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stonej

Jan 1, 1970
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Another of my ideas, anyone know if this has been tried before:

A chamber is built underground in front of the bank teller or party
store checkout area.
Someone pulls a gun demanding money, clerk pushes a button and the
floor opens up
under the robber and he/she falls into a holding cell while bullet
proof glass slides over the
opening holding the person secure until police arrive.

or

Bullet proof glass rises from the floor (very quickly) at the push of a
button enclosing the would be robber in an above ground cage until
police arrive.

No, I haven't figured out the myrid logistical problems with a setup
like this, it is only
a rough idea of what might be possible.

Crazy idea or ?
 
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Jim Rojas

Jan 1, 1970
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If the robber has a chance of getting injured in anyway, your idea would not
be feasible on a legal standpoint. It's sad to say but, in today's world,
the robber has more rights than his innocent victims have. It also seems
that an innocent victim must pay to enforce their rights, while a criminal
gets theirs pro bono.

Jim Rojas
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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You got that right, Jim.
We have no rights, unless we pay to uphold them.
The criminal on the other hand, gets his legal rights,
for free.

Norm Mugford


Jim Rojas said:
If the robber has a chance of getting injured in anyway, your idea would
not be feasible on a legal standpoint. It's sad to say but, in today's
world, the robber has more rights than his innocent victims have. It also
seems that an innocent victim must pay to enforce their rights, while a
criminal gets theirs pro bono.

Jim Rojas


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stonej

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, they would probably get off on something like holding them
against their will
before their Miranda rights are read of getting nicked or scratched
falling into the cage.


I still think it is a interesting concept that is probably doable from
a technical standpoint.
Probably not feasable for all the legal impliactions involved.
 
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Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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stonej said:
Another of my ideas, anyone know if this has been tried before:

A chamber is built underground in front of the bank teller or party
store checkout area.
Someone pulls a gun demanding money, clerk pushes a button and the
floor opens up
under the robber and he/she falls into a holding cell while bullet
proof glass slides over the
opening holding the person secure until police arrive.

or

Bullet proof glass rises from the floor (very quickly) at the push of a
button enclosing the would be robber in an above ground cage until
police arrive.

No, I haven't figured out the myrid logistical problems with a setup
like this, it is only
a rough idea of what might be possible.

Crazy idea or ? <

Someone else is working on your ideas. Maybe the two of you can team
up. Anyway, allow me to intriduce you to him, and wish you the best of
luck.

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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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I was in Montreal, Quebec, Canada recently and they have
the bank built with a secure money room inside the teller area.
All monies are inside the money room and all transactions
of monies either deposited or removed must be brought
to the money room for completion. The teller in effect, does
not hold any cash in his/her drawer in the area that is accessable
by the public. If someone tries to rob the place, the money room
barriers drop in front of the transaction window. (I believe it
was bullet proof glass). The rest of the money room is built similar to
a safe.

Norm Mugford


stonej said:
Yeah, they would probably get off on something like holding them
against their will
before their Miranda rights are read of getting nicked or scratched
falling into the cage.


I still think it is a interesting concept that is probably doable from
a technical standpoint.
Probably not feasable for all the legal impliactions involved.


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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I still think it is a interesting concept that is probably doable
from a technical standpoint. Probably not feasable for all
the legal impliactions involved.

The first hurdle you'd have to overcome would be code approval. No fire marshal
would allow you to build an automated man trap in a public facility because it
could hinder an innocent person's escape in the event of a fire.

If you could ever get the concept past the inspector, I doubt you'd have much
trouble for holding an armed robber until the police arrive. Stores can legally
hold suspected shoplifters for the police without impunity in most states so
holding an armed robber shouldn't be a problem.

Mechanical problems would also need to be resolved. For example, how would one
determine from where the cage should rise? You'd have to build some sort of
lanes in front of the tellers to make certain the would-be thief is standing
precisely where you wanted him.

In the event of a false alarm, you would also have the probability of a lawsuit
from an innocent customer who was trapped or worse, struck by the rising or
falling cage.

