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John Fields
- Jan 1, 1970
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Except when it doesn't suffice. Sometimes its a naive view in that some
people when told that will believe it to be a fact when its not. Just like
ohms law is not a fact. Its a law that breaks down under certain conditions.
When people are just learning about these things they tend to be reluctant
to question. So I think it does everyone better if instead of trying to
state things as fact they are stated in the right context. (the context of
the right level of approximation for the job)
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That's right. And telling a newbie more than he needs to know at
that moment is a disservice to him. There's a reason why college
level material isn't presented to kindergarten students, you know.
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But the OP did ask for such and explination and I tried my best.
"or if it's because of the very rough
surface (microscopically-speaking) of the switch contacts, were the metal
molecules grinds (and possibly flexes) together, during switch activation?
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since he brings in this microscopic level I can only assume he wants a
corresponding answer in the microscopic.
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I disagree. What he was asking about was the physical mechanism
which is responsible for bounce, not what was ultimately responsible
for the physical mechanism.
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(wether it is relvant to engineers is irrelevant to me.
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It seems to me that all that's relevant to you is you.
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He ased a question and I would answer it in his context
the best I can.
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No, you answered it in what you _thought_ was his context.
To be sure you would have had to post and ask him before replying.
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Its not my job to question his reasons why he wants to know
this as I assume he has a better understand of his motivations than me. )
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Without having asked him, specifically, what he wanted to know, your
post may have been nothing but gibberish to him.
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Because when you *tell* someone they might think that that is the answer and
only answer.
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You're telling me that, and if that's supposed to be fact, then
according to you I should take what you claim to be fact with a
grain of salt, no?
Don't be absurd.
Telling someone the world is flat in places is perfectly legitimate.
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Then this propagates arrogance. Those people then grow up tell
someone else the "fact" and everyone thinks its a fact. Then comes along
some guy that questions it and he's jumped on by everyone else.
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Some guy like you, who knows for sure that someone who was asking
about contact bounce wanted, really, to delve into QM, huh?
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Its sorta
like how some laws are. Someone creates a law for a specific reason and
then many years down the line the reasons are forgotten and the law is
enforced even though its original reason for existing makes it invalid. But
it is enforced because people cannot think for themselfs(most people). They
don't question authority because they are afraid. To many people think facts
are a popularity contest. Life just doesn't work that way.
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Then there are people who question everything; not because they're
searching for the truth, but because they're desperately seeking to
be noticed...
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Again, the issues I tend to have with you guys is that you seem to think
that what you think are facts must be facts for everyone else. This is not
the cause and I think you guys are smart enough to really understand that
but its just easier to act like everyone has the same set of facts. But the
point is that just because you believe something as fact doesn't mean you
should state it as fact to someone else.
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Is that a fact?
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This, to me, is exactly what you guys try and
do. You force feed people your "facts" when in reality they are not facts at
all(usually). Actually nothing is fact so we shouldn't force feed anything
to anyone else.
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But you're trying to force-feed me the "fact" that nothing is fact.
Are you so logically immature that you can't see that hypocrisy?
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We present the evidence and let the other person decide. If
they come to a different conclusion then so be it. Its not our job to get
everyone else to believe what we believe.
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Not true. You want me to believe that what you told the OP was
right and what I told him was wrong, and you also want the OP to
believe your version of what you think he asked for.
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So true, I might be guilty of it and sometimes I am guilty of the exact same
things you guys do. I have no problems admitting it. Its not right but
sometimes it a necessary evil.
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What a pompous ass you are!
You sit there, playing God, saying that we're all so bad but that on
occasion even the GREAT YOU succumbs to the evils we do.
**** you.
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[/QUOTE]So sure, I don't know how to
uncook an egg. But I don't know how to do a lot of things but that should
not stop me from trying to learn.
Maybe. That is not my goal as I'm just trying to express my point of view.[/QUOTE]
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OK, but more than just trying to express it, it sounds like you're
saying your view is the "right" view and everyone else's is wrong
unless you agree with it.
