Unique Material Search, RF energy

[Doyle]

I am looking for a material that either glows or changes color in the
presence of RF energy. I have found nothing so far so any help at this
point would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Doyle

 

[Bob Myers]

I am looking for a material that either glows or changes color in the
presence of RF energy. I have found nothing so far so any help at this
point would be appreciated.

Can you be a little more specific? Do you need a solid, a
liquid, or a gas? How much RF?

For instance, a standard neon lamp (the NE-2 variety) has
very commonly been used to check for the presence of RF
around various HF transmitter bits...

Bob M.

 

[Roger Gt]

: I am looking for a material that either glows or changes color
in the
: presence of RF energy. I have found nothing so far so any help
at this
: point would be appreciated.
:
: Thanks,
: Doyle

Ordinary Florescent lames work, as do Neon lamps.
The fluorescents are more impressive.

I've used them to show standing waves on an antenna.
Like a magic wand the brightness varies with the signal strength.

The external envelope is glass so there is no possibility of a
shock. You can hold the tube in your hand.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

I am looking for a material that either glows or changes color in the
presence of RF energy. I have found nothing so far so any help at this
point would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Doyle

------------
Flourescent tube glows. If you need it smaller, pump out a tiny tube
after painting inside it with the rare earths white stuff from a
white fluoro tube.

-Steve

 

[Jerry G.]

Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is strong enough. The only
problem is that if the energy is strong enough to make something like this
glow, there may be speculation about the health concerns to people and
animals in the area of this emission.

--

Jerry G.
==========================


I am looking for a material that either glows or changes color in the
presence of RF energy. I have found nothing so far so any help at this
point would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Doyle

 

[Roger Gt]

: Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is strong
enough. The only
: problem is that if the energy is strong enough to make something
like this
: glow, there may be speculation about the health concerns to
people and
: animals in the area of this emission.
:

NOT really. Fear monger at work. Brief exposure is never a
problem at the low levels required to get a lamp to glow. I use a
18 watt tube, and it glows nicely with a transmitter with a 3 watt
output. NBD

 

[Mjolinor]

: Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is strong
enough. The only
: problem is that if the energy is strong enough to make something
like this
: glow, there may be speculation about the health concerns to
people and
: animals in the area of this emission.
:

NOT really. Fear monger at work. Brief exposure is never a
problem at the low levels required to get a lamp to glow. I use a
18 watt tube, and it glows nicely with a transmitter with a 3 watt
output. NBD

Bettrer to warn and be wrong that not warn and be right.

When we have got 20 or so generations of people exposed to greater than
background RF then I will believe it does no harm but until then, at least
for me, it is not proven to do no damage.

 

[Roger Gt]

:
: : >
: > : > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is strong
: > enough. The only
: > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough to make
something
: > like this
: > : glow, there may be speculation about the health concerns to
: > people and
: > : animals in the area of this emission.
: > :
: >
: > NOT really. Fear monger at work. Brief exposure is never a
: > problem at the low levels required to get a lamp to glow. I
use a
: > 18 watt tube, and it glows nicely with a transmitter with a 3
watt
: > output. NBD
: >
: >
:
: Bettrer to warn and be wrong that not warn and be right.
:
: When we have got 20 or so generations of people exposed to
greater than
: background RF then I will believe it does no harm but until
then, at least
: for me, it is not proven to do no damage.
:
Well la ti da! So you should hide in a deep hole.

 

[Bob Myers]

Bettrer to warn and be wrong that not warn and be right.

Not always; for instance, if your warning causes undue
concern, and THAT results injury or has other undesirable
consequences, then your warning could actually turn out
to do more harm than good.

What's best, of course, is that a warning, if any, comes
from someone who's reasonably sure that they're right.

When we have got 20 or so generations of people exposed to greater than
background RF then I will believe it does no harm but until then, at least
for me, it is not proven to do no damage.