It might be easier to accomplish this by building a man trap into the exit. If
you were to allow only enough room for one person at a time to pass through a
turnstile, perhaps you could lock the turnstile with the perp inside. One
problem with that arrangement is that there might be more than one robber
involved. If you only trap the first one, you then have a very angry, armed
accomplice inside the bank. Trap only the second one and the first guy gets
away.

There's probably a way to accomplish this though you'll have obstacles to
overcome. I've thought about a similar idea but I don't have the engineering
skills to bring it to fore.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
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stonej

Jan 1, 1970
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Mechanical problems would also need to be resolved. For example, how
would one
determine from where the cage should rise? You'd have to build some
sort of
lanes in front of the tellers to make certain the would-be thief is
standing
precisely where you wanted him.

Most robbers would probably be standing right at the teller window,
making it big enough
probably woudn't be a problem. There is the possibility that the
robber could get struck
by the fast rising glass.


In the event of a false alarm, you would also have the probability of a
lawsuit
from an innocent customer who was trapped or worse, struck by the
rising or
falling cage.

Most banks have people standing far back from the teller window waiting
their turn so they wouldn't be trapped along with the robber in the
cage. Hopefully, anyway they wouldn't.


It is all just a concept, I'm not really seriously going to pursue
this, I just thought I would
throw the idea out there to see what people thought.

I keep reading about bank robberies and I got to wondering why don't
they try something
different to deal with the situation. These are just some things I
came up with.
 
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Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Most robbers would probably be standing right at the teller window,
making it big enough probably woudn't be a problem. There is the
possibility that the robber could get struck by the fast rising glass.

If he pulls a gun and demands money, striking him with the rising glass cage
shouldn't be an issue. However, if Aunt Ida is standing there depositing her
social security check and the teller accidentally hits the button, her lawyer
will be ready for you. :^)
Most banks have people standing far back from the teller window
waiting their turn so they wouldn't be trapped along with the robber
in the cage. Hopefully, anyway they wouldn't.

That's true but you'd probably want to implement your system in such a way that
two or more people standing together at the teller would not be a problem.
It is all just a concept, I'm not really seriously going to pursue
this, I just thought I would throw the idea out there to see what
people thought.

Understood. As I mentioned earlier, I've thought about this sort of thing and
the kinds of problems that one would need to overcome. It's an interesting
idea. Bob Campbell works with physical as well as electronic security. Now
that he's back in the frozen North, perhaps he may have some ideas on the
subject.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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Okay Hans, I'll show you.... stand a rittle to your reft.... a rittle more

stonej said:
Mechanical problems would also need to be resolved. For example, how
would one
determine from where the cage should rise? You'd have to build some
sort of
lanes in front of the tellers to make certain the would-be thief is
standing
precisely where you wanted him.

Most robbers would probably be standing right at the teller window,
making it big enough
probably woudn't be a problem. There is the possibility that the
robber could get struck
by the fast rising glass.


In the event of a false alarm, you would also have the probability of a
lawsuit
from an innocent customer who was trapped or worse, struck by the
rising or
falling cage.

Most banks have people standing far back from the teller window waiting
their turn so they wouldn't be trapped along with the robber in the
cage. Hopefully, anyway they wouldn't.


It is all just a concept, I'm not really seriously going to pursue
this, I just thought I would
throw the idea out there to see what people thought.

I keep reading about bank robberies and I got to wondering why don't
they try something
different to deal with the situation. These are just some things I
came up with.


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S. Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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Ever seen the movie Fifth Element (campy Bruce Willis movie)? Remember
when the henchman bangs on the glass and guns descend while a loud
voice gives instructions. Meanwhile the teller has descended to safety.
There is your system.

Instead of a panic button, I have always liked the "last dollar"
device. Same idea here.

But in the end, no matter what kind of system you design, someone will
beat it, break it, sue the bank, sue you, and get rich off your
brilliant plan. So why try?

hmmm... I've come full circle. f*** it all!
 
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