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I have a client with an Ademco Vista 50P Control, they want the alarm
output to turn on outdoor lighting when the alarm goes off.

im thinking, give them the siren output, then they use a High Voltage
Relay like found at Radio Shack?

Does this sound right? I really dont want anything to do with high
voltage myself, so i would turn this over to their electrician. My main
concern, is that we have major brown outs here all the time, there are
no UPS/Line Conditioners in the world that will fix our issues, trust
me I have a client with endless money that has spent most of their
money on this issue, in the same location. They do have a generator so
hopefully that will help, some ...

ThAnks

Rory
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a client with an Ademco Vista 50P Control, they want the alarm
output to turn on outdoor lighting when the alarm goes off.

im thinking, give them the siren output, then they use a High Voltage
Relay like found at Radio Shack?

Does this sound right? I really dont want anything to do with high
voltage myself, so i would turn this over to their electrician. My main
concern, is that we have major brown outs here all the time, there are
no UPS/Line Conditioners in the world that will fix our issues, trust
me I have a client with endless money that has spent most of their
money on this issue, in the same location. They do have a generator so
hopefully that will help, some ...


You could use a low voltage "ice-cube" relay to trip a high voltage
contactor. That's something we had to do when we were called in to replace
an old Mirtone 790 fire alarm system. The relays on the old system were all
rated at 120VAC and 5 Amps, but the new panel would only switch a maximum of
24 VAC. In your case, the Ademco relay modules

http://www.ademco.com/ademco/products/expansion_accessories/4101SN.htm

http://www.ademco.com/ademco/products/expansion_accessories/4204.htm

would both work with your Vista 50 although I'd opt for the 4204 because it
allows you to control up to four relay outputs.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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You could use a low voltage "ice-cube" relay to trip a high voltage
contactor. That's something we had to do when we were called in to
replace an old Mirtone 790 fire alarm system. The relays on the old
system were all rated at 120VAC and 5 Amps, but the new panel would only
switch a maximum of 24 VAC. In your case, the Ademco relay modules

There you go again making up stories of installations you never did.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
There you go again making up stories of installations you never did.


Grammar, Robert... grammar.
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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I agree with Frank Rory. Altronix makes a 12 vdc coil relay that will trip
up to 20 amps. If you need something with a higher current rating, GE makes
some nice cheap lighting contactors. I used one that would throw up to 50
amps, and cost around $68. The coil on most contactors are 120 vac, so it's
use a relay to trip a relay. I'm not sure if you can control the relay
manually through the keypad with Ademco, like you can with DMP though....

Jack
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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jackcsg said:
I'm not sure if you can control the relay
manually through the keypad with Ademco, like you can with DMP though....

If he uses either of the Ademco relays I mentioned he can.
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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On 12 Dec 2004 22:22:15 -0800 "[email protected]"
used 18 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
I have a client with an Ademco Vista 50P Control, they want the alarm
output to turn on outdoor lighting when the alarm goes off.

im thinking, give them the siren output, then they use a High Voltage
Relay like found at Radio Shack?

Does this sound right? I really dont want anything to do with high
voltage myself, so i would turn this over to their electrician. My main
concern, is that we have major brown outs here all the time, there are
no UPS/Line Conditioners in the world that will fix our issues, trust
me I have a client with endless money that has spent most of their
money on this issue, in the same location. They do have a generator so
hopefully that will help, some ...


Why not use the Panel's X-10 capability?
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex said:
Seek out someone in the HVAC (air conditioning) trade. They have relays that
have 12volt DC coils with very small milliamp current consuption coils and with
contacts that will switch anywhere up to 100 amps. This way you just have to
switch the 12vdc from the panel going directly to the power relay coil. In the
states you might run into some code problems, but you say that it's not much
of an issue where you are.
Just keep the power relay in a seperate box, fuse the 12vcd with a fuse rated
no more than double the relay coil current requirements and ground everything
Jim
Absolutely, make sure your high voltage relays are in a separate can from
your low voltage, and mark the high voltage can.

Jack
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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relays on scheds...yep very cool.

I've done lawn sprinklers on DMP too..you can even trip them on alarm and
get the purp wet.


I used to put a low current relay off the aremed LED of a 279 IZC
(Radionic's) for the County School Rec department to turn on lights. The
director of security thought I was nuts, but before the days of the 7, and
9000 panels....I did about 40 schools this way.

