TheAirCar

[Robert Morien]

As I have previously requested: which particular air engines, define
"work" and then give us a spreadsheet on Efficiency (including initial
cost, maintenance, auxillary equipment, plus cost per hour and cost per
1K miles)

See the makers/researchers in France/USA/Korea/Australia/UK.[/QUOTE]

In other words you can provide no information/cites to back up your
claims

 

[Robert Morien]

A number of makers around the world disgaree with you and have them in
operation, with much research still going on. Maybe they know something you
do not.

Maybe they don't

If this French unit is on sale it could be hooked to a generator and have a
wind turbine charge up an air tank. The charge never degrades like a
battery's does.

Imagine an electric motor hooked to a generator and have a wind turbine
charge up the batteries. The charge never degrades like an air tank does.

A heat pump compressor on the end of one of these motors may be feasible too.

May?

 

[News]

As I have previously requested: which particular air engines, define
"work" and then give us a spreadsheet on Efficiency (including initial
cost, maintenance, auxillary equipment, plus cost per hour and cost per
1K miles)

See the makers/researchers in France/USA/Korea/Australia/UK.

In other words you can provide no information/cites to back up your
claims[/QUOTE]

I have not claimed anything. For info see: the makers/researchers in
France/USA/Korea/Australia/UK.

 

[News]

Maybe they don't


Imagine an electric motor hooked to a generator and have a wind turbine
charge up the batteries. The charge never degrades like an air tank does.

Unles there is a leak an air charge will stay there.

feasible too.

May?

OK, will be.

 

[Robert Morien]

I have not claimed anything. For info see: the makers/researchers in
France/USA/Korea/Australia/UK.

Okay, between your insistence that this is a valid power supply and your
question asking if I don't think it works, I'm assuming that you are
claiming it does work. In that vein I'd like to see some definitions:
"work" "efficiency" "cost effectiveness" etc. And then I'd like to see
some proof.

You make the "claims" you provide the proof. I won't do the research for
someone too lazy to back up their claims...there I've said it again.

 

[Robert Morien]

Unles there is a leak an air charge will stay there.

Meaningless drivel. The point is to store energy cost effectively, not
store it indefinately.

OK, will be.

to provide low quality heat at what cost?

 

[Vaughn]

...there I've said it again.

Will you ever tire of troll-feeding?


Vaughn

 

[Robert Morien]

Will you ever tire of troll-feeding?


Vaughn

I like it when they explode

 

[Vaughn]

I like it when they explode

They don't, you do.

 

[News]

Okay, between your insistence that this is a valid power supply and your
question asking if I don't think it works, I'm assuming that you are
claiming it does work.

I'm nor claiming anything. There is serious R&D going on. One makers sells
an advanced air engine in Australia. These units have many applications.

In that vein I'd like to see some definitions:
"work" "efficiency" "cost effectiveness" etc. And then I'd like to see
some proof.

You make the "claims" you provide the proof. I won't do the research for
someone too lazy to back up their claims...there I've said it again.

I have made no claims whatsoever, but I hear many people here saying they
are not feasible with little to no knowledge on the subject.

 

[News]

Meaningless drivel. The point is to store energy cost effectively, not
store it indefinately.

Exactly, and storing it as air in a cheap tank is about the most eco
friendly and cost effective.

to provide low quality heat at what cost?

Who cares. It is cheap and works and provides power and doesn't pollute.

 

[News]

I like it when they explode

The batteries?

 

[Robert Morien]

They don't, you do.

wow, that's incredibly pithy, poignant and paradoxical

 

[Robert Morien]

The batteries?

you run on batteries?

 

[Robert Morien]

Exactly, and storing it as air in a cheap tank is about the most eco
friendly and cost effective.

You could never store a meaningful amount of air (as in enough to
provide a dependable store of energy to power a car for one hour in
normal useage...something batteries could do) in a cheap air tank.

Who cares. It is cheap and works and provides power and doesn't pollute.