It's awfully hard to prove a negative - not impossible, as
some mistakenly claim, but generally pretty difficult. The
problem in this particular case is that there already IS a good
deal of experience with people in fairly high-intensity RF
fields, and little or nothing in the way of evidence of a problem
(unless, of course, the intensity/frequency is sufficient to cause
damage through heating). RF radiation isn't ionizing, and to
date NOTHING has been proposed as a mechanism through
which any non-heating-related health problems could occur.

Bob M.

 

[Mjolinor]

Just out of curiousity, what mechanism do you suggest that would cause
the damage you are warning against?

Robert

Is this addressed to me? I wasn't aware that I was warning against any.

 

[Roger Gt]

"Mjolinor" wrote
: "R Adsett" wrote
: > mjolinor wrote
: > > "Roger Gt" wrote
: > > > "Jerry G." wrote

: > > > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is
strong
: > > > enough. The only
: > > > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough to make
something
: > > > like this
: > > > : glow, there may be speculation about the health concerns
to
: > > > people and
: > > > : animals in the area of this emission.

It was intended to "Jerry G." who seems to think it is dangerous
to breath the air!

 

[Clarence]

: > : > > > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF is
: > strong
: > : > > > enough. The only
: > : > > > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough to
make
: > something
: > : > > > like this
: > : > > > : glow, there may be speculation about the health
concerns
: > to
: > : > > > people and
: > : > > > : animals in the area of this emission.
: >
: > It was intended to "Jerry G." who seems to think it is
dangerous
: > to breath the air!
: Mostly, but since the suggestion was raised (maybe half in
jest?) that 20
: generations would need to pass w/o effect before considering
higher than
: background safe I was curious as to what sort of effect was
envisioned
: that would not be visible until nearly that length of time had
passed.
: Robert

Good Point, what would create damage that would not show up for so
long?

 

[Mjolinor]

Mostly, but since the suggestion was raised (maybe half in jest?) that 20
generations would need to pass w/o effect before considering higher than
background safe I was curious as to what sort of effect was envisioned
that would not be visible until nearly that length of time had passed.

Robert

Well I suppose if we knew that then we could probably try to ascertain the
effect now. It's just an unknown. What bothers me is the fact that I can
"feel" a GSM phone transmit. Anything that affects me in that way can't be
good I don't think. I just reserve judgement until it's proven one way or
the other and as no-one has detected any conclusive proof I guess it will be
a long time.

Maybe we have actually just discovered a 6th sense, sight, touch, hearing,
smell, taste and mobile phone detection. Makes you wonder why we would
evolve with mobil;e phone detection built in.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine radio waves in the same bracket
as the work the Curie's were doing. We know how to make them and use them
but we don't really know what they are.

 

[Clarence]

:
:
: > In article <[email protected]>,
: > [email protected] says...
: > >
: > > "Mjolinor" wrote
: > > : "R Adsett" wrote
: > > : > mjolinor wrote
: > > : > > "Roger Gt" wrote
: > > : > > > "Jerry G." wrote
: > >
: > > : > > > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF
is
: > > strong
: > > : > > > enough. The only
: > > : > > > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough to
make
: > > something
: > > : > > > like this
: > > : > > > : glow, there may be speculation about the health
concerns
: > > to
: > > : > > > people and
: > > : > > > : animals in the area of this emission.
: > >
: > > It was intended to "Jerry G." who seems to think it is
dangerous
: > > to breath the air!
: > Mostly, but since the suggestion was raised (maybe half in
jest?) that 20
: > generations would need to pass w/o effect before considering
higher than
: > background safe I was curious as to what sort of effect was
envisioned
: > that would not be visible until nearly that length of time had
passed.
: >
: > Robert
:
: Well I suppose if we knew that then we could probably try to
ascertain the
: effect now. It's just an unknown. What bothers me is the fact
that I can
: "feel" a GSM phone transmit. Anything that affects me in that
way can't be
: good I don't think. I just reserve judgement until it's proven
one way or
: the other and as no-one has detected any conclusive proof I
guess it will be
: a long time.
:
: Maybe we have actually just discovered a 6th sense, sight,
touch, hearing,
: smell, taste and mobile phone detection. Makes you wonder why we
would
: evolve with mobil;e phone detection built in.
:
: It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine radio waves in the
same bracket
: as the work the Curie's were doing. We know how to make them and
use them
: but we don't really know what they are.

