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[Rod Speed]

You seen Titus?
http://tinyurl.com/b4rn92

More of a NBN stir, a big threat with the TV is many will sign up for
US$10 a month accounts as opposed to $100 a month Australian one

Taint gunna happen, because the NBN aint gunna happen.

meaning advertisement revenue lost

Stiff shit for them.

News media are likely to lose their influence also

Not a chance. **** all would be happy with foreign news.

A few do prefer the BBC already, but its riddled with ads and wont
even let you watch most stuff outside britain except with news.

I believe the government has already discounted the Murdoch press from
using it?

Nope, that's a lie.

This will be the domain of the ABC.

Fantasy. Its already the domain of all the commercial channels,
and the ABC and SBS.

The trend for media is Newspapers are dying.

And it remains to be seen if they can reconfigure so that
they can coexist with the net. Bet the best of them can.
Who gives a shit about the rest ?

Statistics will show free TV diminishing

Nope, not now we have seen the number off channels 4 times what it was.

as will cable/satellite

Bet that doesn't happen either. The most we would see is the NBN used
to distribute it if it wasn't for the fact that the NBN wont even happen.

with ones "smart TV" filling all gaps

It doesn't come even close to what you can get free to air TV and PayTV.

(TV's will all become permanently hooked up to Internet)

Nope, plenty wont bother because their free to air TV provides enough for
them.

as will phones.

Even sillier. Hordes wont bother with the net and will just
use them to make and receive calls. And those that are
connected to the net have nothing to with the NBN anyway.

Shopping online will be instant the "ring now" replaced with "click here".

THere will still be plenty that want to look at stuff before they
buy it and want it right away, at the store they can drive to.

No one accurately knows where the NBN will take us.

Yes we do, nowhere, because it aint gunna happen, you watch.

Just like opponents to electricity being supplied house to house in Sydney
(1904).

Nothing like in fact. That didn't have another form of
electricity available to almost everyone who wanted it.

As for the NBN being or becoming a "White Elephant"
best advice the government is listening to says otherwise.

Irrelevant, that govt cant possibly last more than 15 months.

Remember there will be *no copperwire*
or telephone exchanges under the "NBN".

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

In fact its replaced ABSOLUTELY NO copper what so ever yet and it
will have replaced sweet **** all by the time the plug is pulled on it.

So you have no choice but to be assimilated

Even sillier. Even if the NBN did happen, and it cant,
you are welcome to go make an obscene gesture in
their general direction and go wireless any time you like.

Plenty have already done that and done even use any
copper at all anymore except for charging their phone.

Don't know where you or Abbott get their "advice" from?

Doesn't matter, the plug is going to be pulled on the NBN anyway.

Likely Abbott gets his from Turdbull.

But it is already a very political issue in my Liberal seat of Macarthur
by those missing out in the first round of NBN connections.

They have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant.

And sweet **** all in your Liberal seat of Macarthur will have the
NBN by the time the plug is pulled on it anyway, so they can stamp
their tiny foot till it falls off if they like, they aint gunna get it.

Doubt if it is in economic/political interest
to now stop replacing obsolete copperwire.

Not one shred of copper wire has been replaced by the NBN.

No new suburbs are connected with it all fibre.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Exchanges that handle coppwire have been obsolete for years now.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. They ALL handle fiber fine.

 

[Rod Speed]

Never saw or heard of it, but can download it it seems
http://www.btmon.com/torrent/?f=titus

Good.

Taint gunna happen.

News media have not looked after our interests for a long long time

Corse they have with the best of it like the ABC.

and have become basically government and corporate mouthpieces,

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the expose
of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

I would not miss it much if the mainstream media was gone tomorrow.

More fool you.

Television news and current affairs are
old hat with us now having the internet.
Fantasy.

TV you cannot skip news items you have no interest in,

You can with a decent system for watching it.

there are actually very few stories in the time the
news is on once you take out the obvious advertising,
the "advertising pretending to be news" like stories
about a new movie release, new IPOD etc

Even sillier with the ABC.

and rubbish like sport.

No one is holding a gun to your head and is forcing you to watch
what you arent interested in. If someone is doing that, call the cops.

Finally the biggie is that you cannot leave comments or
have a discussion forum with TV like you can on the net.

But the best of those are done by the operation producing the news programs.

That is different, there wasn't electricity before then.

There often was actually, particularly outside the city.

Currently the majority of Australians have at least 8MB
ADSL 1, and usually ADSL 2 also this is more than adequate.
The copper phone service and VOIP via internet is adequate too.

