD633
    when Vin = 0v was +0.7mV.

    More measurements if possible, but no time atm.


    From: Spehro Pefhany
    Date: Sun, Dec 15 2002 11:31 am

    Within spitting distance, Tony, depending on how
    your error budget is defined exactly!


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Mon, Dec 16 2002 2:34 am

    Just a quick lash-up to get a feel for the circuit,
    see if there are any unexpecteds, etc.


    From: Winfield Hill
    Date: Sun, Dec 15 2002 10:41 am

    Very nice, I'm sure you must be pleased. How did you make
    the "adjusted" adjustments?

    Hmm, I suspect you'll want to make the rest of your
    measurements with better opamps, so all the blame can be
    laid on the poor old struggling AD633.


    From: Tony Williams
    Date: Mon, Dec 16 2002 3:33 am

    In rather a hurry, just before lunch. I was more
    interested in seeing whether there were any ambushes
    in the circuit. If/when time permits I'll do a more
    careful series of measurements.
    If this circuit goes to layout then of course better
    components will be used (inc multiplier), but did a
    quick breadboard with what is available.
    Ok, that AD633 is being (over)pushed, but not as bad
    as you think. ( Oh buggerit! .... see [*] below.)

    The non-linearity of the Y input is 0.1% (0.4) for
    a 10-0-10V swing. So I use Y as the Vin, 0-6V max.

    The non-linearity of the X input is 0.4% (1.0) for
    a 10-0-10 swing. With a spec range on resistance
    of 1000 to 250 ohms, the current only varies from
    about 5mA to 8mA, a 1.6:1 range. So the swing on
    the X input is not large. With a 601 ohm shunt
    that would be a swing from 3V to 4.8V only.

    [*] Except that clever-clogs here wired it without
    looking at the data sheet and forgot that Y is the
    linear input on some multipliers and X on others.
    Modified below to suit the AD633.

    3k
    Vin--|Y1 | | ,---+
    | X2|------- | ---------' | +
    0v---|Y2 | | R2 601
    | X1|------- | ---------, | -
     
  14. Fred Bloggs

    Fred Bloggs Guest

    Thank you everybody for your advices.
    If this is simply to drive a gauge input then it may be simplified
    greatly if you make some measurements with a variable resistor between
    gauge and GND. Or just use 10, 22, 33, 47, 68, 82, 100, 120, 150, 180
    ohm resistors, one at a time, record the voltage measurement across the
    resistor, that is from gauge terminal to GND; and note the gauge reading
    for each resistor, best estimate is good enough. Then report back with
    the tabulated results.
     
  15. legg

    legg Guest

    Sounds convoluted.

    Do you know how the downstream circuit measures the 'resistance'?

    It may simply be a current source looking at the resulting voltage -
    simply requiring a voltage input.

    Could be an oscillator lookng for a resistance-set current - simply
    supply a current.

    Wouldn't it be strange if the indicator turns out to need a 0-20mV
    input, or if your pressure sensng 'signal' originates in a 10 to 180
    ohm transducer?

    RL
     
  16. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Jim,
    The FET is nice but nowadays it's hard to find one that can cover the
    ranges above 100ohms nicely enough. They are all geared towards low
    RDSon these days and thus have large die and huge capacitances.

    If performance is only required above a few MHz I prefer PIN diodes.
    Currently I am wrestling with these again, fighting rectifying effects
    and all that, plus scouring the dreadfully slow Philips web site for a
    SPICE model of their BAP50. Mostly the site trundles "waiting for
    stockquote blah blah blah...". I mean, why don't they just place the
    sub-circuit or model statements at the end of the data sheet?

    Regards, Joerg
     
  17. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    You missed my point... there's an OpAmp plus a series source R to set
    PRECISE emulation... sort of like a current mirror.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  18. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Jim,
    Sure, I have used that as well in the past to obtain a linear range
    and/or precise setting. But it doesn't make the large capacitance go
    away :-(

    Of course, I already know your answer. But I can't make my own devices,
    we discrete designers have to live with what the semi mfgs place into
    the vending machines.

    Any chance that Lansdale will some day offer the 74HC equivalent of the
    CD4007 but with very low capacitances?

    Regards, Joerg
     
  19. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    I doubt it. You could call Dale Lillard and ask. But Dale tends to
    build them just like they were in the old days, not as you'd like them
    to be today.

    I just got an RFQ to reconstruct an obsolete AM/IF-strip/detector chip
    ;-) (Military use.)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  20. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Jim,
    It would have to be at least like the SD5400 in RF performance. But the
    market would be small since most young EEs don't know how to design with
    this stuff anymore.

    That's a surprise. Usually the defense folks insist on water-tight
    contracts with clauses such as the surrender of the mask plots in case
    of obsolescence or breach of delivery schedule so they can go out and
    have it fabbed elsewhere.

    Regards, Joerg
     
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