I also did a Night Club in western Missouri and controlled ALL exterior
lights, signage, and even kicked house lights on, and the music off, if the
fire alarm went off. 22 circuits total off an XR-200/485.

Rob, have you ever heard of the National Guards De-Lite program?

Jack
 
Hi, no X-10 doesnt work well here, Sometimes they work, sometimes they
dont, as far as Cameras go anyway. Someone had me and another tech
before me, try to get some X10 cameras working for them, one camera
works, the other doesnt, get the other working, that first camera stops
working. I imagine its due to the barely non existing electrical codes
we have here and bad overall wiring as well as 3rd world Utilities.
After that Ive never looked at them again :)
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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| | relays on scheds...yep very cool.
|
| I've done lawn sprinklers on DMP too..you can even trip them on alarm and
| get the purp wet.
|
|
| I used to put a low current relay off the aremed LED of a 279 IZC
| (Radionic's) for the County School Rec department to turn on lights. The
| director of security thought I was nuts, but before the days of the 7, and
| 9000 panels....I did about 40 schools this way.
|
| I also did a Night Club in western Missouri and controlled ALL exterior
| lights, signage, and even kicked house lights on, and the music off, if
the
| fire alarm went off. 22 circuits total off an XR-200/485.

Cool...I love the 485...probably gonna be disc. with the 500 out now..have
you done a 500 yet? I haven't.

No I haven't actually installed one yet. I like to wait a while to see what
happens. Remember the growing pains of the 200/485...

| Rob, have you ever heard of the National Guards De-Lite program?
No, what is it?

It's basically securing outdoor assets with perimeter protection, using
outdoor motions (ProTech's), camera's, and 500 watt quartz lights for night
operations. Using 716's to trip the lights, and alarm the mux (Video
Recorder), and spinning unitized cameras around to alarm positions. DMP is
the best panel I know of for this application. The Guard loves the yukiplex
(Europlex) panel for this too.

I used fiber optic's for a DMP install, and controlled a gate one mile away
from the control panel. I used a ground probe to trip a light at the gate to
kick on a 500 watt quartz light, put the camera system in alarm, and chime
the keypad when a vehicle approached the gate. I love the control with that
DMP panel....nothing else compares.

Jack
 
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jackcsg

Jan 1, 1970
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Alarminex said:
Does that have something to do with bringing women into the barracks after
hours, for the troops?
Jim
In Military terms, it means Demand Lighting. In civilian terms Delight is
often found at a strip club. But you could probably find it in the way you
described. Jim we never brought women into the barracks after hours, got
them drunk and had casual sex with them when I was in the Navy. It must have
been different when you were in....

Jack
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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All I can say is ............ Did you ever have sex with a woman in a
dumpster?


Is *this* what they mean with the phrase "dumpster diving"?? :))
 
yep, i see some dangerous stuff here all the time when wiring, when i
used to go in attics on an almost daily basis installing alarms, it was
pretty much watching out for exposed live high voltage the whole time,
I dont think there were many home attics that didnt have exposed live
wire. Then there is ofcourse the infamouse nails from construction but
I guess you get that everywhere ..? had those cut my head open at least
twice (still got a couple scars from that which wont go away)... Most
homes here are concrete (no sheetrock) so that makes wiring a drag
also.

Now, I get other people to do the wiring for me ... smaller people :)
Most of the time ..I got one electrician trained pretty well now and
they even snake and sometimes will mount everything for me ...

But yeah, our electric here is terrible, no enforced codes, the
government even bought second hand stuff from South America for the
main electric generator, kind of obvious why my power goes off every
week for an hour here and there, during the summer it goes off a few
times a week at least, sometimes every day, sometimes all day long,
sometimes a couple days. Plus sometimes the electric corporation staff
have these strikes and sabatage the equipment themselves which causes
island wide power outages, ... and they get away with it, some morons
actually symphasize with them ..so they let them off or dont say
anything ..!

2 words - 3rd world ... problem is too many people here think we live
in the first world ..i dont get it!! And this is only a couple minor
problems that we have, among the other major issues ..... the
outislands are nice though, once you got a generator and a bottle of
bacardi :)))

Rory
 
and just think, it was considered paradise back then, now ..... well
the outislands havent changed much, but nassau is just a ghetto, things
have changed alot for the worst. It used to at least be safer back in
the old days :) You cant go on the beach at night anymore, too
dangerous.
 
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