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  1. Most everyone has a screwdriver or two laying around the house, but not
    everyone has a minimum collection stored in a tool box. If you know a
    young person graduating from high school, a single relative, or even
    yourself, a tool box with a minimum complement of tools may be the perfect
    gift.

    Based on my own experience, the BASIC TOOL BOX should include:

    A plastic or metal box such as the 13² plastic box from Walmart or the 14²
    plastic box from Lowes. The box should have a secure latch that won¹t
    come open when picked up.

    #1 Philips screwdriver

    #2 Philips screwdriver

    1/8² Flat blade screwdriver

    1/4² Flat blade screwdriver

    Standard pair of slip-joint pliers with insulated handle

    Diagonal cutters with insulated handle

    Long nose pliers with side cutter and insulated handle

    Small claw hammer such as Sears 3805 - 7 oz.

    Depending on your knowledge of the individual¹s needs and the size of the
    box, additional items might include:

    Full-size hammer

    Crowbar or pry-lever

    Flashlight

    Tire pressure gauge(s)

    Pocket knife & sharpening stone

    Soldering iron & solder & soldering braid

    Digital multimeter

    Set of nut drivers

    Set of Allen wrenches

    Set of Torx drivers

    You get the idea!

    73, Fred, K4DII
     
  2. Highland Ham

    Highland Ham Guest

    Based on my own experience, the BASIC TOOL BOX should include:
    ==================================
    What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of
    screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word)
    for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly.

    Frank , GM0CSZ / KN6WH

    PS Most screws used in the UK are now of the Posidrive type.
     
  3. jakdedert

    jakdedert Guest

    Dunno why it didn't occur to me...thankfully it 'did' occur to my wife:
    Bought almost the exact (above) setup for my prospective son-in-law
    for Christmas. He's mechanically dis-inclined. We're gonna fix that.
    Can't have a s-in-l who can't fix stuff....

    jak
     
  4. Jerry G.

    Jerry G. Guest

    And... You plan to work on SMD circuit boards with this!!!


    Jerry G.
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  5. Jerry G.

    Jerry G. Guest

    And... You plan to work on SMD circuit boards with this!!!


    Jerry G.
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  6. Frank-

    I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard
    counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of
    them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter.

    Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used.

    Fred
     

  7. I see that you still have reading comprehension problems, Jerry.
    Anyway, no one in their right mind would try to cram a good SMD rework
    station into any toobox. There is no way I would let anyone shove a
    stereo microscope into a toolbox.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  8. Mr Fed UP

    Mr Fed UP Guest

    Heh heh dont forget the asprin and $50 for the headache and one
    tool you'll always have to go get for each job. And a 6" or 8"
    knuckle buistin adjustable wrench. LOL

    Good luck

    K4TWO Gary
     
  9. Roy Lewallen

    Roy Lewallen Guest

    I'd consider looking for some other tool dealers to do business with.
    Pozidriv (a registered trademark of Phillips Screw Co.) screws and
    drivers are very common, sold by just about every tool company from
    Snap-on through Stanley to Sears.

    Tektronix used Pozidriv screws exclusively for many years, until they
    converted over to Torx. A standard Phillips bit fits poorly in a
    Pozidriv screw, making it really easy to chew up the screw with this
    combination. Any decent toolbox should include some Pozidriv drivers or
    bits.

    Roy Lewallen, W7EL
     

  10. Don't forget a 4" pipe wrench for those tight spots! It has been a
    real life saver to remove broken studs and broken pieces of bolts. I
    have one made by Rigid.

    BTW, you won't bust your knuckles if you buy a real wrench. 8" is too
    short to get a good grip on things. I have a 12" and a 14" "New Britain"
    adjustable, along with a 4" Xcelite in my electronics tools.

    The only tools I usually have to buy these days are new ones to
    replace what walks away. :(

    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  11. Silfax

    Silfax Guest

    <snip a bunch of good stuff>

    6" and 12" adjustable wench
    12' tape measure (25' would be better)
    mechanical pencil, extra leads and a small notepad
     
  12. Silfax

    Silfax Guest

    oops I meant wrench, although a flexible wench might not be a bad idea
    either (but she should be bigger than 12 inches....)
     