Saying it is cheap doesn't make it so. Show proof that it is
inexpensive. What powers the compressor, how much does the
compressor/power supply cost and how does it provide all this
energy/power without polluting?

 

[Robert Morien]

I'm nor claiming anything. There is serious R&D going on. One makers sells
an advanced air engine in Australia. These units have many applications.

You are claiming there is serious R&D going on. Prove it. You are
claiming that one maker sells an advanced air engine in Australia.
Define an advanced air engine and it's attributes and prove that one
maker sells it (for the use you are exposing.) Air engines (like any
engine) have many applications...prove that these applications aren't
specialty applications and are efficaciously useable for the
applications you have mentioned.

I have made no claims whatsoever, but I hear many people here saying they
are not feasible with little to no knowledge on the subject.

Strange, I hear you saying they are feasible and you demonstrate little
or no knowledge.

 

[NJB]

them like

Exactly, and storing it as air in a cheap tank is about the most eco
friendly and cost effective.


Who cares. It is cheap and works and provides power and doesn't pollute.

Really?
Does it exist outside your imagination? I don't think so.
Does it work outside your imagination? I see no evidence.
Does it provide power? You haven't built a working model, so how can you say
it provides power?
It doesn't pollute? The only true statement, in that something that doesn't
exist can't pollute.

Mr. News gets the prize for the highest rate of inaccurate statements per
word.

NJB

 

[News]

applications.

You are claiming there is serious
R&D going on. Prove it.

Go back on this thread and click on the links

You are claiming that one maker sells
an advanced air engine in Australia.

...and that they do.

Define an advanced air engine
and it's attributes

Go back on this thread and click on the links. All is there. You can even
order one if you want to.

Strange, I hear you saying they are feasible and you demonstrate little
or no knowledge.

I have not said they are feasible, I am saying those who are doing research
and producing them are. Only on this ng, which is full of theorisers, with
little to no practical experience, do we hear total dissent. I suppose you
think fuel cells don't work either.

What oil or auto company do you work for?

 

[News]

Really?
Does it exist outside your imagination? I don't think so.
Does it work outside your imagination? I see no evidence.
Does it provide power? You haven't built a working model, so how can you say
it provides power?
It doesn't pollute? The only true statement, in that something that doesn't
exist can't pollute.

My theories are as valid as anyone else's. here. And a lot more from what I
have read.

 

[N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)]

Dear News,

I have not said they are feasible, I am saying those who are doing
research
and producing them are. Only on this ng, which is full of theorisers,
with
little to no practical experience, do we hear total dissent. I suppose
you
think fuel cells don't work either.

What oil or auto company do you work for?

You have in fact stated many claims of feasibility, "News". You have
defended your little turf like a terrier. Actually Robert has shown a good
measure of restraint, and I have only seen him asking solid engineering
questions, and offering well founded engineering answers.

"News", it is really clear that you have an agenda. It is also equally
clear that you don't know what tripe your links point to. Like the story
of the little bird that did not fly towards the equator for the winter, not
everyone the sh*ts on you is your enemy. You could take Robert's answers
to heart...

David A. Smith

The little bird...
One winter, a little bird decided that things were pretty nice, and he was
not going to fly South for the winter (set in the Northern hemisphere).
All his friends flew away, and he continued to reap the gentle harvest,
with no competition. Things were great, until the storms came in, and he
could find no more food.

He heads off into the storm, but soon his wings start weakening, and he
falls from the sky, landing in the middle of a pasture. Half-frozen, the
little bird watches as a cow walks right over him, and drops a load right
on his head, covering him completely. He figures that this is the end...

Pretty soon, he notices that the manure is keeping him warm. He starts to
feel much better. So much better, in fact, he starts singing. A passing
cat hears the singing, digs the bird out of the manure, and eats it.

MORALS
- not everyone that sh*ts on you is your enemy,
- not everyone that gets you out of pile of sh*t is your friend
- if you are warm and happy in a pile of sh*t, keep your mouth shut.