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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Dave Partridge, Aug 24, 2004.

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  1. Hi all, I`m after input from anyone knowledgeable on the many types of
    wireless alarm systems fitted in the UK to help me with content on a new
    wireless section on my site, content would include items such as wireless
    pro`s & cons, and possibly equipment rankings and comparisons with the
    Powermax, Infinite, Honeywell Domonial, Scantronic & Menvier models that are
    available.

    My site is funded by myself, so unfortunately I can offer only my thanks and
    a mention with any submitted material I use, but if you feel you can help me
    out that would be great.
     
  2. Just read all those posts concerning wireless alarm systems. Is this also
    true for all UK & EU systems that comply with BS EN 50131 and any Class 6
    alarm equipment..?
     
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    No doubts.

    You are in doubt, test them (see my post number 16) and find-out by
    yourself.

    Paul (Belgium)
     
  4. Sorry Paul, but I cant base my entire review on the rantings of 1
    individual, what equipment are you basing your comments on..? I want the big
    picture. I have fitted Class 6 equipment in the UK and never encountered any
    major problems, and I`ve fitted a few of the new Domonial systems, which are
    supposed to be a new breed of wireless equipment. Getting some good reviews
    over here.

    Thanks to those who have emailed me replies.
     
  5. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Then there's hope for you... :))

    Here's the equipment Paul purchased:

    http://www.eclats-antivols.fr/modules.php?name=Boutique&itm_ref=1845


    In that case, you don't want Paul's advice or direction...
     
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    That's logical, just one question, WHY did nobody mention the Radio
    Frequency Interference (RFI) problem before i did first?
    RFI is a well known problem in the wireless industry, do you really
    think that wireless alarm systems are an exception?
    Of course, RFI is not warned, the owner nor the monitoring station
    know of it.
    Just look if they are credible and not business gain influenced like
    YOU i understand correctly.

    You like to be honest?
    The ballgamer is up to you but don't do like the "low level
    electricians" contact manufacturers and ask them to provide
    specification on theyre wireless loop, that simple.
    I'm curious to read those..

    Paul
     
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    Dave, do YOU like to be honest?
    I have had second thought about your remark..

    Dave, why are wireless alarm systems escaping from radio frequency
    transmission interferences (RFI) problems generated form the outside?

    Please Dave, read my previous posts, they seems alike but aren't in
    fact, please read them and make your constructive comments if you
    like, I'm ready to replay.

    Please Dave ask manufacturers to come forward and mention the warranty
    they provide about RFI.

    Paul
     
  8. You`ve gotto be kidding me, it looks like its out the ark. Surely his whole
    gripe with wireless is founded by the use of that contraption..?
     
  9. "That's logical, just one question, WHY did nobody mention the Radio
    Frequency Interference (RFI) problem before I did first? RFI is a well known
    problem in the wireless industry, do you really think that wireless alarm
    systems are an exception?"
    Paul, I probably know more about RFI than yourself, I`ve been a radio user
    for the last 25 years, and a ham for the last 12. No I don't think that
    wireless alarm systems are immune to RFI, I just doubt that they are quite
    as susceptible as your remarks imply.

    "Of course, RFI is not warned, the owner nor the monitoring station know of
    it."
    Now on that count I know to at least one panel which would prove you wrong,
    You havn`t replied with any models of system or given any proof to your
    claims other than your own experience with 1 alarm system..?

    "Just look if they are credible and not business gain influenced like YOU I
    understand correctly"
    No you don't understand at all, your just jumping to conclusions which makes
    me wonder if you`ve done the same regarding wireless systems, have you had
    one bad experience and so decided all wireless systems are the same..?
    Take a look at my website, I`m not selling anything and don`t make a penny
    from my site, I`m just a lowly Alarm Service Engineer who`s trying to create
    a good resource site for anyone owning, buying an alarm system.

    Dave Partridge
    www.TheSecurityInstaller.co.uk

    UK Security Resource
     
  10. "why are wireless alarm systems escaping from radio frequency transmission
    interferences (RFI) problems generated form the outside?"