I would agree that money should be spent on ensuring that
all in Australia have access to ADSL that currently don't,

Makes no sense with the most remote, satellite is much more
viable for those.

and all new areas be wired with fibre,

No thanks. The cost of blocks of land is already obscenely silly.

or fibre to the pits for areas too far from the exchange

All new subdivisions have been RIMs or CMUXes for a long time now.

Would cost a hell of a lot less.

As for the cost, take the amount that it will cost to implement
this NBN, and then divide it by the number of households in AU.
The result IIRC is $4000+ per home

Yeah, completely mad.

This will probably be borrowed over 20 years
from the banksters that control our government,

Like hell they do.

and we will be stiffed with the interest on this for a generation.

Even sillier, the govt pays **** all interest rate.

All this for something that isnt needed for a more than adequate service
that the majority of AU homes and businesses have access to anyway

Anything that the current government says, you should go to the
opposite view I have never in my life seen such a useless waste of
skin as this lot.

They'll only be around for another 15 months at most.

Nothing they have done has been a success, and has just left us with debt.

Not much debt tho.

 

[Rod Speed]

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone

Bet Windsor and Katter will survive. Wilke likely will too.

They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.

They certainly want to hang on to the power they currently have for as long
as possible.

Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

I doubt they will even if they are and none of them are.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more.

Bet that's the reason the brown turd bailed out, he's not stupid.

These scum are even worse than the ALP.
Yep.

We need a result similar to QLD for this government.

And NSW too. And we'll get it, you watch.

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals,
but in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas.

That's not true in my regional area.

Makes sense really as those who are working would working so bloody
hard to pay their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,

Plenty arent, most obviously those who own their own homes.

probably don't have time to watch TV anyway,

Almost everyone does.

and certainly less and less have money to spend on such luxuries.

That's not true either. They've been spending heaps on TVs etc.

 

[Petzl]

Yes, anyone involved with Gillard and the ALP will be gone
They know it and want to hang onto the perks for as long as possible.
Be a long time before they see any again, unless they are very young.

Oh yes, Im looking forward to that even more. These scum are
even worse than the ALP. We need a result similar to QLD
for this government.

You probably will get what you wish for.
But is Abbott what you wish for?

Don't know about the capitals where there might be better deals, but
in regional areas about the only places you see lots of
PAY TV dishes or antennas is in housing commission areas. Makes
sense really as those who are working would working so bloody hard to
pay
their bills and pay down debt while they still have a job,
probably don't have time to watch TV anyway, and certainly less and
less have money to spend on such luxuries.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission area on
real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.
Try living on a dole income.
Joe Hockey thinks like you
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ons-ndis-funding/story-fn3dxiwe-1226342876031
< http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46 >
The NBN will be even cheaper and creat jobs

 

[Petzl]

Even sillier. If they were either, we wouldn't have seen the expose
of what happened in abattoirs in Indonesia for starters.

But a lot is paid for comment.
We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote
for. Has happened with both sides of the house with media backing one
or the other
Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624
< http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu >
Not that many listen to the ABC though (although I like ABC channel 24
my main station)

 

[Petzl]

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man made global
warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it)
long after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them for me as
a credible source of anything scientific, political
or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they were
basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not
impartial at all.

I think you and I are on the same track except on the NBN. Which I see
as a very big plus for Australia.

Problem is we don't have a leader. Gillard is a puppet being run by
some shady "back room boys" operation, voters have no say in who is in
control of a Labor government . The "carbon tax" was an initiation of
the "Greens" which shows Gillard has no negotiating skills (The Greens
won't vote with Abbott) No other country has it, this is a bad mistake

With the Liberals you are voting for someone who *is* in control of
his team. Trouble is you will get Abbott who is negative and not been
convincing of what he would do different. It tells me he knows nothing
about High Speed broadband or how to provide it.
Economically Abbott nor Hockey are showing even a slight clue.

With the Greens you get "Christine Milne" they are showing
surprisingly a lot of economic sense.They are showing respect for
their Leader. My problem with them is they seem to preoccupied with
gay and lesbian issues and not being practical on environmental issues

 

[Rod Speed]

You probably will get what you wish for.

Absolutely certainly will with the vote TWICE what it is for Labor.

But is Abbott what you wish for?

Leaves Juliar for dead. At least there
will be no carbon tax and no NBN either.

No greens either, you watch.

Again if you are in shit street living in a housing comission
area on real shit wages (families of these people do assist).
TV is the least cost for entertainment.

Street riots cost even less.

Try living on a dole income.

Not once the govt changes, they'll be out on their lard arses.

