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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Chris Carlen, Jun 9, 2006.

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  1. Chris Carlen

    Chris Carlen Guest


    I think I will just give up and start responding to emails by top
    posting like everyone else, despite the fact that on USENET it is
    tradition to bottom post.

    When I bottom post on emails (in the "corporate" world) I get told by
    people that they can't understand my formatting.

    Oh, and not to mention that my standard ASCII email program trips up
    their stupid Outlook!


    P.S. What is the view on interleaved posting? Ie, responding per
    sentence/paragraph in thick discussions?

    Good day!

    Christopher R. Carlen
    Principal Laser&Electronics Technologist
    Sandia National Laboratories CA USA

    NOTE, delete texts: "RemoveThis" and
    "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
  2. Pooh Bear

    Pooh Bear Guest

    Nothing really wrong with doing that for emails where both parties are familiar
    with the context.
    For many a good reason.

    Even better is interspersed posting where each reply is posted underneath the
    relevant item.
    I can see that.
    You must be dealing with MBAs. They have limited intellelect.

  3. Genome

    Genome Guest


    The thing they cannot cope with is that when formatted the 'correct way' the
    message makes sense.

    Even worse it serves to highlight any 'mistakes' they 'may' have made.

    Even even worse they have to read through all their mistakes before they get
    to your explanation and clarification of the last mistake they sent.

    E-mails in the corporate world are not for transmission of clear
    information. It takes lawyers and lots of words, paper and money to do that
    sort of thing.

    E-mails in the corporate world are, at the most, a way of saying 'Hi there,
    thanks for networking with me, I'll network with you some more later'.

  4. mc

    mc Guest

    Oh, dear. Does Sandia Labs not have fullscreen mailreaders yet?

    On Usenet "tradition" was established very early (pre-1975 in many cases)
    and is not optimal for today.
  5. Gary Peek

    Gary Peek Guest

    Please don't. You might be responding to me some day. :)
    There are a lot of stupid people out there.
    I can't imagine doing it any other way. As long as you leave or put the
    greater than signs to the left of their stuff it is easy to read.

    If you are involving more than 2 people you can put the initials of
    the person at the top of the sentance opr paragraph.
  6. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Agreed! Outlook sucks!
    If you try to interleave responses in an Outlook E-mail you get weird
    separation bars and strange behavior when you try any editing.

    ...Jim Thompson
  7. Genome

    Genome Guest

    Click Format, Click Text..... Sometimes you might have to Click HTML again
    and then back to Text.

  8. Didi

    Didi Guest

    I think I will just give up and start responding to emails by top
    I have dealt with the issue by adopting a mixture of both.
    I insert my quotes the normal way when I want to indicate
    which sentence I am replying to and I include the entire message
    at the bottom like in todays top-posting. I began doing that some
    time after the max. 14400 capable phone line here is not the
    only option (cable etc. is now everywhere), I must admit.
    top-bottom posting combines the advantages of the
    two approaches - provides the complete context for someone
    seeing one message only, and makes the reply comprehensible.
    It takes a negligible amount of bandwidth more if you are not
    on a very slow phone line. The worst about it is that archiving
    such mesages (if everybody has been doing the top-bottom posting)
    will take much more space, but disk space is not so scarce
    I am replying in such detail because I am not quite
    sure myself about my adopted method, I'd be curious to get
    some thoughs on that.

  9. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    I'm not seeing that function in Eudora.

    ...Jim Thompson
  10. Pooh Bear

    Pooh Bear Guest

    It's best practice.
    So much better is available ! I use Netscape 4.8 for heaven's sake since it's
    hard to beat. Why change ? I've seen / tried others and not been much impressed.

  11. Pooh Bear

    Pooh Bear Guest

    Genome wrote
    That already tells me enought to know I shouldn't use it !

  12. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    I use Eudora Pro v3.0.5. How's that for aged software ?;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
  13. mc

    mc Guest

    I like it. I, too, alternate between top, bottom, and interleaved posting
    as the situation seems to require.

    I am not going to cater for people who are still running 1978 UNIX on 1975
    DECwriters instead of computers with full-screen threaded news reading. (Or
    who pretend they are.) The fact is, some replies are best interleaved; I
    view bottom posting (which I'm doing right now) as a special case of
    interleaving; but if the reply is short and snappy and doesn't require much
    context, why not give it right at the top?

    The one argument I won't buy is, "It's Tradition." This is high technology,
    folks, not Ye Olde Curiosity Shoppe! We should always be ready to adapt our
    techniques to the changing situation.

    I find it funny that, at age 48, I have to spend so much time telling people
    20 years younger than me to move with the times. Among computerniks there
    is tremendous nostalgia for 1975-1985, the period when geeks were viewed as
  14. Pooh Bear

    Pooh Bear Guest

    Hard to comment since I've only ever heard of it by repute.

    I recall using Mosaic when I first trawled the net and getting excited over the beta
    releases of Netscape 2 ! Does anyone recall when that was ? I'm thinking around

  15. Roy L. Fuchs

    Roy L. Fuchs Guest

    **** you, you Usenet RETARD!
  16. Didi

    Didi Guest

    Thanks for the reply, I hoped I was not alone on that :).
    Same here, this is about communication, not about
    practicing religion. Nothing against those who practice
    anything as long as they don't demand that I join,
    that is.
    Well I would expect a youth like yoursef to be progressive (I am
    two years older but I guess I don't live up to the expectation
    of being a traditionalist, either...). :) :)


  17. Brian

    Brian Guest

    Roy L. Fuchs, Professional Pinhead
  18. Ian Bell

    Ian Bell Guest

    Just ignore them and do the right thing. Remember to trim their garbage and
    intersperse your replies so they can see what you are doing.

  19. Tim Williams

    Tim Williams Guest

    I email exactly like I reply everywhere else. If my comments are general or
    the parent message has a uniform subject, there's no point in selecting
    specific text nor highlighting it by replying underneath.

    (For that matter, I could top post here, but since you have convienient
    short paragraphs and I'm going to get kind of long, I'm putting it down

    If my response is detailed and replying to specific statements, I always
    reply interleaved. I do not ever bottom post. You may say I am bottom
    posting right now, and that is true in a manner of speaking, but I see this
    as interleaved, with the only subtle difference being I have no further
    quoted text to reply to below.

    Bottom posting is the Scum of the Earth. One or two lines below several
    _pages_ of quoted text, that isn't even /trimmed/, is the lowest an Human
    Being can sink to. If you don't have the courtesy to trim a specific couple
    sentences or paragraph when bottom posting, don't reply at all!

  20. I'm one of the old-timers at age 57, but I use tradition (and old tools)
    only when there is a clear benefit. It is wise to be open to new ideas. I
    am top posting here to show how it can be appropriate. In this case, I can
    state my premise that it can be OK, illustrated by the example as follows:
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