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Utility to burn in new hard drive?

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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes Roddli, that's what I said.

Pity it aint what was being discussed.
If they exercised drives like that maniac said they wouldn't have
to do that. The 'exerciser' would have taken care of that too.

Depends on what the exerciser did.
And no, bad sectors showing up would
also be viewed as early drive death.

You presumably meant would not.
 
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Arno Wagner

Jan 1, 1970
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Bazzer Smith said:
By burning it in you will be using it :O)
Just stick it on as a slave, copy some big files to it into a folder, then
copy the folder
repeatedly, delete the lot then do it again untill your paranoia subsides
:O)

I think this is good advice ;-)

Arno
 
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sbb78247

Jan 1, 1970
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Folkert said:
Just did.


Like cutting cost? QC is a cost factor.


Thanks Arnie.
I'll bet you don't even realize the implication of what you just said.

and as always you still do not realize what a nazi cockbite you are.

now **** off to the scsi group where you don't belong

HTH, HAND, and GFIA you useless **** on a stick
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Are there any utilities which can burn-in a new hard drive before I
start to use it?


Put it in a 110 F oven and run a standard benchmarking utility on it
for a decided upon period of time.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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[QUOTE="Osiris said:
Fill it with data, then copy it off again. Personally I
never trust a new drive for at least a few weeks, only
mirrored data goes onto it.

I extend the mistrust to the disks entire llifespan...
It's volatile memory...[/QUOTE]

Not by any technical definition of "volatile".
backup procedures, redundancy etc..

Backups. Redundancy doesn't add much (still have the loose nut
behind the keyboard).
Are there any drives that one could submit to diagnostics ALL the
time, that transmit "condition data" to the mobo/OS constantly ?

Yes.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Fill it with data, then copy it off again. Personally I
never trust a new drive for at least a few weeks, only
mirrored data goes onto it.

How totally unnecessary.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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I extend the mistrust to the disks entire llifespan...
It's volatile memory...
backup procedures, redundancy etc..

Bullshit. Hard drives have a proven record as the best long term
storage devices in the world, and have the fastest access times for
volumes their size as well. The best of nearly every world.
Are there any drives that one could submit to diagnostics ALL the
time, that transmit "condition data" to the mobo/OS constantly ?

An IDE hard drive DOES self diagnose, and will AUTOMATICALLY map out
bad sectors, and said changes will be transparent to the host OS as
well as the user.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Osiris wrote

Yep, that's what SMART is about.
IDE controllers, a circuit on the HD (not the MOBO interface) has
already done this with some manufacturers even before SMART came out.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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You do NOT have to burn in a harddrive.


THANK YOU... The first totally true comment made yet with the
exception of Rod's posts.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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The theory being that burning it in will reveal faults (that won't show up
until used a bit) in areas that can then be locked away from use. Or, if a
significant number, trigger the return of the drive to the vendor.
Google CRC and "Error correction", and STFU.

IDE drives already automatically map out bad sectors completely
transparent to the user as well as the host OS.

Some of you guys seem to have been born yesterday, or learned what
you "know" from someone that was. I sure hope that you didn't
actually "learn" this crap from a course.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Vendors have already done that. Prompt failures after their testing
are rare.


"Vendors" slap the friggin' box together and ship it!

Where do you guys get this crap from?
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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I thought one of the differences between a Maxtor DiamondMax and a
MaXLine was that the MaXLine had been soak tested for longer?

In that case, testing a new drive mightbe worthwhile?


I will NOT buy a MaxTurd hard drive, nor would I ever recommend
doing so.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Nope, no one does that anymore.


It makes more sense to increase the backup
frequency for the first couple of months or so.

I still like the eight or nine drive raid configuration where even
if a drive does take a dump, NO data gets lost, and the replaced drive
gets the data image rebuilt automatically.

THAT is the most reliable method, and if this guy IS running a
business, and is setting up a server that he wants to be completely
reliable, this IS the best option.

SCSI and IDE raid controllers that perform that level of raid array
are not cheap though.

I am in the process of making a eight or nine drive raid level 3
array with laptop drives. I may even set it up for hot swap for
repairs on the fly.

Laptop form factors are the future of hard drives. 3.5" is on its
way out. Perpendicular technology will usher that in.

Less is more, and more fits on less! Couldn't be more perfect.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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True if you don't care whether the drive works.

Flawed, fucked up logic. They have already been thoroughly tested
as long as one sticks with a reputable manufacturer.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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I think the information is not whether the drive works but if it will be
an early failure. The failure curve is a bathtub shape.


Drive experiencing early failure modes or infant mortalities are
found at the factory burn in labs.

Where do you guys get this bullshit from?
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Indeed. But the left side got pretty steep in the last decade
or so. Before it made sense to do some accelerated ageing
("burn in") to get to the level part. Today it does not
really for HDDs or semiconductors.

Absolutely true.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Clueless.

You're an idiot. Surface flaws get found and get mapped out
AUTOMATICALLY, and transparently.

Component failures get found at the factory. Get thyself a clue.
They are just a bit harder to find.

Not at all. Testing labs at manufacturing facilities are decades
ahead of what was done years ago. Chip technology has led to MTBFs
that are reliable and easily provable. One in perhaps a thousand
drives might get through to a consumer with a flaw. Likely even less.
Just as low as it always was.

LOWER, dipshit.
Like you are old enough to know.

Like you are still informed enough to know what has changed in the
realm. It is obvious that you are not.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Just did.


Like cutting cost? QC is a cost factor.


Thanks Arnie.
I'll bet you don't even realize the implication of what you just said.


Leave to a fucking nl twit to think himself superior, as usual.
 
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Phat Bytestard

Jan 1, 1970
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Defining "burn in" as compressing a weeks normal operation into an ,
say, hour ?

Is it "generally accepted", that a virgin HD will only decease within
1 hour or after 5 years of operation ?

What makes you think that ANY hard drive sold today is "virgin"?
 
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