Joe Hockey thinks like you
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ons-ndis-funding/story-fn3dxiwe-1226342876031
< http://tinyurl.com/cqssu46 >

Great, those bums get more than those on the dole anyway.

The NBN will be even cheaper

Yep, because they will pull the plug on it first chance they get.

and creat jobs

Fantasy.

 

[Rod Speed]

But a lot is paid for comment.

Not on the ABC it aint.

We are getting the government big business is paying for "us" to vote for.

Just other other pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

Has happened with both sides of the house
with media backing one or the other

The media is completely irrelevant to who gets to govern.

That should be obvious with the NSW and QLD elections.

And will be with the next federal election in spades,
essentially because almost all of the voters believe
that what they are paying for electricity is due to the
stupid carbon tax.

Look how right Rudd was on the "Superprofits tax"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624
< http://tinyurl.com/co7lrdu >

He is completely irrelevant.

He's so stupid he couldn't even manage to
work out how to stay PM for even just one term.

Even Witless managed to do that.

Not that many listen to the ABC though

They didn't need to once the shit had hit the fan about the abottoirs in
Indonesia.

(although I like ABC channel 24 my main station)

FAR too much repetition.

I read the Just In on the ABC web site and watch the 7pm news until the
sport shows up.

 

[Rod Speed]

What on earth has Hockey got to do with this ?

He's the one who will be driving the bus when
Abbott gets run over by a semi or eaten by a shark.

Out of interest, being generous, according to these figures
that means that if 50% of the population is employed ,
(excluding children, the elderly and disabled) they will
be each paying $800 pa towards this scheme.

Sorry - that's getting a bit high for me - on top of all the other
stuff we have to pay for.

All completely academic. Juliar will be gone by the time she
proposes to start that and the coalition wont bother because
they are actually stupid enough to want a surplus even faster.

As for jobs
If we hadn't had both parties for the last 40 + going
under orders from their bankster and corporate owners
selling out our industries and services overseas,

Even sillier. There are limits on what percentage of Telstra and Qantas
can be owned outside the country.

we would have still had a lot of industry here,
Fantasy.

and therefore jobs.

Even sillier fantasy. **** all jobs in manufacturing anywhere in the world
now.

In spades with first world countrys.

Those who are left working

Which just happens to be vastly more than ever were.

wouldn't be constantly shafted with paying
the welfare and baby breeding bills either.

Even sillier.

I don't buy the "create jobs" line anymore. I have
heard it over and over since the late 1970's when the
unemployment problem first started to hit the news,

And there are vastly more in work than there were then.

and except for the duration of the early-mid 2000's credit
bubble housing fuelled boom, have never seen the real
unemployment rate drop significantly for any length of time

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

And that's with an immense immigration rate too.

You can be assured that almost all the equipment for
the NBN will be made offshore so basically no jobs there,
There will be jobs for installation, and delivery of the equipment

And that's vastly more than are involved in the manufacture of the
equipment.

but these don't really count, as they will only
be short term until the installs are complete.

Which just happens to be 10 years.

As for ongoing maintenance that is likely to be similar
cost and employment levels to the current system.

Nope.

 

[Rob]

Absolutely certainly will with the vote TWICE what it is for Labor.


Leaves Juliar for dead. At least there
will be no carbon tax and no NBN either.

No greens either, you watch.

Abbott is doing a good job in opposition mode, even though he is being
ridiculed, this will change once in government then you will see the
other side.

Street riots cost even less.


Not once the govt changes, they'll be out on their lard arses.


Great, those bums get more than those on the dole anyway.


Yep, because they will pull the plug on it first chance they get.

can't see why we had to have the NBN the telco's were slowly putting in
place fibre.

How come all of Australia is not covered by a mobile network? should
this have been a priority of the Labor government?

Fantasy.

It will take many years for value adding and manufacturing, in
Australia, to recover.

Each country to its own, we should not try to grow rice in a water
restricted country. Like many other things.

Australia has the balance wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

that was simply an agenda to help destroy small
producers, who the big guyscan then buy up for a song.

Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.

Small Farmers have been the prime target
of hate by the gov for a long long time.

Even sillier.

Cant have a public having food independence from corporation or gov.

Have fun explaining farmer's markets.

Agree on that - except the ABC constantly pushing the man
made global warming fraud, (and seems it is still pushing it)
long after it had been exposed as a fraud, has finished them
for me as a credible source of anything scientific, political
or news info.

For some time before the 2007 election and some time after they
were basically an ALP and green mouthpiece, were not impartial at all.

No news operation ever is, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

I think you and I are on the same track except on the NBN.

Clearly not on the ABC alone.

Which I see as a very big plus for Australia.

More fool you.

