Connect with us

Variable power to immersion heater by HF PWM the mains

Discussion in 'Power Electronics' started by eem2am, Jun 6, 2021.

Scroll to continue with content
  1. eem2am

    eem2am

    419
    0
    Aug 3, 2009
    Hi,
    We wish to be able to control the flow of power to the immersion heater (5kW).

    We wish to use FET switchs due to low rdson. High frequency PWM so filtering is small.

    Is the best way simply to have a back to back fet pair in the mains and switch it on/off/on.....or is it best to have like a Totem pole PFC setup?
     
  2. Bluejets

    Bluejets

    4,748
    999
    Oct 5, 2014
    Is this heater DC..?
     
    eem2am likes this.
  3. eem2am

    eem2am

    419
    0
    Aug 3, 2009
    Its just a standard mains immersion heater, so presumably not. But i imagine one can put DC into it, since is basically a resistive heating element.
     
  4. Bluejets

    Bluejets

    4,748
    999
    Oct 5, 2014
    Yes, but if using AC, then you need phase or thermostatic control, not pwm.
    If on DC, then again, thermostat control would be much simpler and argueably, cheaper as well.
     
  5. Alec_t

    Alec_t

    2,948
    803
    Jul 7, 2015
    An immersion heater has a large thermal inertia, so the best way to control it is to use burst mode (i.e. several complete mains cycles on, several off). This minimises EMI.
     
    hevans1944 and Harald Kapp like this.
  6. Bluejets

    Bluejets

    4,748
    999
    Oct 5, 2014
    At around 20A on 220v, this would create surges in the mains that the installation may not be able to cope with.
    Let alone the supply authority complaints from neighbours etc.
     
  7. hevans1944

    hevans1944 Hop - AC8NS

    4,606
    2,151
    Jun 21, 2012
    The worst solution is probably phase control because it introduces a LOT of harmonic frequencies on the mains. Gating the number of power line cycles over a fixed period of time, the "burst mode" solution mentioned by @Alec_t, is the method used by most consumer microwave ovens to control the average microwave power delivered to the cooking chamber. Typical fixed time periods are on the order of one minute, and cycles should be gated on at the zero crossings of the line voltage. For 50 Hz power, there are 3000 complete cycles per minute, yielding very fine control as anywhere from one to three thousand cycles can be gated per minute. Only complete cycles should be gated to prevent any average DC current in the mains. The most common means of accomplishing this is with triacs or a pair of inverse-connected SCRs.

    It has been awhile since I performed "burst mode" or "duty cycle" control of anything, and back in the day we had to "roll our own" logic for zero-crossing detection and cycle counting. Surely there must be commercial equipment available today that will do the same thing better and cheaper than anything you could design and build for a "one-off" project. You would also need to integrate the duty cycle control of the AC line voltage with temperature control of the immersion heater. Maybe someone else here has current experience (no pun intended) in this area? I don't much like most microwave oven's duty cycle control because the adjustment range is very coarse and it doesn't work at all for short time intervals, i.e., cooking times less than the fixed time over which power can be applied, typically one minute. For very long cooking periods it works just fine, so this would be ideal for immersion heater control.

    I don't think @Bluejets comment is valid. Duty cycle control is no more likely to create "surges in the mains" than a simple on/off thermostatic control, provided the electrical wiring and mains supply is adequate. BTW, why do you need proportional control of an immersion heater? Are you trying to obtain a certain temperature with more accuracy than a thermostat would provide?
     
    Martaine2005 likes this.
Ask a Question
Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?
You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.
Electronics Point Logo
Continue to site
Quote of the day

-