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I am trying to find the website of the guy out in the desert who is
totally self sufficient .
can anyone help ?
totally self sufficient .
can anyone help ?
I am trying to find the website of the guy out in the desert who is
totally self sufficient .
can anyone help ?
I am trying to find the website of the guy out in the desert who is
totally self sufficient .
can anyone help ?
Forget it. He pulled his site after people pointed out that his numbers
did not add up. Pity too, as he has an interesting system.
The sad thing
is that he seemed to have no idea what he had done or what he ran from
the system.
Having said this brace yourself for his tirade.
Hi Wayne glad to see you are still alive and well. Gee! 100F, almost as
hot as it gets here. Why did you build a house that requires AC?
wmbjk said:Because we just didn't know that we could have used your famous
spreadsheet to do our planning.
If we had, there's no doubt that the
house be cool in summer, warm in winter, and that champagne would flow
from the faucets, all on a kWhr a day.
Plus I coulda' been a grumpy
old fart
with nothing better to do than criticize others. Anyway, life
is full of wasted opportunities,
then you rot.
Good for you gettin' a
head start on that last part.
Between my work and my study I don't have time to be a grumpy old fart
rotting away in selfpity over lifes hard knocks.
Forget it. He pulled his site after people pointed out that his numbers
did not add up.
Pity too, as he has an interesting system. The sad thing
is that he seemed to have no idea what he had done or what he ran from
the system.
wmbjk said:How many posts have you written about that web site? 200? 300?
I suppose the time you spend on them is part of your "work and study"?
LOL My mistake calling you a grumpy old fart. Obsessed nitwit then.
Be sure to post the date of the five-year anniversary of my living in
your head rent-free.
I'll hoist a beer and think of you.
Chris Torek said:No, he "pulled his site" (as you put it) after he made a promise
to do so if anyone agreed with you. As a prank, someone else *did*
agree with you, and he honored his committment.
In any case, it would be awfully hard for "his numbers" to "add
up" when he HAD NO SUCH NUMBERS ON THE SITE.
I cannot speak for
Wayne, but I believe the reason he did not give generation and
usage numbers is that he believed his usage would not match most
other peoples' usages in any practical way, so that any numbers he
gave would be useless.
Also, his site is unique -- there are few
places anywhere else in the US, at least, that have his combination
of sun and wind patterns -- so his generation would be unlikely to
match other peoples', either.
(Even being within a few miles of
his place would not do it -- he is on a ridge above a valley, near
but not at the top, with special wind and rain channeling
characteristics. This avoids the need for a deep well, too, reducing
power loads for water-pumping.)
I have *been* to his house. It works.
He *does* monitor the state
of charge of the batteries, etc., and if the system is overproducing
power (which does happen -- it was going on when I was there, on
a bright sunny day with low wind) he will do laundry or run other
relatively energy-intensive applications "opportunistically". If
the system is a little low, he will put off such chores. Since
the weather in his area is pretty steady and predictable, he almost
never has to put off such chores more than a few days.
It is a very nice house, too, except that he believed the guys who
did the concrete for the floor base, and they were wrong about the
ground settling, so that the slab has cracks. (Not exactly
surprising, and most concrete slabs wind up with cracks eventually
anyway -- at least in areas with these kinds of soils -- but if he
had followed his instincts instead of believing the contractor, he
might have gone a few more years before the first split.)
(I also think he's a bit nuts for using an electric stove instead
of propane, but it does save on propane delivery. But cooking on
electric, ugh. It is not the extra power load that bothers me --
well, there is a reason the phrase is "now we're cooking with gas"
instead of "now we're cooking with electricity". Yes, after
a bit of practice one can sautee on electric, but gas is just *so*
much nicer.)
The system works, that makes
it of interest.
But, why design a house that requires AC?
Wayne would have people believe that I am a gibbering idiot. But the
house I designed does not require AC. 50 degrees C is not unheard of in
this part of the world and 45 C is common.
Design. This is the point. His design by guess ment that he had to
double the size of his solar array and trebel the wind collection to
make it work.
.... said:P.S. Why did you design a house to need AC?
Yes I too prefer to cook on gas. But the use of a micro wave makes
sense. But my point remains. An interesting system that could be
presented in such a way as to be an educational web site that anyone who
was interested in solar power should read.
But no. In a childish fit of pique he took his bat and ball and ran away.
Why not just publish your own website? You could write it in any
manner you prefer. You could make it as educational and well
documented as you like. If you were really nice to the fellow,
you could even get information from him and document his house
and systems on your website in a manner to your liking.
Why play a game you can't win?
Anthony Matonak said:George Ghio wrote:
...
Why not just publish your own website? You could write it in any
manner you prefer. You could make it as educational and well
documented as you like. If you were really nice to the fellow,
you could even get information from him and document his house
and systems on your website in a manner to your liking.
Why play a game you can't win?
Anthony
Plus, he doesn't know how to build a web site.
wmbjk said:That's what I used to think. But I found out that sharing the info
meant that an obsessed crackpot would believe he had a right to
dictate the site content.
I suppose you don't "require" AC in your car either? That's what many
people in this area claim, but they're gibbering idiots....
This time of year, our temps are often 100F for most of 14 hours, and
80F for most of the other 10. It's kinda' tough to keep it under 80
indoors without an external supplement, when the average is 90+. Yet
you've done it with a high temp of 122F! OK, let's see the numbers for
how you accomplished that. I'm guessing that either 1. you have a huge
difference in day and night temps (which means your climate is *not*
the same as ours, or 2. that you don't "require" AC in the same way
that you don't "require" water pressure, or electricity over a few
hundred Watts without starting a generator, or 3. that "numbers" will
suddenly become a whole lot less important to you, or 4. that you are
about to make the biggest mess of a heat loss computation in the
history of Usenet.
Our original plan was for 900-1200W of Air 303s, 1200W of PV, and
three ground source heat pumps. Our current setup is 1300W (nameplate,
we're at 4500' ASL) of wind, 2000W PV, and three ground source heat
pumps. Additional loads are DSL (25W 24-7), DVR (30W 24-7) 4DTV (30 W
24-7), much more computer time than we could have imagined, and a
second desktop computer (130W about 2 hours per day). Not to mention a
bunch of wall warts we thought we wouldn't be able to accommodate, but
have managed quite well anyway. So we've added about 3kWhrs (daily) of
load, and 5kWhrs of supply over what we planned for. Now don't let the
fact that some of the additional loads didn't even exist at the time
we first built the system, stop you from claiming that we should have
"designed" for them. And for sure don't forget to claim that we should
have known exactly what we were going to get out of the wind power.
BTW, you previously wrote that there wasn't anything wrong with the
design, only the web site. Which is... er, was it?
Anthony Matonak said:George Ghio wrote:
Why not? AC isn't evil or wrong in itself. It's quite likely that
installing an AC and the equipment to power it was cheaper and better
than any of the alternatives. Why spend more to get something that
isn't as good?
Anthony