Problem is we don't have a leader.

The last one of those we had was completely fucking useless, Witless.

Gillard is a puppet being run by some shady "back room boys" operation,

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft
us all...

How odd that they picked a rabid lefty...

voters have no say in who is in control of a Labor government .

They don't in any govt, stupid.

The "carbon tax" was an initiation of the "Greens"

Yep, and Juliar was actually stupid enough to pander to them
on that so her pathetic excuse for a govt might last a bit longer.

which shows Gillard has no negotiating skills

The Dud couldn't even manage to 'negotiate' his own job, TWICE.

(The Greens won't vote with Abbott)

They will be completely irrelevant after the next election, you watch.

No other country has it,

That is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.

this is a bad mistake

Yep, even if we pulled the plug on all power generation entirely
it wouldn't make a scrap of difference to world temps.

With the Liberals you are voting for someone who *is* in control
of his team. Trouble is you will get Abbott who is negative and
not been convincing of what he would do different.

The voters will elect his govt in a landslide anyway, you watch.

It tells me he knows nothing about High Speed broadband

Turdbull does.

or how to provide it.

You're so stupid you havent even noticed that we already have it.

Economically Abbott nor Hockey are showing even a slight clue.

The voters will elect his govt in a landslide anyway, you watch.

With the Greens you get "Christine Milne" they
are showing surprisingly a lot of economic sense.

Like hell they are with their stupid carbon tax.

And they are completely irrelevant anyway, just
as irrelevant as the Demoprats were when the
voters flushed them where they belong too.

They are showing respect for their Leader.

Pigs arse Hanson-Young does. There's a reason that fool
Bandt is the deputy, stupid.

My problem with them is they seem to
preoccupied with gay and lesbian issues

That's because they are all poofters and lessos, stupid.

and not being practical on environmental issues

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Abbott is doing a good job in opposition mode,

Yeah, I don't mind him myself.

Bit hyper, I keep wanting to chuck a bucket
of water over him, but other than that...

Too stupid to know anything about broadband, but he has Turdbull for that.

Wouldn't want Turdbull in change of anything that
mattered, he's even more stupidly green than Juliar.

even though he is being ridiculed, this will change once in government
then you will see the other side.

Yeah, OFarrell and Kennett were rather buffons
in opposition but have both done well in govt.

Gunna be interesting to watch how Newman pans out too.

Doubt we will see Labor anywhere that matters for a generation at least.

can't see why we had to have the NBN

Yeah, it was only to bail out the Dud when no one
was actually stupid enough to tender for his FTTN.

the telco's were slowly putting in place fibre.

And the absolute vast bulk of us have very
decent broadband available if we want it.

How come all of Australia is not covered by a mobile network?

Its cheaper to do the worst of it with satellite.

should this have been a priority of the Labor government?

Didn't need to be, all the places where it makes any economic
sense already have it.

It will take many years for value adding and manufacturing, in Australia,
to recover.

I doubt manufacturing ever will. And its **** all of
the GDP in any modern first world country anyway.

Each country to its own, we should not try to grow rice in a water
restricted country.

It isnt water restricted most of the time.

In spades with the Ord etc.

Like many other things.

Australia has the balance wrong.

Its managed a hell of a lot better than anywhere else.

We didn't even get a recession with the complete
implosion of the entire world financial system, again.

That's one hell of a result and a hell of a lot better
than we managed the last time that happened.

 

[Rod Speed]

That is true,

Nope, most obviously with the ABC.

but about the NBN, Why ?

Because he wants a better broadband than he
currently has and he wants everyone else to
pay for it. He wont be paying for it himself.

Remember at over $4000 per person, (no doubt will
blow out much more) its also very expensive to set up.

Another very big concern is that something like this under
government control can easily be designed and optomised
to censor content, and also to track what websites ever
person visits, who they chat with and so on.

That wont happen.

Conroy would jump at something like this.

He's completely irrelevant in at most 15 months.

This is a very serious matter

Nope. You will always be free to use wireless if you
don't want the govt perving at what you are doing.
You can do that completely anonymously that way.

New Zealand brought it with Key (like LNP type side of politics)
and it was much lower than here. It killed the economy and
stirred outrage so much they had to then slash it by 50%

But were too stupid to pull the plug on it completely.

 

[Petzl]

That is true,

but about the NBN, Why ?
Remember at over $4000 per person, (no doubt will blow out much more)
its also very expensive to set up.