  13. jakdedert

    jakdedert Guest

    A common problem is to turn the adjustable wrench around the *wrong
    way*! I've had people argue that there is no wrong orientation for the
    common 'C' (Crescent) wrench, but there most certainly is. Do it wrong
    and you'll be fine 75% of the time; but that one time when you need it
    to really bite--and you do it wrong--*you* are the one who gets bitten.
    Boy Howdy! I recently moved my office/shop and salvaged the buildings
    on the property at the same time. I'm still trying to find all my tools....

    jak
     
  14. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    Roy,

    How well does it work the other way around -- using Pozidriv screwdrivers on
    "regular old" Phillips-head screws?
     


  15. Yes, most people seem to use it backwards where the stress is against
    the front of the movable jaw, rather than the back where its supposed to
    be. It doesn't matter if the item is fairly loose, but when you really
    need the torque, it needs to be turned the right way. Maybe they need
    to cast notches for your fingers to show people the right way to use it!
    ;-)


    I'm trying to but my shop back together. I haven't really worked in
    the shop since the middle of 2001, right before I got sick and lost my
    job. Now, its been five years and two years of hurricanes that made the
    mess even worse. Some squirrels nested in the building and chewed the
    cords off of everything in sight. I had to put rat poison in there to
    kill them all. I'm missing two cordless drills, two surface grinders
    and enough hand tools to fill a couple large toolboxes. Since I no
    longer do any work away from home I have started hanging what is left on
    pegboard over the different workbenches.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  16. Bill Turner

    Bill Turner Guest

    ORIGINAL MESSAGE:



    *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

    The flutes on a Phillips bit are tapered; on a Pozidrive they are
    parallel. In many cases you can use either bit on the other, but if
    available, use the correct one.

    A Phillips bit can "lever" itself out due to the taper, where a
    Pozidrive will not.

    Bill, W6WRT
    ex Tektronix employee
     
  17. Roy Lewallen

    Roy Lewallen Guest

    In my experience, it works better than using a Phillips driver on a
    Pozidriv screw. But it still doesn't fit really well.

    Roy Lewallen
     

  18. OK Guys! I've done some more checking, and still can't find a store that
    sells Posidrive or Pozidrive. I have one lead to a specialty tool store
    across the state, but the local Ace, Sears and Lowes don't carry either
    the screws or the drivers.

    I can see where the Posidrive may be used in some electronic equipment,
    but all of the screws in the hinges in my house, as well as the screws
    holding the locks on the doors, are definitely Phillips. Are Posidrive
    screws used for those applications in other countries?

    I can see now that my original list should have stopped without the
    additional items. The purpose was to define a really BASIC set of tools
    for use around the home!

    Fred
     
  19. Roy Lewallen

    Roy Lewallen Guest

    There's sure no problem finding mail order sources:

    http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?TYPE=CATEGORY&CATEGORY=HT+PZDRV+AND+MULTI+SDRVRS
    http://www.vermontamerican.com/products/subcategorybrowse.htm?G=157721
    http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/search_keyword.asp?keyword=POZIDRIV
    http://www.aaronsscrewdrivers.com/PowerBits.htm
    http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/prod...ical=TOOL&pid=00973645000&subcat=Screwdrivers
    The real advantage of Pozidriv is in applications where something is
    mass produced with the screws put in by power drivers, so they're fairly
    common in manufactured goods. I was really directing my earlier comment
    that every toolbox should have some Posidriv bits or drivers to people
    doing any kind of work on electronic equipment or other kinds of
    manufactured goods. Posidriv tools probably wouldn't be of much use for
    most household repairs, so wouldn't be appropriate for a very basic
    household tool box. The same goes for Torx.

    You can identify Pozidriv screws by a ding in between the slots. There's
    a good picture at http://www.aaronsscrewdrivers.com/PowerBits.htm.

    Roy Lewallen, W7EL
     
  20. Dave Platt

    Dave Platt Guest

    I haven't seen complete Pozidrive drivers anywhere around here, but
    Orchard Supply (local hardware outlet) has Pozidrive bits in several
    sizes, which will go into the usual magnetic-hex-socket driver
    handles. In fact, just yesterday I glanced over their $2.99 "17 bits
    in a small carrying case" assortment by the cash register, and found
    that it contains 3 Phillips and 3 similarly-sized Pozidrive bits.
     
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