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Dan Bloomquist

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
An interesting casualty of the rush to biofuels ! Well ... if the
Americans WILL insist on using food grade product to make it.

Yea, they should do like the Brits and exploit the poorest of India.

But as the numbers have shown in the past, biofuels are like pissing
into the wind.
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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An interesting casualty of the rush to biofuels ! Well ... if the
Americans WILL insist on using food grade product to make it.

Graham

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A Pleasant Winter Solstice to All

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RST Engineering \(jw\)

Jan 1, 1970
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And I still maintain that the country that learns how to jam two hydrogens
together to make a helium in a controlled environment will be richer than a
million oil wells pumping 24/7 would be.

Jim
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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This thread is about electric cars, not your absurd obsession with peak oil.

If you want to talk about peak oil start your own thread.

"your own thread"?

Whose thread is this one?
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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And I still maintain that the country that learns how to jam two hydrogens
together to make a helium in a controlled environment will be richer than a
million oil wells pumping 24/7 would be.

Jim

France is pushing for the first 3He/fusion reactor by 2012, which is
at least taking humanity and our badly failing environment in the
right direction, with or w/o hydrogen. Japan is into making those sub-
megawatt or pocket nuclear reactors available as of 2009.

At least outside of anything US, those two forms of relatively clean
energy seems doable. All we need is more affordable yellowcake and a
few spare tonnes of 3He, either of which can be derived from our
extremely nearby moon, that which China is doing most of the required
R&D on our behalf.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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This is usenet. If you don't like my posts, shut up. But playing the cop
is pretty stupid.

You never answer my questions if they don't suit your agenda......

Neither did their Hitler, and Eeyore has lots more hidden agendas and/
or ulterior motives than any other Hitler minion can shake his fist
full of flaming fossil sticks at.
- Brad Guth
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Yea, they should do like the Brits and exploit the poorest of India.

But as the numbers have shown in the past, biofuels are like pissing
into the wind.

But pissing of our hard earned loot into the wind is pretty much
exactly what these rusemasters of big-energy do best.
- Brad Guth
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
62.4F here now.



How does a couple of hundred watts keep even one room warm with sub-zero
outside temps ? Do you have no outside walls ?

Only one in the room I'm working.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
It needs far more than a couple of hundred watts to heat a room!

Why do you think the most popular central heating boiler size is 23kW ?

Graahm

Because most people like their whole house at a tropical 85 degF?
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
France is pushing for the first 3He/fusion reactor by 2012, which is
at least taking humanity and our badly failing environment in the
right direction, with or w/o hydrogen. Japan is into making those sub-
megawatt or pocket nuclear reactors available as of 2009.
Don't hold your breath on any of that.
Electricity from fusion (if it happens at all) will make the most
expensive PV seem cheap.
 
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Angelo Campanella

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
How tiny ? A 500cc diesel should easily be good for 20kW. That'll charge the
bechmark 30kWh battery (wll provide about 100 mi range) in just under 2 hours.

Exellent thinking! By golly there's the 2020 BushMobile!

Angelo Campanella
 
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Eric Gisin

Jan 1, 1970
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Dan Bloomquist said:
So, we assume a new paradigm of EVs many decades down the road and
assume all energy will still come from today's sources.


If the point is to mitigate the impact of peak oil, what is your the point?

Nobody mentioned peak oil in this thread. That's your doomday cult.
As crude prices rise, people are buying fuel efficient vehicles.
If they also go their first 100km on batteries, fuel usage drops further.
 
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Martin Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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I find that very unlikely. The average central heating boiler is rated at 23kW
(80,000 BTU/hr). 8kWh represents merely about 20 minutes use at full blast!

Most of which is needed for water heating. Modern standards of house
insulation together with double glazing as standard make a big
difference to space heating requirements. Air itself doesn't take that
much heating. And it is possible for a price to insulate so well that
waste heat from appliances can make a real contribution. Both my big
PCs on at once and my office is noticeably warmer and similarly in the
kitchen with appliance heat.
About the smallest size you can get is a nominal 50,000 BTU/hr (14.6 kW). This
one modulates between 30 and 49,800 BTU/hr (8.8 kW - 14.6 kW)http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BOILER-IDEAL-ICOS-HE15-CONDENSING-HEATING-GAS-B...

More so that it can get things going in a sensible amount of time. I
expect smaller units will gradually become more common as building
insulation standards are improved. It has still got to be able to
replenish a hot water tank in an acceptable period of time though
(although on demand thermostatic flash water heaters may be a better
solution).
Yes it does need some more. Being Victorian era it doesn't have cavity walls of
course.

Likewise, but my heating usage is much lower than yours. I presume
that most of this difference comes from having double glazing and a
lot of insulation in all the right places. With solid walls it is
worthwhile putting the foil backed with polystyrene behind all the
radiators (esp on any outside walls) - it makes a big difference to
losses.

Incidentally RS sell packs of stick on LCD thermometers (intended for
electronics use) which are very handy for determining how effective
additional insulation is so you can fine tune things experimentally.
Bearing in mind I'm using the place 24/7 - it's only ~ an average use of 2kW. It
represents a cost using gas of  £60 pcm which is less than most homes AIUI. But
then I'm not heating every room.
And we have had sub-zero temps recently. You know, Global Warming and all that.
:~)

It is called winter. The sun is very low in the sky when it deigns to
appear at all. What is amazing is that it is so mild here in the UK at
latitude 54.5N. We have to thank the Atlantic Conveyor aka Gulf Stream
for that.

Regards,
Martin Brown
 
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