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Sure. I cannot change that. I hope that you understand that it is not as
productive, atleast I hope you would reason to that because I believe the
alternative is much better.
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The alternative you're proposing is falling into step with you, and
while that might be better for you, it certainly wouldn't be better
for me.
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We can learn a lot from history and while
history is not always right it does help a lot.
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LOL, "History is not always right?"
Don't you mean "The way history is presented is not always right?"
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I cannot make you do
anything but only offer evidence that its probably not a good idea to think
like that.
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Evidence? Surely you mean 'opinion.'
And surely because it's contrary to the way you'd have me think? I
don't live my life based upon whether what you think I do is right
or wrong, I live it to please myself and do what I think is right.
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The evidence simply might be wrong or wrong to you(some stuff is
just relative and we can't escape it).
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Everything is relative, and that's absolutely true.
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No, not necessarily. I do see your point but if I say someone is wrong its
more "I think your wrong, please explain why."
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That makes no sense, since it puts the onus on whoever you say is
wrong to explain why you think they're wrong.
That's _your_ job, not theirs.
But, while we're at it, let's explore why you can't do something as
simple as avoiding spelling and grammar faux pas while pretending to
grander vistas.
You do know your writing is full of avoidable mistakes, no?
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Its not as polite to just say
"Your wrong" and I try not to say it like that. What I really mean is
"EXPLAIN WHY!!".
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Then you should say something which reflects what you mean instead
of expecting your readers to read your mind.
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Why do I say it like I do? Because if I say "Your wrong"
then most people that actually understand why they think they are right are
going to present the evidence if they want to explain.
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Why would they want to? So far you've not proven that your way is
the better way, all you've done is ask for partners in suicide.
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Atleast thats what I do.
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Uh Huh...
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I also know that if people get angry when they are told they are wrong
then it probably means that they don't really know why they believe what
they do. (else why get angry. If a 2 yr old kid comes up to you and says
"Your stupid. The earth is flat!" do you get mad and punch the kid in the
face? I would hope not.)
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You're trying to cast yourself as the innocent 2 year old kid
asking innocent questions while also trying to cast yourself as a
sage.
You're neither.
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But this isn't a chess game.
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Right. It's a different kind of game
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We are not trying to play king of the mountain.
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We aren't?
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We are hear to learn, no?
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And to teach, and to troll, and to do anything else we want to.
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Several of the problems I have had with "you guys" is that I have asked a
question about something and I was told something that may or may not have
been true. I have had contradicting sources and so I ask you to explain your
reasoning and evidence and instead I get jumped on. When that happens I do
not like it at all because now that means I will not learn anything about it
except by going somewhere else. It also seems to point that either someone
doesn't want to share there knowledge(they only want to dictate) or they
don't have the knowledge(so they pretend). In either cause it means I will
not learn anything from them any farther.
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It could also mean that you've got an attitude and you're so firmly
entrenched in your way of thinking and you have such a high opinion
of yourself that you really don't want to hear any contradictions
from mere mortals like us and would fight to the death to keep from
having to believe that we proved you were wrong.
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I think I'd be more of the chopped liver than you guys. I think you guys are
normal, probably pretty intelligent people but have lived in a hostil
enviroment that makes you a little to rough for me.
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Then stop whining and either go away or plonk whoever offends you,
or learn to take your lumps. This is USENET, and if you're that
thin-skinned it may not be the place for you.
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I'm like a shark and I
can smell a drop ego a mile away. Sometimes I do over react and sometimes I
do let my own ego take control. This is not my goal. I'm only human just
like you guys. But what I do know is that when things become childish that
nothing important will probably come out of it. I understand that you want
to be treated with respect and that you have worked hard to learn the things
you have but you have to understand that I'm not the type of person that
takes anyone elses logic or knowledge on faith(even if its at my own
perile). I do this because I like to learn for my self. Just don't take it
the wrong way. If I sound like a kid sometimes its because maybe I am.