See a doctor if you feel anything at all.
I've worked with radio for many years, I can't feel it and it has
never harmed anyone I know. (Lots of Ham radio people have almost
constant exposure and no effect.)

There is far too little energy to cause any sensation from a Cell
phone of any protocol. The battery should give you a greater
sensation if you put your Finger on the terminals than the Radio
Frequency energy. UV from the sun does more damage than any cell
phone.

There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level RF
from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.

 

[Mjolinor]

:
:
: > In article <[email protected]>,
: > [email protected] says...
: > >
: > > "Mjolinor" wrote
: > > : "R Adsett" wrote
: > > : > mjolinor wrote
: > > : > > "Roger Gt" wrote
: > > : > > > "Jerry G." wrote
: > >
: > > : > > > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the RF
is
: > > strong
: > > : > > > enough. The only
: > > : > > > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough to
make
: > > something
: > > : > > > like this
: > > : > > > : glow, there may be speculation about the health
concerns
: > > to
: > > : > > > people and
: > > : > > > : animals in the area of this emission.
: > >
: > > It was intended to "Jerry G." who seems to think it is
dangerous
: > > to breath the air!
: > Mostly, but since the suggestion was raised (maybe half in
jest?) that 20
: > generations would need to pass w/o effect before considering
higher than
: > background safe I was curious as to what sort of effect was
envisioned
: > that would not be visible until nearly that length of time had
passed.
: >
: > Robert
:
: Well I suppose if we knew that then we could probably try to
ascertain the
: effect now. It's just an unknown. What bothers me is the fact
that I can
: "feel" a GSM phone transmit. Anything that affects me in that
way can't be
: good I don't think. I just reserve judgement until it's proven
one way or
: the other and as no-one has detected any conclusive proof I
guess it will be
: a long time.
:
: Maybe we have actually just discovered a 6th sense, sight,
touch, hearing,
: smell, taste and mobile phone detection. Makes you wonder why we
would
: evolve with mobil;e phone detection built in.
:
: It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine radio waves in the
same bracket
: as the work the Curie's were doing. We know how to make them and
use them
: but we don't really know what they are.

See a doctor if you feel anything at all.
I've worked with radio for many years, I can't feel it and it has
never harmed anyone I know. (Lots of Ham radio people have almost
constant exposure and no effect.)

There is far too little energy to cause any sensation from a Cell
phone of any protocol. The battery should give you a greater
sensation if you put your Finger on the terminals than the Radio
Frequency energy. UV from the sun does more damage than any cell
phone.

There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level RF
from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.

It's fairly easy to prove, try it yourself. To make it fair you need someone
to come close to you with some phones, one of which has a call on it and you
will be suprised how many of you can allways tell which phone is active.

I can tell from about 2 feet but I do have friends who can do it from 6 ft
or more.

 

[Mjolinor]

There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level RF
from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.

I thought I had already said that.

 

[Clarence]