    I didn`t say they weren`t, I admit that RFI could interfere and disrupt
    reception of transmition devices if another more powerful transmission on
    the same frequency was nearby.

    Do you know anything about class 6 UK wireless systems..? If not don't reply
    any further.
     
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    If you know a little bit about wireless Dave you should know about RFI
    and the bad consequences

    OR

    is the whole a ball game you play together with Frank and a predefined
    setup sometimes?
    Good attempt but it fails unless YOU can say why my previous posts
    are in error.

    Paul
     
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    Poor Dave, yes i know class 6 UK wireless systems certification
    procedures.

    Just explain why they are better than the CE certification
    requirements..

    Paul
     
  13. I don`t know anyone called Frank..?

    And how can you say that your posts are NOT in error when you can provide no
    proof that they aren`t..?

    I am not saying that RFI doesn`t exist, but the way you rant on about how
    susceptible this equipment is truly pathetic, especially in this age of DSP,
    and detectors that communicate digitally with the control equipment.

    I cannot disprove your own personal claims regarding your experiences with
    wireless alarm equipment, but if your basing your entire discussion on your
    bad experience with the panel above, then I think its quite laughable and
    your argument is un realistic.
     
  14. UK Class 6 Equipment.

    All detectors are monitored by the main control panel, which at the same
    time inspects RSS from each device to ensure it matches, if not it
    communicates with the device and tells it to alter frequency up/down 25Kc`s,
    and then checks to ensure that the device its communicating with bears the
    correct digital signature. If not the control panel CAN if setup to do so
    communicate with the central station forewarning of a possible jamming
    attempt. It will at least inform the client of any communication failure.
     
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    OK, i got it, play the game with Frank not with me.
    End of pissing contest.

    Paul
     
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    When there is RFI nothing can be decoded, and switching 25KHz is pure
    idiocy for signal recognition.
    Its intended for normal operation propagation node problems.

    Pissing contest is over, you are the winner with the highest...
    Mouthpower.

    Paul
     
  17. Why are you soo upset..? and why assume there`s been a pissing contest. You
    started this with your spamming of the newsgroup and replying to MY post,
    but seeing as you have again replied with nonsense, ill reply with a fact.

    "YOU HAVN`T GOT A CLUE"

    I came and asked a simple question, and you tried to outwit me with
    bullshit, sorry but your a fool to believe in all the that garbage you keep
    posting. I`d suggest you do some serious homework on the subject of digital
    transmissions and RFI, and try to get your facts straight.


    Dave Partridge
    www.TheSecurityInstaller.co.uk
     
  18. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    I figured Paul's "character" would manifest itself sufficiently for you to
    formulate your own opinion of his "expertise" (I notice he didn't disappoint
    you). Any doubts you had about the validity of his arguments should be laid
    to rest after reading this:


    Excerpt from
    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1:

    1- At the age of 14, your school recommended that you receive a
    psychological exam after you were accused of asking girls for a sample of
    their feces.

    2- When you were applying for a position with the Communication Directorate,
    your written test only had 8 correct answers out of 100, the lowest score
    ever recorded. Even wannabe engineers scored at least 20 right. You made
    challenges based on assumptions that had no basis in electronics.

    3- You were twice arrested in France (1998) & (2001) for indecent acts You
    were warned and released in the 1998 after you made a solicitation for sex
    to a transvestite (ref: 98-454048-G-12), and ordered to pay a fine in the
    2001 incident (ref: M01-000862-G-06) involving a male in a public restroom.
     
  19. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    That is correct, its the only system our Belgium friend has ever known, just
    call and ask him

    P Rampelbergh
    29 Heldenlaan
    1970 Wezenbeek-Oppem
    Belgium

    +32 (02) 7311850

     
  20. petem

    petem Guest

    Dave please stop feeding the troll
    he doesnt give a rant about wireless system...

    73 to you!
     
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