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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by [email protected], Jun 25, 2013.

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  1. Guest

    Hey guys,

    I found this link online and I wanted to know if you knew anything about it or what you thought about it:

    As I'm fabricating PCB's frequently, it seems like it could greatly hasten the process.


  2. Ecnerwal

    Ecnerwal Guest

    That your "usenet drama class" grade was an F for showing up here just
    to spam a product you are probably associated with while pretending you
    were just curious and helpful. A very bad pretense. Crawl back under
    your bridge and stay there.
  3. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    On 6/24/2013 7:14 PM, wrote:

    Nico, why did you bother !!!
    "Pre-order Now"

    It's not even a real product !!

    And NO link to where you are located !!

    And Godaddy says your a fraud too:

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    14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
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  4. Ah you guys are quick.

    My move was not ill-intentioned. We're actually building the prototype right now and we wanted to know if people were interested in what we're spending time on. But just saying that kind of kills the purpose of non-biased feedback.

    The website doesn't ask for any specific information.

    Thank you for your feedback John. We realize multi-layer boards are highly used, but we have to focus on some basic functions for the moment.
  5. ...then why did you need to tell lies?

    However good your product might turn out to be, I don't suppose anyone
    here would buy it now they know they would have to deal with a liar
  6. Guest

    You might be able to fake/scam/cheat people with a $1499 PCB desktop machine, but no way to do an assembly machine for that kind of money and size. Real assembly machines are room size and your target customers are professions.

    You might have a better chance at kickstarter, until they kick you out.
  7. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    In this world, you will need a utube video of you machine in operation.

    A new video a week until it gets traction.

    Its a new world for small companies trying to bring an unkown product to

    Good Luck

  8. rickman

    rickman Guest

    So Nick, how do you like the welcome wagon?

    You might want to provide a little more info on what your machine does
    and what it doesn't do. Just saying PCB creation isn't saying a lot.

    Can your machine work with designs done on other CAD systems? I'm not
    real excited about using custom software to lay out boards. I have a
    CAD package I like. Can your device work with my Gerber files? If not,
    is there perhaps some other format that it would accept that my CAD
    package might be coaxed into producing.

    BTW, although I think you have learned what the folks here didn't like
    about your initial post, you can safely ignore their "attitude". They
    are like that with everyone, including each other.
  9. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    Actually there are several desktop assembly (pick & place) machines
    already on the market.
  10. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    That depends a bit on what kind of project your working on. It takes
    me about an hour to etch a board myself which is great for
    proof-of-concept circuits.
  11. Guest

    Well, i would like to see some links. The real machines can feed from multiple tubes and pans, with video imaging, sorting and picking. These machines are built for speed of manufacturing. Manual sorting and swapping feeders would slow them down significantly.

    But for prototyping, speeding up a few minutes would not make a whole lot of differences. I don't know how you guys do prototypes, but i solder a fewpart at a time, test and check back and forth. I don't think an assembly machine would be too helpful for prototyping.
  12. P E Schoen

    P E Schoen Guest

    "rickman" wrote in message
    Yes, it is best for newbies to lurk for awhile and then make an honest
    introductory post or contribute to discussions before trying to hawk a new
    product of questionable merits, with an often-used mechanism of deception
    that usually screams "scam" and "spam", and the response will be "scram".

    There is someone I know from another forum who might be able to use such a
    machine for short-run production of very high current PCBs where he wants 4
    oz to 10 oz copper. But it will involve large power components and heavy
    wire terminals that pretty much need thru-holes, and the lack of that
    ability is a serious limitation. For such high power boards, eyelets may be
    a good option to replace thru-holes, and even soldering on both sides would
    not be a serious drawback. These are kits for DIY high power DC-DC
    converters, power supplies, battery chargers, and motor controllers, and are
    sold in small volumes where mechanical "printing" or "routing" of PCBs may
    be ideal.

    So this "idea" may fit a small niche market, but is unlikely to succeed
    where there are many superior alternatives for both hobbyists and

  13. some of the cheap proto pcb shops makes stencils too.

    something like:

    10x10cm, 4layer, 10 pieces ~60$
    stencil 19x29cm, 20$

    a ~3600$ pick-n-place:

    a ~220$ reflow oven:

  14. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    AFAIK this is one:

    True. These low cost machines are intended for small series runs. At
    this moment these machines still need a lot of improvement but the
    idea is there.
  15. Guest

    It would be nice to know the dielectric constant of your insulating material and the conductivity of the 'ink' used?

    Does the 'ink' and/or dielectric cover uniformly to make a ground plane or are there any pinholes?

    Do I have to bake the board to have the 'ink' set permanently?

    How thick is the 'ink' printed and how much current can a 10-mil, 50-mil, etc.... line carry?

    Is the finished 'ink' durable/suitable enough to be used as an edge connector?

    Can I apply gold plating or is there some metallic interaction?

    Any electro migration or operation in humid environment problems?

    How planar is the finished surface?

    How accurate and repeatable is this printer?

    What are the costs of the materials ink, dielectric, substrate, did I miss anything?

    Best regards,
  16. josephkk

    josephkk Guest

    One more thing: you better support 0603 'cause it is getting hard to get
    much that is bigger. Support of 0402 and 0201 should be scheduled for
    about a year or two later as an upgrade.

  17. When I first posted this I was surprised by the intensity of the reactions. I understand now why some of you got angry and I am sorry about that.

    We knew it was easy to see that it's not a real website, but we wanted feedback on a possible 'product' and not the 'idea' that we are working on.

    Thanks for your feedback. The idea behind the project is to be able to print a prototype from your gerber files (generated from any CAD tool) before you send them to a manufacturer for a bigger volume.
  18. rickman

    rickman Guest

    I would second that vote. I would have *no* use for a tool that does
    not allow me to use 0603 components.
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