:
: : >
: > : > :
message
: > :
: >
: > : > In article
: > : > [email protected] says...
: > : > >
: > : > > "Mjolinor" wrote
: > : > > : "R Adsett" wrote
: > : > > : > mjolinor wrote
: > : > > : > > "Roger Gt" wrote
: > : > > : > > > "Jerry G." wrote
: > : > >
: > : > > : > > > : Florescent or neon type tubes will glow if the
RF
: > is
: > : > > strong
: > : > > : > > > enough. The only
: > : > > : > > > : problem is that if the energy is strong enough
to
: > make
: > : > > something
: > : > > : > > > like this
: > : > > : > > > : glow, there may be speculation about the
health
: > concerns
: > : > > to
: > : > > : > > > people and
: > : > > : > > > : animals in the area of this emission.
: > : > >
: > : > > It was intended to "Jerry G." who seems to think it is
: > dangerous
: > : > > to breath the air!
: > : > Mostly, but since the suggestion was raised (maybe half in
: > jest?) that 20
: > : > generations would need to pass w/o effect before
considering
: > higher than
: > : > background safe I was curious as to what sort of effect
was
: > envisioned
: > : > that would not be visible until nearly that length of time
had
: > passed.
: > : >
: > : > Robert
: > :
: > : Well I suppose if we knew that then we could probably try to
: > ascertain the
: > : effect now. It's just an unknown. What bothers me is the
fact
: > that I can
: > : "feel" a GSM phone transmit. Anything that affects me in
that
: > way can't be
: > : good I don't think. I just reserve judgement until it's
proven
: > one way or
: > : the other and as no-one has detected any conclusive proof I
: > guess it will be
: > : a long time.
: > :
: > : Maybe we have actually just discovered a 6th sense, sight,
: > touch, hearing,
: > : smell, taste and mobile phone detection. Makes you wonder
why we
: > would
: > : evolve with mobil;e phone detection built in.
: > :
: > : It doesn't take a lot of effort to imagine radio waves in
the
: > same bracket
: > : as the work the Curie's were doing. We know how to make them
and
: > use them
: > : but we don't really know what they are.
: >
: > See a doctor if you feel anything at all.
: > I've worked with radio for many years, I can't feel it and it
has
: > never harmed anyone I know. (Lots of Ham radio people have
almost
: > constant exposure and no effect.)
: >
: > There is far too little energy to cause any sensation from a
Cell
: > phone of any protocol. The battery should give you a greater
: > sensation if you put your Finger on the terminals than the
Radio
: > Frequency energy. UV from the sun does more damage than any
cell
: > phone.
: >
: > There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level
RF
: > from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.
:
: It's fairly easy to prove, try it yourself. To make it fair you
need someone
: to come close to you with some phones, one of which has a call
on it and you
: will be suprised how many of you can allways tell which phone is
active.
:
: I can tell from about 2 feet but I do have friends who can do it
from 6 ft
: or more.

No one I know can feel a telephone signal, you have some strange
friends. I can see when they hold it to their ear though.

BTW: What has this to do with getting a material to show the
presance of RF?

 

[Clarence]

:
:
: > There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level
RF
: > from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.
: >
: >
:
: I thought I had already said that.
:
I thought you implied the data was incomplete.

 

[Mjolinor]

:
:
: > There is NO proof that there is any harm done by the low level
RF
: > from Cell phone. THAT has been proven.
: >
: >
:
: I thought I had already said that.
:
I thought you implied the data was incomplete.

? Confusing me now. The data is incomplete and can never be any other way.
All that happens is that as time goes on then the chance of "no harm" being
correct increases, it is never proven.

The statement above says :-
It has been proven that there is no proof that any harm is done by RF
emmissions from a cell phone.

or, another way:-
As yet it has not been proven whether or not harm is done by radio
emmissions from cell phones.

 

[Mjolinor]

: It's fairly easy to prove, try it yourself. To make it fair you
need someone
: to come close to you with some phones, one of which has a call
on it and you
: will be suprised how many of you can allways tell which phone is
active.
:
: I can tell from about 2 feet but I do have friends who can do it
from 6 ft
: or more.

No one I know can feel a telephone signal, you have some strange
friends. I can see when they hold it to their ear though.

Have you tried it? I think that at least half the people that read this
group will be supriosed by the outcome of an unbiased test as outlined.

I do have soem strange friends, I'll grant you that. I am the only normal
person I know.

BTW: What has this to do with getting a material to show the
presence of RF?

Nothing, aren't newsgroups wonderful.