Another very big concern is that something like this under government
control
can easily be designed and optomised to censor content, and also to
track
what websites ever person visits, who they chat with and so on. Conroy
would jump at
something like this. This is a very serious matter

1st Rudd Labor under the stimulus plan was to fund the NBN with a
"SuperProfits" tax, the intention was to remove the $7 billion a year
of subsidies from the *BIG* miners while providing subsidies for the
small developing miners. The following is a good explanation
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624
Gillard Labor have stuffed everything up economically and just don't
have a clue looks like they are running on spin this budget being
fudged and the next budget will be due after election in September
2013 (the guaranteed surplus year) Again a good explanation follows
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3493350.htm

New Zealand brought it with Key (like LNP type side of politics) and
it was much lower
than here. It killed the economy and stirred outrage so much they had
to then slash it by 50%

Yeah again a big stuff-up and NZ has to pay billions of dollars under
the Kyoto protocal to Russia who are the top 10 polluters. NZ has
withdrawn from it (AFAIK)

We have MUCH bigger problems in this country than internet service and
they have to be dealt with first and fast.

Turnbull has invested millions on the NBN being successful. Abbott is
jus being obscene. I don't believe him and so far he's not shown a
clue to bring Australia to recovery (not that Gillard is either)

 

[Rod Speed]

1st Rudd Labor under the stimulus plan was
to fund the NBN with a "SuperProfits" tax,

That is a bare faced lie/complete rewriting of the history.

The Dud proposed his stupid FTTN scheme in the election
campaign, BEFORE THE 2008 CRASH HAD EVER HAPPENED.

When he discovered that no one was actually stupid enough to
actually tender for his stupid FTTN scheme, he THEN went for
the NBN when the FTTN scheme was flat on its face in the mud.

There was NEVER any proposal to pay for the NBN with the
super profits tax which actually came MUCH later, as a result
of the enquiry into the entire tax system except the GST by
that fool Ken Henry.

the intention was to remove the $7 billion
a year of subsidies from the *BIG* miners

There was never any such thing.

while providing subsidies for the small developing miners.

Even sillier.

The following is a good explanation
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-01/mining-tax-makes-good-sense/3981624

Which says nothing like your bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Gillard Labor have stuffed everything up economically

The Dud did in spades with his stupid pissing of billions of our
bucks against the wall on stupid stuff we never needed like
stupid insulation schemes that killed a number of people
and set fire to a number of houses, and the stupid primary
school hall schemes and the handouts that few were stupid
enough to spend because they werent sure how long they
would have their current jobs for.

and just don't have a clue looks like they are running on spin

Govts always do. In spades with minority govts, stupid.

this budget being fudged and the next budget will be due
after election in September 2013 (the guaranteed surplus year)
Again a good explanation follows
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3493350.htm

Which again says nothing like your mindless silly stuff.

Yeah again a big stuff-up and NZ has to pay billions of dollars
under the Kyoto protocal to Russia who are the top 10 polluters.

That is another bare faced pig ignorant lie. No one has to pay
anything under Kyoto.

NZ has withdrawn from it (AFAIK)

Wrong, as always.

Turnbull has invested millions on the NBN being successful.

Pigs arse he has. And if he had, he will lose it, you watch.

Abbott is jus being obscene.

Like it or lump it.

I don't believe him and so far he's not shown a clue
to bring Australia to recovery (not that Gillard is either)

No 'recovery' is needed, we didn't even get a recession, stupid.

 

[Petzl]

That is another bare faced pig ignorant lie. No one has to pay
anything under Kyoto.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3843253/Taxpayers-face-1b-Kyoto-liability-authors
or < http://tinyurl.com/322tjvu >

 

[Rod Speed]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3843253/Taxpayers-face-1b-Kyoto-liability-authors
or < http://tinyurl.com/322tjvu >

Just because some stupid journo claims something, doesn't make it gospel,
stupid.

 

[Petzl]

Just because some stupid journo claims something, doesn't make it gospel,
stupid.

Not only journo's
Were speaking to a freind who invested in "Farm Forestry" where they
plant say 40 rows of trees (Radiata Pine) each side of fence line. In
15 to 20 years they finally havest those trees (then replant). Under
the "Kyoto Protocol" the deal becomes uneconomic because of "Carbon"
taxes. NZ has since quit that stupid agreement.

 

[Rod Speed]

Not only journo's

It the journo utterly mangling the real story.

Were speaking to a freind who invested in "Farm Forestry" where
they plant say 40 rows of trees (Radiata Pine) each side of fence
line. In 15 to 20 years they finally havest those trees (then replant).
Under the "Kyoto Protocol" the deal becomes uneconomic because
of "Carbon" taxes. NZ has since quit that stupid agreement.

So they don't have to pay anyone anything, stupid.